2009 NFL Draft Thread (aka Excel & Norman's personal b**ch and moan thread)

[El_Citrus]

For real

Sanchez to the Broncos is just as rediculous. If he's available at 10, San Fran won't pass him up with the way his stock is rising.

Slaton had a great rookie year, but they need another running back. With the signing of Smith and June, the Texans filled in their two biggest holes. They still have a need at safety, but that isn't a position they are likely to address at 15. It's no secret that Gary Kubiack longs to have an elite two back backfield.

If Malcom Jenkins is available at 15, I think the Texans might take him to put opposite Nick Ferguson. If NO takes Jenkins, I could see Houston taking Vontae Davis or possibly trading down for an extra pick and then grabbing Wells like you said. Vontae Davis could be trade material for NO or Houston with a team like NE. They have plenty of picks and could trade up to grab an extra CB that can sure up their secondary.

 

[StorminNorman]

If Malcom Jenkins is available at 15, I think the Texans might take him to put opposite Nick Ferguson. If NO takes Jenkins, I could see Houston taking Vontae Davis or possibly trading down for an extra pick and then grabbing Wells like you said. Vontae Davis could be trade material for NO or Houston with a team like NE. They have plenty of picks and could trade up to grab an extra CB that can sure up their secondary.

Malcom Jenkins is a very real option if he is on the board due to his ability to play Safety.

Vontae Davis isn't an option though. The guy is talented, but he has huge red flags. His stock has fallen.

 

[El_Citrus]

Malcom Jenkins is a very real option if he is on the board due to his ability to play Safety.

Vontae Davis isn't an option though. The guy is talented, but he has huge red flags. His stock has fallen.

Which is why I have a feeling the Saints will take Jenkins and not Davis. I think Adibi could develop over time for the Texans so their LB is sured up along with DL. They could take a WR to compliment Johnson. If they don't take Wells or a WR, would Darius Butler be an option?

 

[StorminNorman]

Very possibly.

Sean Smith is another. He has amazing physical attributes as a 6'3 former WR.

 

[El_Citrus]

If they do draft defense again, hopefully Ryans, June, and Smith can be the leaders of a VERY young defense that could be phenominal in a year or two. Houston has a lot of upside even though I don't completely trust Schaub as a franchise QB.

For Wells and Moreno, one of them has to land in Philly. I could see SD taking Wells as a Turner replacement, but they have other needs like replacing Olshansky and an ILB playmaker. The Jets might look at Moreno, but they'll most likely take a WR. It would not surprise me if Denver took Wells or Moreno with their second first round pick.

 

[StorminNorman]

Again, I would be very surprised if Philadelphia drafted twice in the first round. And its clear that Philadelphia view the tackle as the most important need in the draft.

San Diego is not an option for a first round running back because of the salaries of LT and Sproles. SD has needs at DE, ILB and OT.

Denver is a very real option, though the fact they went out and signed two running backs to add to an already crowded roster (along with the fact they still have numerous defensive holes) may prevent that.

Again, New England could be a dark horse.

As far as Houston - I agree. I think the Texans have amazing upside and could be a Super Bowl contender this year. Then again I trust Matt Schaub more than most.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I can see the Jets drafting Moreno and San Deigo drafting Matthews.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Chargers have bigger needs than an OLB.

They need an inside backer or a 3-4 DE, Matthews is neither.

The Jets drafting Moreno would make sense because he is the best receiving back in the draft, as well as a terrific runner.

 

[StorminNorman]

A DE in a 3-4 scheme isn't a pass rusher. It's essentially a tall 4-3 defensive tackle.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

A DE in a 3-4 scheme isn't a pass rusher. It's essentially a tall 4-3 defensive tackle.

I read wrong in your previous post. That's why edited my post.

 

[StorminNorman]

 

[El_Citrus]

Again, I would be very surprised if Philadelphia drafted twice in the first round. And its clear that Philadelphia view the tackle as the most important need in the draft.

Do you see Philly using their picks to trade up or using one and trading the other down. I see them using one pick, possibly the later pick on Moreno or Wells, and trading the higher pick for a few more picks.

 

[StorminNorman]

Do you see Philly using their picks to trade up or using one and trading the other down. I see them using one pick, possibly the later pick on Moreno or Wells, and trading the higher pick for a few more picks.

I think they want to be able to trade up and secure one of the top left tackles. Kansas City and Seattle are possible trade partners if they LOVE Monroe or Jason Smith. Jacksonville is an option if the like Andre Smith. New Orleans is an options if they like Michael Oher.

 

[El_Citrus]

I think they want to be able to trade up and secure one of the top left tackles. Kansas City and Seattle are possible trade partners if they LOVE Monroe or Jason Smith. Jacksonville is an option if the like Andre Smith. New Orleans is an options if they like Michael Oher.

If they do trade up, it'll be for Monroe unless St. Louis is willing to trade the 2nd overall pick for Philly's first rounders so they can pick up Smith.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't think St. Louis will trade.

 

[Excel]

Seattle has several needs, but they don't have a starting RB. If they are able to trade down to acquire some picks, Wells is a real option.

I didnt say they wont pick up a back, but Slaton just robbed of the pro bowl. They wont waste their 1st pick on a position thats not even a top 5 need. Their zone blocking scheme made Ron Dayne look ok back in 2007; they'll have no trouble finding a pounder if they want one, but they will not go rb in round 1, that I can guarentee.

I would be a bit surprised in the Texans didn't get a running back somewhere in the first two rounds.

They wont get one in round 1. Maybe a guy like McCoy or Brown if theyre there in round 2, but thats all.

And, again, I don't think Philadelphia will own the 28th pick when it comes down to the actual draft.

I doubt Phily keeps both picks either, but I would also bet the only way they trade one of those is for a WR or RB, so ot would be the natural choice for the remaining 1st rounder But, should they keep both, I would bet Wells goes at one of them.

Vontae Davis isn't an option though. The guy is talented, but he has huge red flags. His stock has fallen

His red flags that I know of are the fake drug test and being Vernons brother. What else is there?

The Jets might look at Moreno, but they'll most likely take a WR. It would not surprise me if Denver took Wells or Moreno with their second first round pick.

Thomas Jones just lead the AFC in rushing while Washington was a probowler; they wont go rb in round. Theyll go WR or QB.

 

[El_Citrus]

And I doubt Cincy would give up Ocho Cinco and the 6th pick for both of Philly's picks.

 

[Excel]

Why would phily want the 6th pick? Theyll get the same talent reguarldess oif its 6 or 21 but will pay 3x as much at #6. Philys deam draft would look like:

-21: Chris Beanie Wells
-28. Bst ot avail
-Trade for chad johnson for 2009 2nd rounder and 2010 conditional minimum 3rd possible 1st given perfrmance.

 

[Dark Donnie]

The Eagles seem to be very interested in Monroe and Beatty. They also have the eyes on Sean Smith. I think moving up to take Monroe could happen.

 

[El_Citrus]

And I think the Bengals would want more compensation this year than just a second rounder.

 

[StorminNorman]

I didnt say they wont pick up a back, but Slaton just robbed of the pro bowl. They wont waste their 1st pick on a position thats not even a top 5 need. Their zone blocking scheme made Ron Dayne look ok back in 2007; they'll have no trouble finding a pounder if they want one, but they will not go rb in round 1, that I can guarentee.

But it is a top 5 need. In fact since the Texans have already addressed outside linebacker and defensive end, adding a big, bruising RB to compliment the slick Slaton could be their number one need.

They wont get one in round 1. Maybe a guy like McCoy or Brown if theyre there in round 2, but thats all.

Again, I disagree.

His red flags that I know of are the fake drug test and being Vernons brother. What else is there?

How about the fact he got benched? Or the fact he is an under achiever? Or maybe its his poor work ethic?

Thomas Jones just lead the AFC in rushing while Washington was a probowler; they wont go rb in round. Theyll go WR or QB.

Thomas Jones is also 31 years old and Washington was a Pro Bowler as a kick returner, but nice try.

And I doubt Cincy would give up Ocho Cinco and the 6th pick for both of Philly's picks.

Not at all.

Why would phily want the 6th pick? Theyll get the same talent reguarldess oif its 6 or 21 but will pay 3x as much at #6. Philys deam draft would look like:

-21: Chris Beanie Wells
-28. Bst ot avail
-Trade for chad johnson for 2009 2nd rounder and 2010 conditional minimum 3rd possible 1st given perfrmance.

What do you mean they will get the same talent regardless of 6 or 21? They don't have a shot at a Andre Smith, a Michael Oher or even a Eugene Monroe at 21.

 

[Excel]

Thomas Jones is also 31 years old and Washington was a Pro Bowler as a kick returner, but nice try.

They also have no quarter back or wide reciever. They will "make due" with a pro bowler at rb until they can find a guy to line up under center.

What do you mean they will get the same talent regardless of 6 or 21? They don't have a shot at a Andre Smith, a Michael Oher or even a Eugene Monroe at 21.

Britton and Beatty will still be there at 21, Oher possibly as well. Under Reid the difference will hardly be noticable.

 

[El_Citrus]

They also have no quarter back or wide reciever. They will "make due" with a pro bowler at rb until they can find a guy to line up under center.

They could go with Clemens this year and see how he fares with an actual O-Line to play behind. Thomas Jones could become trade material during the draft with his rumored contract dispute if the Jets take Moreno or Wells. Most likely they will take a WR, but I wouldn't completely count out Moreno.

 

[Excel]

Well I wouldnt count out anbody, I would just be VERY surprised.

 

[StorminNorman]

They also have no quarter back or wide reciever. They will "make due" with a pro bowler at rb until they can find a guy to line up under center.

The organization has some confidence in Clemmens and Ratliff. They have Cotchery. Whether they draft one in the first round or not, the Jets are still very likely to pick up a running back. And Thomas Jones is also holding out for a new contract...which at 30 years old the Jets would be a bit silly to give him. The reason Moreno makes since is his ability to help in the passing game.

Britton and Beatty will still be there at 21, Oher possibly as well. Under Reid the difference will hardly be noticable.

Again, Britton doesn't help much because he is a right tackle on a team needing a left. Oher will be gone before 21. Beatty is possible, but there is a reason people have him as the six tackle in the draft. I don't understand how Reid has the ability to eliminate the talent difference between tackles.