A possible solution for Syria?

[Taarna]

If reports are correct over 6 million Syrian refugees have exited their country. Lost are they homes, jobs, some family members and happiness.

I have an elementary solution. Out of this 6 million or so people, there has to be at least 2 million able bodied men. What if we offer them a chance to take back their nation?

Train them as soldiers for 8 weeks, and pay them a privates' pay for their family solving their need for money. I'm thinking you can get over 200,000+ men to sign up. Then organize the units based on their what part of the nation they are from.

ISIS has far less men fighting. Estimates range between 20,000-32,000 fighters. Let the Syrian's take their own nation back and fight they way this type of war needs to be fought. Attrition says the refugee forces would win. And they would be fighting for a cause.

The USA could offer air support, medical support, fuel, food rations, and enough military vehicles to defeat whatever ISIS has.

Thoughts?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yeah... we are doing that with Iraq. That seems to be working out brilliantly.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I remember the West doing something similar in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The best part of that was there was absolutely no blowback on us whatsoever.

 

[Taarna]

Yeah... we are doing that with Iraq. That seems to be working out brilliantly.

Each nation and people are its own individual case. Iraq has been beaten down too many times and is religiously fragmented with a lot of area to cover.

Syria is a smaller nation, and the anger has to be at an all time high.

If you land and job was taken, you lost family members, and someone was offering your family relief in the form of badly needed money would you sign up and fight? I'm thinking at least 1 in 3 able bodied men would sign up and fight.

Perhaps even more.

To paraphrase Sun Tzu ( a genius and military expert ) put men in a tough situation united by a common goal they will fight like tigers.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I remember the West doing something similar in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The best part of that was there was absolutely no blowback on us whatsoever.

Saudi Arabia should be the destination for these migrants. Why are these migrants heading north and not to other likewise countries? If they are so religious, why would you pick Christian first countries over countries that define themselves as Islam?

WTF is Europe doing???

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Each nation and people are its own individual case. Iraq has been beaten down too many times and is religiously fragmented with a lot of area to cover.

Syria is a smaller nation, and the anger has to be at an all time high.

If you land and job was taken, you lost family members, and someone was offering your family relief in the form of badly needed money would you sign up and fight? I'm thinking at least 1 in 3 able bodied men would sign up and fight.

Perhaps even more.

To paraphrase Sun Tzu ( a genius and military expert ) put men in a tough situation united by a common goal they will fight like tigers.

lolwut?? ISIL exists in both Iraq and Syria. What the US is doing in Iraq CAUSED this crisis in the first place. The US is in Iraq arming and training those that are against ISIL. Those actions have literally created the very source of what's causing the migrations.

 

[Pink Ranger]

lolwut?? ISIL exists in both Iraq and Syria. What the US is doing in Iraq CAUSED this crisis in the first place. The US is in Iraq arming and training those that are against ISIL. Those actions have literally created the very source of what's causing the migrations.

Dude, shhhh! We're not supposed to talk about that! Everyone seems to have forgotten about that part of the narrative, so best let the Europeans deal with it now.

 

[Octoberist]

Saudi Arabia should be the destination for these migrants. Why are these migrants heading north and not to other likewise countries? If they are so religious, why would you pick Christian first countries over countries that define themselves as Islam?

WTF is Europe doing???

First off, most of Europe is opening their arms out to these migrants/refugees.

Is Saudi Arabia opening their borders too? Also, with Islam, there are different factions and domination, and sometimes there is a lot of hostility as well. And isn't Saudi Arabia, despite them being an alley to the West, super strict on certain things, especially on women's rights? Before any females can enter the border, they would have to be covered from head to toe.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

First off, most of Europe is opening their arms out to these migrants/refugees.

Right. WTF is Europe doing? Now Germany has ISIS flags flying all over. No joke.

Is Saudi Arabia opening their borders too? Also, with Islam, there are different factions and domination, and sometimes there is a lot of hostility as well. And isn't Saudi Arabia, despite them being an alley to the West, super strict on certain things, especially on women's rights? Before any females can enter the border, they would have to be covered from head to toe.

That's kind of my point. Why is Europe opening up their borders but the country that Mecca is in is not? Why aren't they taking care of their own? Isn't everyone else an infidel? Europe is screwing up here. It's time we have the Middle East stand up and take care of themselves. The Arab spring was completely wiped out by ISIS and now we're seeing mass migrations out of the troubled spots and this will only make Europe more of a battle ground then it's been.

This **** should be the catalyst for change in Saudi Arabia as these migrants storm their gates. Why would a Muslim want to go to Mecca when they can go to Christian dominated Europe.

 

[Smashlilman]

If reports are correct over 6 million Syrian refugees have exited their country. Lost are they homes, jobs, some family members and happiness.

I have an elementary solution. Out of this 6 million or so people, there has to be at least 2 million able bodied men. What if we offer them a chance to take back their nation?

Train them as soldiers for 8 weeks, and pay them a privates' pay for their family solving their need for money. I'm thinking you can get over 200,000+ men to sign up. Then organize the units based on their what part of the nation they are from.

ISIS has far less men fighting. Estimates range between 20,000-32,000 fighters. Let the Syrian's take their own nation back and fight they way this type of war needs to be fought. Attrition says the refugee forces would win. And they would be fighting for a cause.

The USA could offer air support, medical support, fuel, food rations, and enough military vehicles to defeat whatever ISIS has.

Thoughts?

The reason those people are refugees is because they weren't willing to die fighting for their homes, jobs, and family members. What makes you think they fair better than the people that stayed behind and are fighting ISIS in Syira currently.

Right. WTF is Europe doing? Now Germany has ISIS flags flying all over. No joke.



That's kind of my point. Why is Europe opening up their borders but the country that Mecca is in is not? Why aren't they taking care of their own? Isn't everyone else an infidel? Europe is screwing up here. It's time we have the Middle East stand up and take care of themselves. The Arab spring was completely wiped out by ISIS and now we're seeing mass migrations out of the troubled spots and this will only make Europe more of a battle ground then it's been.

This **** should be the catalyst for change in Saudi Arabia as these migrants storm their gates. Why would a Muslim want to go to Mecca when they can go to Christian dominated Europe.

If you were a Catholic and you had a choice between living in Catholic Dominated Europe during the middle ages or Modern Secular America which would you choose.

 

[DeadPresident]

Trump should just build a wall around Syria.

 

[Taarna]

Smashlilman. The reason those people are refugees is because they weren't willing to die fighting for their homes, jobs, and family members. What makes you think they fair better than the people that stayed behind and are fighting ISIS in Syira currently.

They had no weapons, organization, or backing to fight back. We can give them that.

 

[Taarna]

Trump should just build a wall around Syria.

Turkey is working on its own wall

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-builds-concrete-wall-along-syria-border-attacks-114706993.html


Hungary built its own wall.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...border-Serbia-stop-flow-illegal-migrants.html

 

[Taarna]

Right. WTF is Europe doing? Now Germany has ISIS flags flying all over. No joke.

That's kind of my point. Why is Europe opening up their borders but the country that Mecca is in is not? Why aren't they taking care of their own? Isn't everyone else an infidel? Europe is screwing up here. It's time we have the Middle East stand up and take care of themselves. The Arab spring was completely wiped out by ISIS and now we're seeing mass migrations out of the troubled spots and this will only make Europe more of a battle ground then it's been.

This **** should be the catalyst for change in Saudi Arabia as these migrants storm their gates. Why would a Muslim want to go to Mecca when they can go to Christian dominated Europe.

Germany has ISIS Flags? Where?

Saudi Arabia has built its own wall and its very impressive. But to point, what if ISIS people want to go to Mecca, then attack?

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/233628-saudi-arabia-anti-isis-wall/

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Germany has ISIS Flags? Where?

Saudi Arabia has built its own wall and its very impressive. But to point, what if ISIS people want to go to Mecca, then attack?

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/233628-saudi-arabia-anti-isis-wall/

Looks like I was had, along with most of the Internet, with the ISIS flag in Germany stuff that floated this morning.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...police-goes-viral--and-is-a-lie-10501290.html

With regards to Mecca, ISIS attacking anything there would only hurt their cause considerably. You can't be a religious cult and then attack the center of your religion.

 

[SerialPeacemake]

With regards to Mecca, ISIS attacking anything there would only hurt their cause considerably. You can't be a religious cult and then attack the center of your religion.

Makes no mistake about it,if ISIS have the military might to depose the Sauds and take Mecca they would be marching there already.The Saudis' interpretation of an "Islamic State" isn't something shared by most muslims or even Islamist (even the likes of Al Qaeda).

 

[Marvolo]

We already have a thread about this...

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=503969

The US needs to stay out of religious wars and civil wars. And we cant take in millions of refugees. The Middle East shouldnt be emptied and left to the psychos. That isnt a solution, and Europe isnt the best at taking in muslims and treating them well. So allowing millions of refugees into Europe is likely just setting up another cluster**** down the line and it allows the psychos in the middle east to continue running around with impunity.

The countries in the middle east need to start dealing with their problems themselves. Or at the very least start pulling their weight. The middle east has a combined ground force in the millions, does it not? Turkey and Saudi Arabia have air forces and avdanced militaries dont they? Well how about they deal with ISIS instead of waiting around for America do do it for them. Am I supposed to believe that the millions of soldiers in the middle east cant take out the thousands of ISIS soldiers. The odds arent in ISIS favor.

Also, India has some sort of capable military, does it not? And Afghanistan and Pakistan as well. Well ok maybe not Afghanistan. They seem like pushovers. I get why nations neighboring Egypt wouldnt put up a fight, but nations of the "Far East" that neighbor the Middle East should. ISIS has showed they dont care about borders and will move beyond the middle east. If they continue to spread they will cause trouble in India if they arent already.

The only positive thing about the refugees leaving Syria is that maybe their will be less civilians in the way of the bombs.

 

[SerialPeacemake]

We already have a thread about this...

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=503969

The US needs to stay out of religious wars and civil wars. And we cant take in millions of refugees. The Middle East shouldnt be emptied and left to the psychos. That isnt a solution, and Europe isnt the best at taking in muslims and treating them well. So allowing millions of refugees into Europe is likely just setting up another cluster**** down the line and it allows the psychos in the middle east to continue running around with impunity.

The countries in the middle east need to start dealing with their problems themselves. Or at the very least start pulling their weight. The middle east has a combined ground force in the millions, does it not? Turkey and Saudi Arabia have air forces and avdanced militaries dont they? India has some sort of capable military, does it not? Well how about they deal with ISIS instead of waiting around for America do do it for them. Am I supposed to believe that the millions of soldiers in the middle east cant take out the thousands of ISIS soldiers. The odds arent in ISIS favor.

The only positive thing about the refugees leaving Syria is that maybe their will be less civilians in the way of the bombs.

Psst...

India isn't a Midde-Eastern Country .

 

[Marvolo]

Psst...

India isn't a Midde-Eastern Country .

I didnt say they were.

I mentioned them because they are right next door and have been and are effected by radical islam. Same with Pakistan and Afghanistan. Neither are technically in the Middle East. They are however next door neighbors and have a dog in this fight.

Edit: Now that I read the post again I can see how it would appear as if I was saying that. Should have mentioned India in a different paragraph.

 

[Victarion]

They'll need to stand up for themselves if they want their homeland back. I read in an article that there's some among the refugees that want Assad out. That's fine - they need to stand up for what they want instead of turning tail and fleeing. Whatever the refugees' decision, the US needs to keep out of it and let it resolve itself.

 

[SerialPeacemake]

I didnt say they were.

I mentioned them because they are right next door and have been and are effected by radical islam. Same with Pakistan and Afghanistan. Neither are technically in the Middle East. They are however next door neighbors and have a dog in this fight.

Edit: Now that I read the post again I can see how it would appear as if I was saying that. Should have mentioned India in a different paragraph.

There's little impetus for India to get their feet wet here.The Middle Eastern conflicts don't really effect India in any meaningful way as they do not share any borders with any the Middle East country, any spilover effects are buffered by countries( which have more stake in the Middle East) that are their regional rival( blood rivals in case of China and Pakistan).

 

[Marvolo]

There's little impetus for India to get their feet wet here.The Middle Eastern conflicts don't really effect India in any meaningful way as they do not share any borders with any the Middle East country, any spilover effects are buffered by countries( which have more stake in the Middle East) that are their regional rival( blood rivals in case of China and Pakistan).

Yeah but the only thing right now separating them from ISIS is relatively small body of water and Pakistan. Two things Isis is more than capable of traversing. And apparently ISIS recruiters are trying to recruit from India.

 

[SerialPeacemake]

Yeah but the only thing right now separating them from ISIS is relatively small body of water and Pakistan. Two things Isis is more than capable of traversing.

ISIS is highly overrated,IMO.
They're having a hard time against the forces in Iraq and Syria as it is.I highly doubt that they could easily move into Pakistan (whom no doubt receive aid from either the US or/and China when push comes to shove) .Added that Pakistan is the traditinal stomping ground for their rival Islamist faction ( Al Qaeda e.g), they'll be facing resistance from multiple fronts.Plus ISIS don't have any naval presence to project force .

 

[Marvolo]

ISIS is highly overrated,IMO.
They're having a hard time against the forces in Iraq and Syria as it is.I highly doubt that they could easily move into Pakistan (whom no doubt receive aid from either the US or/and China when push comes to shove) .Added that Pakistan is the traditinal stomping ground for their rival Islamist faction ( Al Qaeda e.g), they'll be facing resistance from multiple fronts.Plus ISIS don't have any naval presence to project force .

I agree there are limitations in ISIS capabilities, but that is something the surrounding countries need to be taking advantage of. These countries could probably deal with ISIS if theyd just do it. Instead they are content in allowing ISIS to aggravate and destablize the region cause they know a warhawk in America will eventually front the bill and do it for them.

 

[Taarna]

Looks like I was had, along with most of the Internet, with the ISIS flag in Germany stuff that floated this morning.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...police-goes-viral--and-is-a-lie-10501290.html

With regards to Mecca, ISIS attacking anything there would only hurt their cause considerably. You can't be a religious cult and then attack the center of your religion.

The link says:

'Isis flag' picture that claims to show refugees attacking police goes viral — and is a lie