13-year old kid attempts to rape mother & ends up killing her for taking away Call of

[Alex_Spider]

I was just remarking on an observation regarding media coverage of events like this in the US.

On the rare occasion a non-white guy shoots people or blows stuff up, people are looking to see if they are Jihadists or Islamists or whatever term is en vogue. There is talk about monitoring Muslims and watching Mosques for potential terrorists.

But when a white guy shoots or blows stuff up, nobody calls for profiling their religion, generally Christian, or putting FBI agents in Churches. They talk about how "crazy" the person is. It's about the individual and not the community.

Which is reversed for the non-white people, where the community or the entire religion that is the problem and it is never just the individual that is to blame.

That's what I am talking about.

You can blame the media for that and the propaganda of the west world that somehow only people of the Islamic relegion can be fanatics and extremists

 

[Alex_Spider]

So you are suggesting that if the kid was muslim, the media would be profiling a 13 year old kid who attempted to rape his mother and shoot her in the face as a terrorist??? I can't even fathom how any credible source would attempt to put two and two together in this instance.

I agree with bombs in public targeting innocent victims. That has been a labeled as a terrorist act associated with radical Islamic groups and other religious extremists. It just doesn't apply to what we are talking about here, so I don't see why you feel you had to make an irrelevant connection here. Reigion or ethnicity clearly has NOTHING to do with a case like this. And if you think it does or warrants a discussion, find me any credible source that is spinning it that way?

Good point but I think he meant it in a more general way regarding these kind of incidents like killing sprees and terrorist bombings.

 

[Mr.M]

I don't even think the Boston bombers were labeled as terrorists because of their religious affiliations. It was initially speculated that a radicalized Islamic terror cell could have been involved, notably because of the similarities to other cases in the past. The terrorist monicker is more associated with the types of actions and the patterns of those individuals. People who target mass innocent lives in public places with bombs and explosives tend to claim that title. Basically, premeditated bombs=terrorist. Mass shooters=crazed individuals. It's not so cut and dry, but that's how the media typically categorizes it these days. Muslims that utilize bombs usually compound the terrorist classification, I'll give you that. If you say, replaced the Colorado shooter with a Muslim kid, would CNN be calling the kid a terrorist? Well, did he still have his hair dyed orange and refer to himself the Joker? You have to look at all the facts.

 

[Teelie]

I alluded to it myself earlier that religion isn't a practical method of determining someone's motive in but I do roll my eyes when a mass attack (shooting, bombing, etc) occurs and the first thing out of the media is "religiously motivated."

There are plenty of reasons (not defensible, obviously) for someone to go off and commit one of these acts and only occasionally is it related to religion. Even Al Qaeda is more against their perception of Western culture and civilization than it is about some religious edict. They just use that as a recruiting tool and justification for their actions.

It's too easy to target someone who is different and justify those differences as an excuse to crucify them (literally as it once happened).

 

[Pink Ranger]

I was just remarking on an observation regarding media coverage of events like this in the US.

On the rare occasion a non-white guy shoots people or blows stuff up, people are looking to see if they are Jihadists or Islamists or whatever term is en vogue. There is talk about monitoring Muslims and watching Mosques for potential terrorists.

But when a white guy shoots or blows stuff up, nobody calls for profiling their religion, generally Christian, or putting FBI agents in Churches. They talk about how "crazy" the person is. It's about the individual and not the community.

Which is reversed for the non-white people, where the community or the entire religion that is the problem and it is never just the individual that is to blame.

That's what I am talking about.

The way you chose to express your point initially was a bit strange, but otherwise I agree with you 100%.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Videogames and internet porn, irresponsible parents, temperamental child with access to weapons = this.

 

[Siby]

The way you chose to express your point initially was a bit strange, but otherwise I agree with you 100%.

I agree, I was doing it in a sarcastic way initially to point out the bias of the media against Islam.

Mr. M, you are correct and I apologize for the unconnected discussion of my thoughts to this topic. Other posters were throwing in guns and video games to blame so I thought to throw in religion into the bonfire of topics to blame also.

 

[Baramos]

What religion is he? The media needs to look deeper into his faith and place of worship to see if a link to violent behavior can be established. I'm sure the experts will see trends in the violent acts committed by individuals based on race, gender, religion, and weapons used. Trends such as "whites", males, Christians or Muslims (irregardless of actual religious teachings).

I think it is myopic to give the kid a pass by saying he has psychological problems.

The only trend you would see if you studied that is that most murders are committed by males, and that most murders are committed with guns (in the U.S., and handguns, not necessarily rifles). His race or religion is going to have a null effect on it, statistically. There is no statistical correlation with violence based on either of those things.

EDIT: Oh, you were being facetious?

ANOTHER EDIT: Regarding his access to a .22: I think when I was 11 I was still shooting a BB gun, though I had used a .22 with supervision at that point. Probably not until I was 14 or 15 did I have regular access to a .22. And I only ever shot tin cans with it, anyway (not willing to hunt deer because I didn't want to skin them--this should be a cardinal rule of hunting, by the way, that you should only hunt what you are willing to gut yourself, but that's a totally off-topic discussion for another day).

I think people tend to let kids have .22s at too young an age. They don't realize that .22s are a deadly weapon. They might be slightly less deadly than a .270 or a 30.6 but they are still deadly weapons. Many many people have been killed with .22s. If you can kill a deer with it, you can kill a human. My father's first deer, many many years ago, when he was 12? .22 to the brain pan, right under the antlers. Felled instantly.

Like there was another story about a five year old shooting his sister with a .22. A five year old should never even touch a .22. That's completely and utterly inane and you can't make some claim about it being part of your "culture". I grew up in rural Pennsylvania. Everyone hunts and learns to hunt. My father never let me even touch a .22 until I was nine years old.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

Videogames and internet porn, irresponsible parents, temperamental child with access to weapons = this.

.........Internet porn? Why?

 

[Kevin Smith]

.........Internet porn? Why?

Where else does a kid get the idea to rape his own mother? Incest is a big theme of internet porn. Mix all this together in a young mind and a young mind's subconscious, a mind that doesn't know how to deal with the violence and perversion, and you have a nice destructive little cocktail.

This kid lives online it sounds like, I don't question even for a minute that his acts weren't even slightly "inspired".

 

[Ant-manic]

Where else does a kid get the idea to rape his own mother? Incest is a big theme of internet porn.

maybe he was a greek mythology buff.

 

[Anubis]

Where else does a kid get the idea to rape his own mother? Incest is a big theme of internet porn. Mix all this together in a young mind and a young mind's subconscious, a mind that doesn't know how to deal with the violence and perversion, and you have a nice destructive little cocktail.

This kid lives online it sounds like, I don't question even for a minute that his acts weren't even slightly "inspired".

What internet porn is YOU watchin'?

 

[Alex_Spider]

Where else does a kid get the idea to rape his own mother? Incest is a big theme of internet porn. Mix all this together in a young mind and a young mind's subconscious, a mind that doesn't know how to deal with the violence and perversion, and you have a nice destructive little cocktail.

This kid lives online it sounds like, I don't question even for a minute that his acts weren't even slightly "inspired".

I agree with this somewhat. Internet is not consisted only of soft or "educational" porn. There is some horrendous images and stuff out there that goes beyond the level of disgusting and pervert and is not pretty to look at all.

If a little child stumbles upon those graphic images it clearly will affect his psyche in a bad way. If only there was a way to erase every extreme porn imagery from the net. But I guess the state priorities is to go after those pesky pirates and shut 'em down like that mega upload poor guy and the torrent download shares.

Pervert and graphic imagery is OK, but sharing movies and music like we did back with the cassette is a major crime.

 

[CashforStash]

(Insert post/joke about leaving earth because humans suck)

 

[Kevin Smith]

maybe he was a greek mythology buff.

Which just goes to show you how disgusting humans are, even that far back, to imagine something so perverse.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Which just goes to show you how disgusting humans are, even that far back, to imagine something so perverse.

lol. I don't think there is such a thing like raping your own mother in greek or any other mythology. Orgies with wine and music yes, Gods climbing down from Olympus to seduce young virgin girls, yes. And in general plenty of sex allegories. Those were a common thing in Greek mythology, because the Olympian Gods had human traits and wishes instead of the other way around.

 

[Teelie]

The Egyptians were big on incest. The entire royal line was nothing but it at one point. The Greek gods were similarly riddled with it. Some of the Roman emperors were into relatives as well. It isn't hard to find it if you know even a cursory amount of mythology and ancient history.

I doubt though that internet porn had anything to do with his attempt though. Unless you're predisposed to go looking for it I don't think you'll find it at every Google search for porn.

Who really knows what prompted it? He is clearly suffering from something and it isn't just violent video games, guns, religion and porn promoting it.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I agree with this somewhat. Internet is not consisted only of soft or "educational" porn. There is some horrendous images and stuff out there that goes beyond the level of disgusting and pervert and is not pretty to look at all.

If a little child stumbles upon those graphic images it clearly will affect his psyche in a bad way. If only there was a way to erase every extreme porn imagery from the net. But I guess the state priorities is to go after those pesky pirates and shut 'em down like that mega upload poor guy and the torrent download shares.

Pervert and graphic imagery is OK, but sharing movies and music like we did back with the cassette is a major crime.

I actually agree that depending what he saw it could have a made an impact.
I have a ten year old cousin I fear could turn out this way. He has social problems, but his parents let him run free online and have even started letting him watch South Park. Hell, he was singing the Lemmiwinks song at Easter. But seeing the influence it has on a young, already troubled mind, I certainly could see what you guys are saying.

 

[Teelie]

At ten years old, he shouldn't be given free reign of the internet regardless of his mental health. There are too many pitfalls to letting a child run loose online.

Someone with social problems could be greatly helped or hurt by the internet. It's a great place to interact with others but it's also the worst place. His parents should be supervising where he goes.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

At ten years old, he shouldn't be given free reign of the internet regardless of his mental health. There are too many pitfalls to letting a child run loose online.

Someone with social problems could be greatly helped or hurt by the internet. It's a great place to interact with others but it's also the worst place. His parents should be supervising where he goes.

I know that, but as the cousin no one listens to me. My whole family talks about how awful his behavior is, how he doesn't get any discipline, and how he has so many problems and his parents let him run wild, but no one does anything about it.
I'm not saying he is looking at porn, kids hear a lot in elementary school, but when you hear a plethora of Internet memes spread out between him insulting his parents and throwing tantrums, you know he's seen a lot of stuff he shouldn't have.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

lol. I don't think there is such a thing like raping your own mother in greek or any other mythology. Orgies with wine and music yes, Gods climbing down from Olympus to seduce young virgin girls, yes. And in general plenty of sex allegories. Those were a common thing in Greek mythology, because the Olympian Gods had human traits and wishes instead of the other way around.

I think I read somewhere that Zeus seduced one of his daughters to have sex with her
Incest theme still goes, could be inspirational for his lust

 

[Alex_Spider]

I know that, but as the cousin no one listens to me. My whole family talks about how awful his behavior is, how he doesn't get any discipline, and how he has so many problems and his parents let him run wild, but no one does anything about it.
I'm not saying he is looking at porn, kids hear a lot in elementary school, but when you hear a plethora of Internet memes spread out between him insulting his parents and throwing tantrums, you know he's seen a lot of stuff he shouldn't have.

Wow, I am sad to say this but the kid might be in big trouble if he keeps surfing without any supervision. It's not that he might be into porn deliberately, but it is very likely to stumble upon just from curiosity. His family needs to wake up and get close to the kid.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I think I read somewhere that Zeus seduced one of his daughters to have sex with her
Incest theme still goes, could be inspirational for his lust

And a pre-teen boy as well, which is where the term "catamite" comes from.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Well if I was Zeus, I 'd choose the "virgins" over the boys

 

[Kevin Smith]

The Egyptians were big on incest. The entire royal line was nothing but it at one point. The Greek gods were similarly riddled with it. Some of the Roman emperors were into relatives as well. It isn't hard to find it if you know even a cursory amount of mythology and ancient history.

I doubt though that internet porn had anything to do with his attempt though. Unless you're predisposed to go looking for it I don't think you'll find it at every Google search for porn.

Who really knows what prompted it? He is clearly suffering from something and it isn't just violent video games, guns, religion and porn promoting it.

You don't really have to look for it, there's always ads for **** like that just about anywhere. Just saying. Doesn't take much to get hold of one's subconscious, especially someone like that who's already got some issues.