BvS 1941-2016: 75 Years of Wonder Woman

That would be akin to Bruce Wayne being a gun manufacturer and enforcing his no-gun rule as Batman.

 

Not really. In reality, no matter how hard one works for peace, war can sometimes come about and to defend others, an otherwise peaceful person might take up arms.

 

As I said, you cannot use preconception here. The God of War is this new Wonder Woman mythology doesn't need to be someone how crave destruction and want to spread caos.

Ares in this book was probably close to the roman version of the god of war then the greek one. Yet even this is a bad comparisson because as I said, gods in this run are almost new entities, with only names conection them to ancient mythology.

In a more practical answer, Diana could have a "let those who desire peace prepare for war" attitude, and that is something that can actually make the paradox of peace seeking warrior stop being a paradox.

 

Anyone here ever read Stephenson's CRYPTONOMICON? He makes a nice point of putting a lampshade on something in Greek mythology. Ares is the god of War. Athena is also the goddess of War, along with wisdom, and crafts (tecnology as Stephenson argues convincingly to my mind). So, why the redundancuy? Well, as he frames it, Ares is really not that well thought of in the world of Greek myths. Even though he's the begotten son of Zeus and Hera he's not really presented well in the myths. He's never shown to be particularly noble or bright. Also his offsping in the world of mortals may at best be termed mass murders at worst, serial killers. There are a few stories of certain of the well known heroes having to confront and kill these nasty children of Ares with the help of Athena. Ares as Stephenson puts it was the mythological incarnation of the mindless agression and brutality of war. It's interrsting then that so often in these myths the truly great heroes of Greek myth have a relationship with the goddess of wisdom, war and technology. Athena (sprung fully from Zeus' head after he consumed the Titaness Metis, another way of saying "wisdom" I might add) seems to represent the cunning and wisdom required to properly wield the forces of war for the greater good, and not just the mindless abject destruction of Ares.

 

Warfare is the absence of peace. War is several acts of warfare.
Therefore war is not peace.

Wonder Woman may not like it, you may not like it, but if she were to act in her capacity of God of War (ie spread warfare) it fundamentally contravenes her role as Ambassador of Peace (seek diplomatic solutions).

 

There is nothing in the book that supports it. Again, you assume that the mission, or at least a necessity, of the God of War is the spread warfare, an idea that came from outside souces. While you keep using concepts from other works to judge this book in particular, your analyze will always be flawed.

 

Ares, when not approaching Diana of his own volition, was found at a warzone and terrorist attack.

And some quotes from him "Thine enemies must be eliminated, lest they return for thine own head! Revenge is not an option to leave a foe!"

and whe talking about war itself "well, we do what we can to keep the world spinning" "open your eyes and see what they hold the world will be ruled by war. It's inevitable"

Sounds like war is War's job.

 

Much like arguing that Wonder Woman is not Greek because she was made of Clay and not natural born, after having it pointed out that Themyscira is Amazonian and therefore Greek....really grasping at straws to say the Effn Greek God of War's job is not War

Of course, Wondy in that position turns it on it's head, conquers it because she is intended to undo war.

 

Actually, she did no such thing. Read #25 again.

 

Yet he wasn't provoking any of the said conflicts and attacks. He was just there. His relationship with war is not entirely defined, but it's been pointed more than once in this run that the gods are a reactive force, and not an active one. War himself said this in the same dialogue you quoted above:

"Brother [Apollo], our fate, it's not up to us. It's always been in mortal hands, open your eyes...".

He also said this in the same issue: "No war... that's a grand idea". Although it's hard to say what he meant by that. But from the continuation of the dialogue, I'd say that in the least he doesn't believe that possible.

Ares is Wonder Woman is a tired god. He used to see the "good" parts of War. Honor, glory, self-sacrifice... and in his view those things are gone from modern warfare. That's why he seeks someone to take his mantle, he doesn't want it anymore.

And what's the meaning of this? It's not to promote violence, quite the opposite. We could argue the merit of stopping violence by using violence, but that's the underline principle that guides War. But don't take my words for it: "The purpose of war is to end conflict. You must strike".

It is, but not in the way most people would think. As I already stated, this god of war doesn't see war as a way to spread misery, destruction or even more conflict. He is also not the driving force of human conflict, more like an observer.

With all that in mind, Diana take on the role is open. She can be many different things, and have different views of how warfare should be seeing. I believe I already said she could have a "peace through strength" attitude, like the romans, that for all the wars they fought, they also created on the most peaceful periods in european history.

 

Ah, but War also raises an army against the First Born, am army of all the soldiers who never died, as they were soldiers that continued to follow him. You're right that the relationship is ill defined, but if you look at Hell, for example, whilst in hell, all of the real appeared to be an extension of Hell himself.

Also, is #29 out? Because did they establish whether Diana remains the God of War? She didn't want the position and Apollo said he would abolish it. I guess Apollo's probably dead anyway.

 

Yes, #29 is already out. I'll won't spoil anything, but the next issues will certainly bring a lot to this discussion.

 

I was looking at this again and thought it'd be a good place to post it.

William Moulton Marston's notes and H.G. Peter's concept sketch of the original WW:



Link to bigger version:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2objnOCpx1qkchcvo1_1280.jpg

 

If someone could transcribe that cursive, that'd be cool and much appreciated.

 

This is the most I could get:

 

Wow thank you very much!

Such a cool little timecapsule that. Little did those two know they were constructing an icon.

 

It's really fascinating looking back now!

I've been reading "Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters and the Birth of the Comic Book" by Gerard Jones, about the creation of these characters around that time and there's an interesting section about Marston, who he was at the time, and how he was recruited by DC and how successful it all turned out to be.

 

I always love this photo of Jack Kirby. So effn badass.

 

I've read it!

 

Why must I do this?

 

Do what?

 

Wonder Woman #30

Wonder Woman, the God of War, takes command of the deadliest army ever! The Amazons are back, and they have some scores to settle…


Hmm...

 

Pretty much what I said: "It is, but not in the way most people would think. As I already stated, this god of war doesn't see war as a way to spread misery, destruction or even more conflict. He is also not the driving force of human conflict, more like an observer.

With all that in mind, Diana take on the role is open. She can be many different things, and have different views of how warfare should be seeing. I believe I already said she could have a "peace through strength" attitude, like the romans, that for all the wars they fought, they also created on the most peaceful periods in european history."