2014 NFL thread: Down and Dirty - Part 1

[DoomsdayApex]

And what about him sitting at home instead of playing football means that isn't gonna happen? His missing games is his fault either way. But as long as he is getting paid, there is nothing for him to cry about in regards to his employment. It is standard business practices is many an organization.

And if there is no testimony, how did they get these quotes?

http://blackandbluereview.com/hardy-quotes/

And explain this...


http://blackandbluereview.com/hardy-timeline/

Maybe I am confused, but that doesn't sound like 10 mins too me. It also shows that Holder showed up and testified. So did Hardy.

DoomsdayApex, it is almost like you are making things up to defend him at this point.

10 hours??????

J. Person tweeted out that the bench trial lasted about an hour at the most on 'verdict' day. Unless he combined the previous meetings (three in total, I believe), I don't see how it lasted ten hours. Hardy and his team weren't in the court grounds past two hours. In fact, check out Voth's tweets on that day (stated: "In and out").

The point remains, the Black and Blue Review (Voth's site) specifically said that Holder did not attend several court meetings. Maybe I missed the part where Holder did testify but that doesn't take away the fact that her story has holes and inconsistencies, she's hired attorney after attorney, refused to release the rest of the photographic evidence of her 'bruising', why she fled the scene instead of seeking help from the approaching officer, why she was high on coke when this beating transpired, etc.

It's not open and shut as you perceive to be. Holder's current legal team didn't take it well when Hardy demanded an appeal and a jury trial.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

10 hours??????

J. Person tweeted out that the bench trial lasted about an hour at the most on 'verdict' day. Unless he combined the previous meetings (three in total, I believe), I don't see how it lasted ten hours. Hardy and his team weren't in the court grounds past two hours. In fact, check out Voth's tweets on that day (stated: "In and out").

The point remains, the Black and Blue Review (Voth's site) specifically said that Holder did not attend several court meetings. Maybe I missed the part where Holder did testify but that doesn't take away the fact that her story has holes and inconsistencies, she's hired attorney after attorney, refused to release the rest of the photographic evidence of her 'bruising', why she fled the scene instead of seeking help from the approaching officer, why she was high on coke when this beating transpired, etc.

It's not open and shut as you perceive to be. Holder's current legal team didn't take it well when Hardy demanded an appeal and a jury trial.

No the point remains that you are telling falsehoods about what happened. Did you even read the timeline? Is that not Voth's site that I linked too? Is that not their own timeline? How did he just walk in and out, if he arrived at the courthouse at 8:40am, plead at 10:50am, the verdict was read at 9:00pm and left the courthouse at 9:10pm.

You said she didn't testify, and then they show that she in fact did. The victim doesn't need to show up to a bunch of pretrial meetings, they just need to attend when asked to testify. So it is irrelevant if that was her first day in court, because that is all that matters. And she clearly did, as they have the gallery to prove it.

http://blackandbluereview.com/hardy-sketches/

You keep saying these things happened, but haven't posted one link to anything that says what you said. If you are so right about Hardy, you wouldn't need to so blatantly make things up.

And the worst thing is, your defense of Hardy, the same one Hardy wants to do, is blatant attacking of the victim. Why does it matter if she releases the pictures, or hires a thousand attorneys? Why didn't she show up for other trial dates? Maybe she fled to get away from a crazy man? And you can still be beat if you are high.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

All in all, I wouldn't be shocked if this was settled out of court (unless Hardy stays persistent and chooses to clear his name) since both parties were possibly guilty of something.

I mean, honestly, if Hardy did slam Holder through a toilet and punched her repeatedly, there'd be a ton of evidence against him. Yet, the only bruising she has is focused on her arms. In case the world didn't know but Greg Hardy is 6'4" 278 lbs. Yeahhhh...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

All in all, I wouldn't be shocked if this was settled out of court (unless Hardy stays persistent and chooses to clear his name) since both parties were possibly guilty of something.

I mean, honestly, if Hardy did slam Holder through a toilet and punched her repeatedly, there'd be a ton of evidence against him. Yet, the only bruising she has is focused on her arms. In case the world didn't know but Greg Hardy is 6'4" 278 lbs. Yeahhhh...

If he hit or grabbed her at all, he is guilty of "something" in which case I have no idea why you are arguing this the way you are, outside of being a fan of the Panthers of course. As you pointed out, he is a big man against a far smaller woman. There would be no reason for him to put his hands on her, unless she came at him with a weapon. If she attacked him, all he had to do was leave.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No the point remains that you are telling falsehoods about what happened. Did you even read the timeline? Is that not Voth's site that I linked too? Is that not their own timeline? How did he just walk in and out, if he arrived at the courthouse at 8:40am, plead at 10:50am, the verdict was read at 9:00pm and left the courthouse at 9:10pm.

You said she didn't testify, and then they show that she in fact did. The victim doesn't need to show up to a bunch of pretrial meetings, they just need to attend when asked to testify. So it is irrelevant if that was her first day in court, because that is all that matters. And she clearly did, as they have the gallery to prove it.

http://blackandbluereview.com/hardy-sketches/

You keep saying these things happened, but haven't posted one link to anything that says what you said. If you are so right about Hardy, you wouldn't need to so blatantly make things up.

And the worst thing is, your defense of Hardy, the same one Hardy wants to do, is blatant attacking of the victim. Why does it matter if she releases the pictures, or hires a thousand attorneys? Why didn't she show up for other trial dates? Maybe she fled to get away from a crazy man? And you can still be beat if you are high.

I'll gladly post them as soon as get to my laptop.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'll gladly post them as soon as get to my laptop.

Is that not Voth's site? blackandbluereview.com? Are you suggesting I made up those links? You continue to avoid the content of them.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If he hit or grabbed her at all, he is guilty of "something" in which case I have no idea why you are arguing this the way you are, outside of being a fan of the Panthers of course. As you pointed out, he is a big man against a far smaller woman. There would be no reason for him to put his hands on her, unless she came at him with a weapon. If she attacked him, all he had to do was leave.

That's the thing though. Arm bruises are not that difficult to form, especially when the person is significantly larger than the other. That said, they are bruises and that needs to be investigated properly, not just speculated on.

I believe both parties are guilty. Holder and Hardy are lying to the press. To what degree? I'm not sure.

I'll be surprised if both Holder and Hardy make it to court in November. Something tells me Holder just wants cash and her 15 minutes of fame and Hardy doesn't want to miss out on his massive contract and explain the bruising.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What I like about the new stance from the NFL, is that it means these players aren't gonna be able to play the stall game anymore in the courtroom. Both Hardy and Peterson will probably be looking for pleas now, instead of postponing.

That's the thing though. Arm bruises are not that difficult to form, especially when the person is significantly larger than the other. That said, they are bruises and that needs to be investigated properly, not just speculated on.

I believe both parties are guilty. Holder and Hardy are lying to the press. To what degree? I'm not sure.

I'll be surprised if both Holder and Hardy make it to court in November. Something tells me Holder just wants cash and her 15 minutes of fame and Hardy doesn't want to miss out on his massive contract and explain the bruising.

But this is a completely different argument from claiming ESPN is gonna need to apologize if he is found Innocent. This is measured, this I completely understand. But all the ESPN coverage I have seen has been accurate. They say the 911 call disturbs them, as do the claims. They say he has been found guilty, which he has. What is wrong with ESPN's stance?

 

[Matt Mortem]

Johnathan Dwyer has just been arrested on Domestic Violence charges. WTF is going on with the NFL right now?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Johnathan Dwyer has just been arrested on Domestic Violence charges. WTF is going on with the NFL right now?

One of the reasons there was such moral outrage is that the original stance on these situations endorsed that it was ok to do, and that the NFL teams were willing to sweep it under the rug. Because of this, it discourages reporting. You see this a lot with sexual assault cases in the army and on college campus.

Now with a little fight back, it encourages people to not let these people get away with this.

 

[Matt Mortem]

One of the reasons there was such moral outrage is that the original stance on these situations endorsed that it was ok to do, and that the NFL teams were willing to sweep it under the rug. Because of this, it discourages reporting. You see this a lot with sexual assault cases in the army and on college campus.

Now with a little fight back, it encourages people to not let these people get away with this.

Kinda figured. A snowball effect. One gets busted so now the rest come to light as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kinda figured. A snowball effect. One gets busted so now the rest come to light as well.

Yep. And it seems the Dwyer case is a clear example of this. Reports saying the incident happened in late July and that his wife and child moved out of state shortly after, and kept medical records on her injuries. But the police did not take a report on the incident until Sept 11, of all days.

He is being charged with abusing both his wife and his 18 month old child.

 

[Matt]

10 hours??????

J. Person tweeted out that the bench trial lasted about an hour at the most on 'verdict' day. Unless he combined the previous meetings (three in total, I believe), I don't see how it lasted ten hours. Hardy and his team weren't in the court grounds past two hours. In fact, check out Voth's tweets on that day (stated: "In and out").

The point remains, the Black and Blue Review (Voth's site) specifically said that Holder did not attend several court meetings. Maybe I missed the part where Holder did testify but that doesn't take away the fact that her story has holes and inconsistencies, she's hired attorney after attorney, refused to release the rest of the photographic evidence of her 'bruising', why she fled the scene instead of seeking help from the approaching officer, why she was high on coke when this beating transpired, etc.

It's not open and shut as you perceive to be. Holder's current legal team didn't take it well when Hardy demanded an appeal and a jury trial.

The fact that it is a bench trial indicates to me that it is a lot more open and shut than you wish to perceive it. Attacking the victim's character doesn't change the validity of her case. I personally am glad that the FRE prohibits that type of stuff now-a-days (at least in sexual assault cases and arguably in others).

As for her not releasing evidence of bruising, she has no obligation to release evidence of one of the most traumatic events of her life to the public because she is not on trial and frankly, it is none of our damn business.

 

[vindrow]

Johnathan Dwyer has just been arrested on Domestic Violence charges. WTF is going on with the NFL right now?

And, the hits just keep on coming.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Yeah, this is Cousins' time to shine. It couldn't have been any more perfect for him. RG3 gets taken out a week before playing the undefeated division rival? If Cousins plays well, he will be that much closer to being the undisputed starter. If not, RG3 will be back for better or for worse.

I must say, one thing that speaks volume and gives makes me not worry about the unknown is that RG3's injury occurred without any contact. Additionally, he injured his ankle, a part that's he's never injured before.

It basically shows how this eventually was going to happen; it was just a matter of time.

 

[Donut]

And, the hits just keep on coming.

He also got deactivated & added 2 the list. Next man up

 

[Supernova]

Johnathan Dwyer has just been arrested on Domestic Violence charges. WTF is going on with the NFL right now?

Roger goodell right now

 

[runawayboulder]

How long before Roger Goodell is on a milk carton?

 

[Donut]

Come on Jets & Pats get on the list

 

[W/ Great Power]

Roger Goodell right now.

 

[Warhammer]

Roger Goodell right now.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Roger Goodell right now.

I was falling asleep, but then this post...

 

[W/ Great Power]

I'm a Skins fan, but I found this funny:

 

[TheBat812]

The biggest surprise to me is how suprised everyone has been about these cases. Seems incredibly naive. There've had cases of domestic violence being reported in the NFL pretty much every year since I've been following it as a child and I'm sure many many more unreported cases. But only once there was actual video did people get all gungho about it? And now that more are coming out of the woodworks, we're surprised?

 

[W/ Great Power]

The biggest surprise to me is how suprised everyone has been about these cases. Seems incredibly naive. There've had cases of domestic violence being reported in the NFL pretty much every year since I've been following it as a child and I'm sure many many more unreported cases. But only once there was actual video did people get all gungho about it? And now that more are coming out of the woodworks, we're surprised?

I'm not saying that it's justified, but that's kind of how hysteria works, with the media being the thriving force behind it.

Nobody cares when a teenager loses his/her life to senseless gang violence, but the Martin v. Zimmerman trial turned everyone into Facebook lawyers.

Nobody cares when millions of kids are being sold into slavery, dying of horrible diseases around the world, being killed for ethnic/religious purposes, etc. Yet, when Casey Anthony killed her daughter, it was literally international news.

People outside of the realm of politics generally didn't care when Nelson Mandela died. On the other hand, what happens when we lose an actor/actress/musician?

I could go on and on, but the moral of the story is to take everything with a grain of salt. I try not to get involved with political discussions on social media anymore. On Facebook, my Chipotle burrito got 48 likes, while a story I posted about sex trafficking got 2. People care when they're told to care, and we only cared about Rice because we got to sit back and watch a video with our popcorn; instead of actually having to research or read an article. If this was an average joe, nobody would give a damn. Yet, people still can't figure out the reasons for the sad state of the world we live in.

(Rant over)