15 Year Old Dies In Prank Gone Wrong

[X-Ray]

His son's in a tough spot. What do you say to your father who shot at your friends and killed one of them? What do you say to your friends who survived it and are mourning the life that was lost? Tough situation for the kid.

One shot in the air would have scared them off. Multiple shots into the car is just asking to take a life.

 

[terry78]

Too many people with guns are not attempting to scare these days, that's the thing. If somebody is bugging me and I do have one, I at least pull a warning shot away from anyone, not just start busting caps.

 

[E-Man]

My heart goes out to this kid's family. It is really bad to see someone so young killed like that. I wish that more people would think before shooting. I know they were doing some dumb stuff, but if he would have held off shooting like that she would still be alive.

 

[charl_huntress]

My heart goes out to this kid's family. It is really bad to see someone so young killed like that. I wish that more people would think before shooting. I know they were doing some dumb stuff, but if he would have held off shooting like that she would still be alive.

This sounds very horrible. Where are all of you getting this additional information. The article in the OP is very sparse. I don't have the ability right now to search the net, but the CNN article makes it seem like this man shot them on his property while they were in the midst of vandalizing.

 

[E-Man]

This sounds very horrible. Where are all of you getting this additional information. The article in the OP is very sparse. I don't have the ability right now to search the net, but it sounds like the CNN makes it seem like this man shot them on his property while they were in the midst of vandalizing.

The LA Times mentioned that three bullets hit the car. Two hit the door while another hit the back window. It's not clear yet which of those bullets hit the girl, but from that article I gather that she was shot while in the car. Here is said article:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...ooting-20140217,0,1647739.story#axzz2tjuX7hd1

 

[Motown Marvel]

Maybe he made some sort of threat against them.

Like I said before, read up the home protection laws for your state. It could really save your life.

This sounds like a real tragedy, but I can't see them getting him on murder charges. I wonder how this would have played if the gun owner was white and the victim black? Would they have charged him like the black gun owner?

i get that yer cool with guns and all about second amendment rights and home protection. i get that, and it is totally cool and respectable. but as a gun advocate, it should be incidents like this that piss you off. because it is incidents like this that get people pissed off at gun advocates and want more regulation on rights for gun owners. it is incidents like this that give responsible gun owners a bad name and sullies the intentions of second amendment advocates. because this is another incident of irresponsible gun ownership. but instead of recognizing that, you inject unfounded excuses for the irresponsible gun owner in a weak attempt to justify yer rights as a responsible gun owner.

 

[Feenix]

His life wasn't in danger. He doesn't have the right to take away someone else's life if his is not at risk.

I wonder how he would feel if his son was shot during the prank he pulled.

 

[charl_huntress]

The LA Times mentioned that three bullets hit the car. Two hit the door while another hit the back window. It's not clear yet which of those bullets hit the girl, but from that article I gather that she was shot while in the car. Here is said article:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arkansas-shooting-20140217,0,1647739.story#axzz2tjuX7hd1

^^Thank you!

 

[charl_huntress]

i get that yer cool with guns and all about second amendment rights and home protection. i get that, and it is totally cool and respectable. but as a gun advocate, it should be incidents like this that piss you off. because it is incidents like this that get people pissed off at gun advocates and want more regulation on rights for gun owners. it is incidents like this that give responsible gun owners a bad name and sullies the intentions of second amendment advocates. because this is another incident of irresponsible gun ownership. but instead of recognizing that, you inject unfounded excuses for the irresponsible gun owner in a weak attempt to justify yer rights as a responsible gun owner.

I didn't excuse him, and I haven't. Where did you read I made excuses for him? I asked some additional questions. I only read the one article associated with this, so I don't have all the details.

What I don't do is jump to conclusions on 500 words that's meant to be sensational. That's what a lot of y'all do, but I just don't do that.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I didn't excuse him, and I haven't. Where did you read I made excuses for him? I asked some additional questions. I only read the one article associated with this, so I don't have all the details.

What I don't do is jump to conclusions on 500 words that's meant to be sensational. That's what a lot of y'all do, but I just don't do that.

Suggesting the possibility that threats were made as to justify killing someone over an immature prank sounds like an excuse to me. An extremely weak and irrelevant excuse, at that. In what seems to be another instance of irresponsible gun ownership resulting in an nnecessary shooting fatality, you make posts searching for excuses for the gunman, you suggest that the dead teen is at fault for their own death due to not knowing their states self defense laws, and then bring up hypothetical racial overtones in a situation where none exist.

Again, as an advocate of the second amendment and responsible gun ownership, you should be outraged at the gun owner for abusing and perversing the rights that you hold so dear. Yet time and again on these boards you spend more time desperately trying to justify their irresponsibility and blame the victims for bringing upon their own death.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Suggesting the possibility that threats were made as to justify killing someone over an immature prank sounds like an excuse to me. An extremely weak and irrelevant excuse, at that. In what seems to be another instance of irresponsible gun ownership resulting in an nnecessary shooting fatality, you make posts searching for excuses for the gunman, you suggest that the dead teen is at fault for their own death due to not knowing their states self defense laws, and then bring up hypothetical racial overtones in a situation where none exist.

Again, as an advocate of the second amendment and responsible gun ownership, you should be outraged at the gun owner for abusing and perversing the rights that you hold so dear. Yet time and again on these boards you spend more time desperately trying to justify their irresponsibility and blame the victims for bringing upon their own death.

To be fair, I believe that the threat comment Charl made came from why the suspect is being charged with a terroristic act.

 

[charl_huntress]

Good points, in Texas for instance, this would probably be a good shoot as they have laws going back over a century that allows a home/property owner to shoot in this situation. (In some instances one can shoot to protect one's neighbor's property.) I do not know about Alaska, but you brought up some good questions.

Boiled down to the lowest common denominator, we all have to decide for ourselves what we will do in any situation.

Exactly. I ask these questions because in the one thread that led to my infamy the shooter was white. In both instances, these were tragedies where I hope the shooters didn't mean to do what they did. And as you said, everyone has to decide what they will do in their given situation.

To be fair, I believe that the threat comment Charl made came from why the suspect is being charged with a terroristic act.

Thank you! I was responding to why the man may have been charged with a terroristic act. Threats can be considered terroristic acts.

Again, as an advocate of the second amendment and responsible gun ownership, you should be outraged at the gun owner for abusing and perversing the rights that you hold so dear. Yet time and again on these boards you spend more time desperately trying to justify their irresponsibility and blame the victims for bringing upon their own death.

Again, I don't know what happened. I answered a question and asked a couple of hypotheticals and from that you got I was defending him? I seriously think the problem here is you and others jump so easily to conclusions whenever a gun is involved you want to make the shooter guilty by any means necessary regardless of the facts. I don't jump to conclusions and like to ask questions. That's a problem for you and others... I guess.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Again, I don't know what happened. I answered a question and asked a couple of hypotheticals and from that you got I was defending him? I seriously think the problem here is you and others jump so easily to conclusions whenever a gun is involved you want to make the shooter guilty by any means necessary regardless of the facts. I don't jump to conclusions and like to ask questions. That's a problem for you and others... I guess.

asking questions is fine, such as, "why the f*** is this guy shooting down teenagers for egging a car?! and why is a man who is willing to use abuse his rights to gun ownership allowed to own a gun?!"

I'm not looking to make all shooters look guilty by any means necessary. just today there was a report in michigan of a woman with kids who shot down two men who broke into her house in the middle of the night. seems legit, got no problem there. but for the dick who shot and killed a teenager for throwing an egg, i dont need to make him look guilty, he accomplished that pretty good on his own.

again, for someone who cherishes second amendment rights, you'd think you could spare a little condemnation for those who abuse it and maybe even some sympathy for those who are victimized by it.

 

[Octoberist]

Tragic outcome, but seriously, why the **** are you vandalising someone's property? I understand kids will be kids, but it might be safer to assume every house is inhabited by an antisocial with a firearm.

I'll be honest: People have been toilet papering and egging houses for half of a century. You can't single these kids out for an old school and ultimately harmless prank.

 

[charl_huntress]

asking questions is fine, such as, "why the f*** is this guy shooting down teenagers for egging a car?! and why is a man who is willing to use abuse his rights to gun ownership allowed to own a gun?!"

Those aren't the questions I ask because I don't want answers to those questions. Sorry if that offends you.

I'm not looking to make all shooters look guilty by any means necessary. just today there was a report in michigan of a woman with kids who shot down two men who broke into her house in the middle of the night. seems legit, got no problem there. but for the dick who shot and killed a teenager for throwing an egg, i dont need to make him look guilty, he accomplished that pretty good on his own.

You don't really know all the circumstances or facts in either of these cases, but you're quick to pass judgment without. I am not like that. Again, sorry if that offends you.

again, for someone who cherishes second amendment rights, you'd think you could spare a little condemnation for those who abuse it and maybe even some sympathy for those who are victimized by it.

I don't condemn people without knowing all the facts. I just don't do that. Also, I expressed sympathy for the victim(s), but you missed that to jump to conclusions about me too... It seems to bother you and others that I question the victims motives (not in this case, but in general) because doing so means I'm blaming them some how.... Again, I believe you see it this way because you like to easily jump to conclusions.

 

[cherokeesam]

His son's in a tough spot. What do you say to your father who shot at your friends and killed one of them? What do you say to your friends who survived it and are mourning the life that was lost? Tough situation for the kid.

One shot in the air would have scared them off. Multiple shots into the car is just asking to take a life.

Amen.
I live in the deep south, and around here, just like in Arkansas where the shooting took place, almost everyone owns at least one gun, including me. And I've heard of plenty of instances in my lifetime of teenagers being teenagers running around all pulling dumb-ass stunts like egging and TP'ing in the middle of the night, but you know what? People who got scared and thought something worse was going on did *exactly* what you said: they fired warning shots into the air. Delivers exactly the same message ("get the hell off my property") without killing anyone (except owls and low-flying planes).

Dude with the gun is a goddamn idiot, and society will be a lot safer with him behind bars for the rest of his life.

 

[Feenix]

It's beside the point what the victims did in these situations. Egging a car, playing loud music, etc are not what we should be focusing on and it really is pointless to question what the victims were doing. It shifts the focus away from the clearly disturbed individuals with guns and that's a problem. No one needs to play Devil's Advocate when commenting on these cases. No one deserves to die for egging a car or playing loud music or insulting someone. To make this the focus is ridiculous. There is no controversy. There are nutjobs with guns shooting at teenagers. That has the be the focus of this.

In no way did these kids bring this upon themselves. Their "motives" don't need to be questioned because they weren't doing anything to warrant being shot.

 

[charl_huntress]

I like to view issues from all sides. I don't jump to conclusions because it looks bad. I personally don't like to do that with anything, but I hope the law would never do that to anyone. I hope this man gets a fair trail and that's what everyone should hope for him.

 

[SentinelMind]

yeah, lock him up

 

[The Endless]

The 2nd Amendment is how old? Does a law created hundreds of years ago apply in todays supposed civilised world?

All i'll say is i live in a country where civilians are not allowed to own guns and i feel a lot safer for it. If someone "scares" me then they get knocked out or i "scare" them off by pretending to be a large horny gorilla. Point is, why do you need a gun to protect yourself? Is it perhaps because every other ****er has a gun too? What if there was no guns? Then you'd have to settle your problems with your fists or comedy sized fish.

 

[SentinelMind]

or knives....what if 4 guys break into your house.
lot of gun crimes happen in cities with heavy gun control.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

We all did dumb things as teenagers.

To pay the ultimate price for a basic prank is just terribly tragic.

 

[The Endless]

I suppose it's irreversible now anyway. There is too many guns in circulation. I just think the 2nd Amendment is extremely archaic.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

We all did dumb things as teenagers.

To pay the ultimate price for a basic prank is just terribly tragic.

This. kids are kids and will behave as mindless idiots. should not be shot for it ever

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wonder why it was imperative to shoot a 15 year old....