2009 NFL Draft Thread (aka Excel & Norman's personal b**ch and moan thread)

[Kaiser]

^ Well I hope so, they signed him to a contract.

No he didn't. Link for proof?

 

[Dark Donnie]

Matt Stafford will have the Lions in the playoffs in two years. You can quote me on this.

Quoted

Stafford lands $41.7M guaranteed from Lions

The Lions have agreed to contract terms with Georgia QB Matthew Stafford and will select him with the first pick in the 2009 draft.
Agent Tom Condon did well, landing Stafford a six-year, $78 million deal. The $41.7 million guaranteed tops Albert Haynesworth's $41 million guaranteed from the Redskins last month. No wonder the NFL wants to fix the rookie salary structure. Detroit can now concentrate on the No. 20 pick in the draft, where offensive tackle and linebacker will be priorities. The St. Louis Rams are on the clock. Apr. 24 - 11:17 pm et

Source: FoxSports.com

 

[BigSams50]

Thts way to much money for an unproven rookie.

 

[Excel]

Thats ****ing ridiculous, they got totally ripped off.

 

[El_Citrus]

Detroit needs a face for this franchise, and with two more quality picks, can at least get this program in the right direction. Stafford is a marketable number one pick, and with time, can be a pro bowl QB with a very solid career that can get Detroit in the right direction. I can't wait for a rookie salary cap of some kind though because that kid just made mega-bank without lifting a finger in the NFL yet.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Seattle would be perfect for Mark Sanchez. He can learn from Matt Hasselbeck

 

[NotFadeAway]

I'm not even excited for the draft. The Panthers don't have a 1st, so I have nothing to look forward to until the end of the draft, when I'll probably be drunk off my ass.

And I only want Jarron Gilbert if we are playing him at DE. None of this lightweight, speedy Defensive Tackle crap. Teams that employ that "finesse defense" always get ran over in the long run. I hope we get Paul Kruger or Lawrence Sidbury in the 2nd. And anyone who thinks going lighter on the D-line is a smart move, go back and watch the Cardinals game, and the entire second half of last season. Our smallish Linebackers got mauled because our D-line couldn't keep the opposing offensive lines occupied. If anything, we should be trying to add size and strength to the D-line as a complement to our small, fast Linebackers. In the draft of my personal dreams, in which we have a 1st round pick due to trading Peppers, we would get Tyson Jackson in the 1st round, and yes, we would play him at DE in our 4-3. And then Ron Brace in the 2nd, to team with Kemo. And then we could rotate Charles Johnson, Hilee Taylor, and Tyler Brayton in at DE as well, with Brayton being the run stopper and Johnson/Taylor in for the pass rush. And I still think Taylor can play OLB.

But, that draft scenario for the Panthers is unlikely for many, many, many reasons. I also suppose my dream of Carolina drafting Jevan Snead next year isn't happening now. By the way, Snead will be the best QB in the draft next year if he comes out, I'd take Snead over Bradford or McCoy, and I would take him over Sanchez and Freeman this year, and possibly Stafford. I've falling in love with Jevan Snead at Quarterback.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Players I would love to have are Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Coye Francies or Ziggy Hood. The first two we would have to have a first rounder.


The draft is less than 12 hours away. I'm so excited I can't even sleep. I have to work in 2 hours. I'll be back home at 2:30 for pre-draft disscusion.

 

[rdh007]

Stafford is a horrible pick for them, so of course they pulled the trigger.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No he didn't. Link for proof?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/15/sources-schefter-to-espn/

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Thats ****ing ridiculous, they got totally ripped off.

It's the same 6 year $72 million deal that Matt Ryan got last year as the #3, Stafford just has about $6 million more of it guaranteed.

 

[StorminNorman]

Thats ****ing ridiculous, they got totally ripped off.

It's essentially one million more a year than Matt Ryan...who was selected a year ago and two picks later.

This deal is easily summed up like this: If Stafford performs like I think he can and will - it was a great deal because that is absolutely franchise QB money. If Stafford fails - then it's a bad deal because that is absolutely franchise QB money. But that was going to be the case in either instance.

No in Atlanta complains about Matt Ryan's rookie contract.

Stafford is a horrible pick for them, so of course they pulled the trigger.

Yes, a horrible pick. Because anyone whose QB group includes Drew Henson, Drew Stanton and Daunte Culpepper circa 2009 clearly doesn't have a huge gigantic gapping hole at the QB position, and wouldn't be benefited by taking the best QB not only in this draft, but next years.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Come on football Gods.....

Julius Peppers to the Packers for Aaron Kampman and a 2nd. Kampman is the kind of football player I like, Peppers isn't. Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense, Kampman doesn't.

 

[StorminNorman]

StorminNorman's Mock Draft

Spoiler

First round
Pk Sel # Team
1 1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB
2 2 St. Louis Eugene Monroe LT
3 3 Kansas City Tyson Jackson DE
4 4 Seattle Mark Sanchez QB
5 5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB
6 6 Cincinnati Jason Smith LT
7 7 Oakland Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 8 Jacksonville Michael Crabtree WR
9 9 Green Bay Brian Orakpo OLB
10 10 San Francisco Andre Smith OL
11 11 Buffalo Michael Oher LT
12 12 Denver Rey Maualuga MLB
13 13 Washington Mark Sanchez QB
14 14 New Orleans Brian Cushing LB
15 15 Houston Malcolm Jenkins DB
16 16 San Diego Aaron Maybin OLB
17 17 N.Y. Jets Jeremy Maclin WR
18 18 Denver (from Chicago) Evander "Ziggy" Hood DE
19 19 Tampa Bay Everette Brown DE
20 20 Detroit (from Dallas) Robert Ayers DE
21 21 Philadelphia Knowshon Moreno RB
22 22 Minnesota Eben Britton RT
23 23 New England Clay Matthews OLB
24 24 Atlanta Michael Johnson DE
25 25 Miami Sean Smith DB
26 26 Baltimore Kenny Britt WR
27 27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT
28 28 Buffalo (from Phil) Brandon Pettigrew TE
29 29 N.Y. Giants Larry English OLB/DE
30 30 Tennessee Vontae Davis CB
31 31 Arizona Donald Brown RB
32 32 Pittsburgh Alphonso Smith CB

Second round
Pk Sel # Team
1 33 Detroit William Beatty LT
2 34 New England Darius Butler CB
3 35 St. Louis James Laurenatus MLB
4 36 Cleveland Chris "Beanie" Wells RB
5 37 Seattle Phil Loadholt RT
6 38 Cincinnati Alex Mack C
7 39 Jacksonville Hakeem Nicks WR
8 40 Oakland Fili Moala DT
9 41 Green Bay Jarron Gilbert DE
10 42 Buffalo Eric Wood C
11 43 San Francisco Clint Sintum OLB/DE
12 44 Miami (from Wash) Percy Harvin WR
13 45 N.Y. Giants (from NO) Brian Robinski WR
14 46 Houston Louis Delmas S
15 47 New England (from SD) Max Unger OL
16 48 Denver Ron Brace DT
17 49 Chicago Mohammed Massaqoui WR
18 50 Cleveland (from Tampa) Connor Barwin OLB
19 51 Dallas Rashad Johnson S
20 52 N.Y. Jets Josh Freeman QB
21 53 Philadelphia William Moore S
22 54 Minnesota Alex Magee DT
23 55 Atlanta Jared Cook TE
24 56 Miami Leshaun McCoy RB
25 57 Baltimore Jamon Meredith OT
26 58 New England Patrick Chung S
27 59 Carolina Pat White QB/WR
28 60 N.Y. Giants Cornelius Ingram TE
29 61 Indianapolis Brandon Tate WR
30 62 Tennessee Ramses Barden WR
31 63 Arizona Paul Kruger DE/OLB
32 64 Pittsburgh Duke Robinson G

NewYorkSpider's Mock Draft

Spoiler

Round One

#1 Detroit Lions – Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
#2 St. Louis Rams – Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
#3. Kansas City Chiefs – Eugene Monroe, OT, Virgina
#4 Seattle Seahawks – Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
#5 Cleveland Browns – Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
#6 Cincinnati Bengals – Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
#7 Oakland Raiders – Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
#8 Jacksonville Jaguars – B.J Raji, DT, Boston College
#9 Green Bay Packers – Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
#10 San Francisco 49ers – Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
#11 Buffalo Bills – Aaron Maybin, OLB, Penn State
#12 Denver Broncos – Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
#13 Washington Redskins – Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
#14 New Orleans Saints - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
#15 Houston Texans – Brian Cushing, LB, USC
#16 San Diego Chargers – Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
#17 New York Jets – Darrius Hayward-Bey, WR, Maryland
#18 Denver Broncos(from Chicago)– Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
#19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Mississippi
#20 Detroit Lions – Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
#21 Philadelphia Eagles – Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
#22 Minnesota Vikings – Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
#23 New England Patriots – Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
#24 Atlanta Falcons – Everette Brown, OLB, Florida State
#25 Miami Dolphins – Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
#26 Baltimore Ravens – James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
#27 Indianapolis Colts – Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri
#28 Buffalo Bills(from Philadelphia) – Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
#29 New York Giants –Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois
#30 Tennessee Titans – Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
#31 Arizona Cardinals – Sean Smith, DB, Utah
#32 Pittsburgh Steelers – Max Unger, OL, Oregon

#33 Detroit Lions – William Beatty, OT, Connecticut
#34 New England Patriots(from Kansas City) – Connor Barwin, DE, Cincinnati
#35 St. Louis Rams – Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
#36 Cleveland Browns – Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
#37 Seattle Seahawks – Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut
#38 Cincinatti Bengals – Alex Mack, C, California
#39 Jacksonville Jaguars – Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
#40 Oakland Raiders – Michael Johnson, DE, Gerogia Tech
#41 Green Bay Packers – Clint Sintim, LB, Virgina
#42 Buffalo Bills – Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina
#43 San Francisco 49ers – D.J Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
#44 Miami Dolphins(from Redskins) – Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
#45 New York Giants(from Saints) – Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State
#46 Houston Texans – CB Mike Mikens, Cincinnati
#47 New England Patriots(from Chargers) – Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
#48 Denver Broncos – Ron Brace, DT, Boston College
#49 Chicago Bears – Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
#50 Cleveland Browns – Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio State
#51 Dallas Cowboys – Deon Butler, WR, Penn State
#52 New York Jets – LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
#53 Philadelphia Eagles – Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
#54 Minnesota Vikings – Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
#55 Atlanta Falcons – Sen ‘Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
#56 Miami Dolphins –Mohamed Massaquio, WR, Georgia
#57 Baltimore Ravens – Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Jose State
#58 New England Patriots – Eric Wood, G/C, Louisville
#59 Carolina Panthers – Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State
#60 New York Giants – Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
#61 Indianapolis Colts – Jarius Byrd, S/CB, Oregon
#62 Tennessee Titans – Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland
#63 Arizona Cardinals – Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
#64 Pittsburgh Steelers – Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

If anyone else wants to submit a Mock Draft for competition please post it in this thread before 4:00 EST (anyone submitted 4:01 and later will not be accepted).

The score chart
Accuracy on pick 1 - 1 point
Accuracy on picks 2-5 2 points
Accuracy on picks 6-10 3 points
Accuracy on picks 11-32 4 points
Accuracy on picks 33-60 5 points
Accuracy on picks 61-64 6 points

These same values will apply to the SHH! Mock Draft.
Accuracy on a trade (made in the Mock Draft) 10 points.

 

[rdh007]

Yes, a horrible pick. Because anyone whose QB group includes Drew Henson, Drew Stanton and Daunte Culpepper circa 2009 clearly doesn't have a huge gigantic gapping hole at the QB position, and wouldn't be benefited by taking the best QB not only in this draft, but next years.

Culpepper buys you a year until you get to next year's superior draft. Also, they're closer on defense and would benefit from picking Aaron Curry, who I just heard called the best overall pick by somebody on ESPN (it was on in the background).

I'm not saying Stafford's a bad pick, I'm saying he's a bad pick for the Lions. They could build legitimacy quicker with an improved defense being coached by a guy who coached one of the best defenses in the league last year.

 

[El_Citrus]

My FINAL mock draft. I chose not to risk trying to pick trades and just see if my draft will hold up.



1. Detroit Lions: Matt Stafford QB
2. St. Louis Rams: Jason Smith OT
3. Kansas City Chiefs: Aaron Curry LB
4. Seattle Seahawks: Mark Sanchez QB
5. Cleveland Browns: Brian Orakpo DE/OLB
6. Cincinnati Bengals: Eugene Monroe OT
7. Oakland Raiders: Jeremy Maclin WR
8. Jacksonville Jaguars: Michael Crabtree WR
9. Green Bay Packers: BJ Raji DT
10. San Francisco 49ers: Andre Smith OT
11. Buffalo Bills: Brandon Pettigrew TE
12. Denver Broncos: Tyson Jackson DE
13. Washington Redskins: Aaron Maybin DE/OLB
14. New Orleans Saints: Malcolm Jenkins S/CB
15. Houston Texans: Clay Matthews OLB
16. San Diego Chargers: Ray Mauagula ILB
17. New York Jets: Darius Heywood-Bey WR
18. Denver Broncos: Everette Brown DE/OLB
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Peria Jerry DT
20. Detroit Lions: Michael Oher OT
21. Philadelphia Eagles: Knowshon Moreno RB
22. Minnesota Vikings: Josh Freeman QB
23. New England Patriots: Robert Ayers DE/OLB
24. Atlanta Falcons: Brian Cushing OLB
25. Miami Dolphins: Vontae Davis CB
26. Baltimore Ravens: Percy Harvin WR
27. Indianapolis Colts: Evander Hood DT
28. Buffalo Bills: Ebbon Britton OT
29. New York Giants: Hakeem Nicks WR
30. Tennessee Titans: Darius Butler CB
31. Arizona Cardinals: Chris Wells RB
32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alphonso Smith CB
Round 2
1. Detroit Lions: James Lauranitis ILB
2. New England Patriots: Sean Smith S/CB
3. St. Louis Rams: Kenny Britt WR
4. Cleveland Browns: Donald Brown RB
5. Seattle Seahawks: Louis Delmas S
6. Cincinnati Bengals: Max Unger OL
7. Jacksonville Jaguars: William Beatty OT
8. Oakland Raiders: Michael Johnson DE
9. Green Bay Packers: Larry English DE/OLB
10. Buffalo Bills: Paul Kruger DE
11. San Francisco 49ers: William Moore S
12. Miami Dolphins: Brian Robiskie WR
13. New York Giants: Connor Barwin DE/OLB
14. Houston Texans: Rashad Johnson S
15. New England Patriots: LeSean McCoy RB
16. Denver Broncos: Ron Brace DT
17. Chicago Bears: Juaquin Iglesias WR
18. Cleveland Browns: Jared Cook TE
19. Dallas Cowboys: Patrick Chung S
20. New York Jets: Shawn Nelson TE
21. Philadelphia Eagles: Alex Mack C
22. Minnesota Vikings: Derrick Williams WR
23. Atlanta Falcons: Jarron Gilbert DL
24. Miami Dolphins: Clint Sintim DE/OLB
25. Baltimore Ravens: Phil Loadholt OT
26. New England Patriots: Duke Robinson OG
27. Carolina Panthers: Fili Moala DT
28. New York Giants: Jamon Merideth OT
29. Indianapolis Colts: Shonn Greene RB
30. Tennessee Titans: Mohammed Masaquoi WR
31. Arizona Cardinals: Lawrence Sidbury DE/OLB
32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Eric Wood C

 

[Dr. Evil]

If the Jets draft a Wide Receiver, Jet fans better be prepared for a very long season.

 

[NotFadeAway]

The Lions should have taken Aaron Curry witht he 1st pick, an offensive tackle with the 20th pick, and then used the majority of there other picks on defense. With better blocking, there offense would be competent with Culpepper for a year, and then they could have grabbed there QB next year.

With that said, I have more hope for the Lions than I do the Rams. I wouldn't want to touch the Rams with the roster they have and the holes they have.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

The Titans have now come up as a team for Anquan Boldin. I still believe if the Titans don't get him threw the deal, they'll draft one in the first round. They are trying very hard to acquire one.

 

[Dark Donnie]

The Jets trying to get to 2 and draft Sanchez it appears

 

[Immortalfire]

For today's draft, I don my Falcons avvy

 

[NotFadeAway]

Players I would love to have are Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Coye Francies or Ziggy Hood. The first two we would have to have a first rounder.


The draft is less than 12 hours away. I'm so excited I can't even sleep. I have to work in 2 hours. I'll be back home at 2:30 for pre-draft disscusion.

I like Jackson and Francis, but something about Ayers tells me he is going to be a bust, and I'm never to high on Big 12 defensive players like Hood.

As the two Panther fans here, I'm so worried about our defense. I'll admit it, I'm kinda freaking out right now. We have a good foundation in Beason, Davis, Gamble, Charles Johnson, Marshall, and Harris, but we need some help and an attitude change. Our defense has slowly but surely played softer and softer since 2005, and that really came to a head during the 2nd half of last season. We have got to become tougher and more aggressive on defense, I'm to the point now were I cna't stand the passive approach Fox takes with the defense. Like I said before, I think we need a DE, DT, OLB, 3rd Corner, and then another DE. What do you about trying Hilee Taylor at OLB? And I don't want Peppers back, to me, he is the face of everything that has been wrong the last few years, the man is inconsistent and passive. I like tough, hard nosed football players who give it there all every snap. As far as which position i wouldn't mind seeing passed over, it would be 3rd Corner. I don't really like taking rookie corners, and we can sign a guy like Mike McKenzie as our number three. I'd like to see Marshall get a full season as starter,

On the flip side, I'm not worried at all about our offense. We need some line depth sure, but I like Geoff Schwartz and Mackenzy Bernadeau. I'd actually like to see Schwartz get a shot at taking Keydrick Vincents spot at RG. We can grab a guy like Fenuki Topou or Robert Brester late, and sign a veteran or two in June. I'll say this though, if Herman Johnson is there in the 4th, I want him. I haven't given up on Dwayne Jarrett yet, or RB's are amazing, our line is set, and despite how I flipped out about the Delhomme contract a few days ago, I'm fine with him as a starter this season, I just want to start thinking about the future here soon, everyone else is getting younger, I'd like to as well.

My issues with our team comes from the passive style of play, particularly on Defense. The last time we were tough defensively, we had a healthy Dan Morgan, Will Witherspoon, Chris Draft, Brenston Buckner, Al Wallace, Marlon McRee, and that big tub of baby turds known as Kris Jenkins.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The Jets trying to get to 2 and draft Sanchez it appears

They still will have a combined six starts among QB's. I think Jason Campbell is a consolation prize for the Jets if they can't move to 2.

 

[BlackLantern]

any word on if Brady Quinn will be trade bait?

 

[NewYorkSpider]

any word on if Brady Quinn will be trade bait?

The Browns have said he's not for sale. But anything could change for the right deal.