Age of Extinction A Transformers without humans

[Thundercrack85]

I don't have a problem with humans being in a Transformers movie. If done right, they can actually improve the movie.

The problem is that many of the human characters in the Bay movies are not only annoying, but they contribute nothing to the plot. They are just there for the sake of being there, like Shia LaBeouf's character in the third movie. I'm not against human characters, I am against unnecessary human characters.

The fact that people think that a movie starring Transformers couldn't hold an audience just shows how much these movies have failed.

 

[chaseter]

I thought this thread would be filled with G1 fanboys whining about too many humans but cool heads have prevailed! These films must have humans. A lot of great points have already been brought up like why would their alt modes be human vehicles???

Also, remember when Orci and Kurtzman said that their tv show was going to do right all the wrongs that the Bay series has done? Remember how they said how awesome it was going to be? What do they do? They put kids in the show and make the autobots their baby sitter. Why was that done? To sell the show to kids.

 

[Jochimus]

Also, remember when Orci and Kurtzman said that their tv show was going to do right all the wrongs that the Bay series has done? Remember how they said how awesome it was going to be? What do they do? They put kids in the show and make the autobots their baby sitter. Why was that done? To sell the show to kids.

Which it's supposed to do. That's why the main human characters ARE kids to start with. Every TF show since 2000 has had them, and probably will well after PRIME ends (of course, that's probably also the reason why PRIME's Optimus isn't the grave-demeanored face-taker who blows his crippled mentor's head off at point-blank range, but I digress). Plus based on what I've seen in every episode thus far, PRIME is still much more robot-heavy than the movies even with the kids, which is probably due to the fact as a TV series it actually has the time to build the robots' characterization in a way the movies can't; PRIME easily has the best-developed version of Arcee I've ever seen and a Megatron who's pretty much down to his last nerve with Starscream's constant scheming.

I don't really believe that Orci and Kurtzman were setting out to "right Bay's wrongs" so much as they just wanted to do things that they simply couldn't get around to in the movies. And the movies just haven't been able to give the robots more screen time. By contrast, TF: PRIME, with its much more streamlined robot designs and general reticence to continually ratchet up the number of robots involved, is able to get away with at least that much.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

A Transformers movie without humans would sort of defeat the purpose of them turning into cars and trucks and stuff and sort of invalidates the idea of them as "Robots In Disguise" - I mean, even the first movie, it took one flyby of an F-22 for Ironhide to peg it as Starscream, so it's not like THEY can't tell when another vehicle might be another Transformer (or even a Decepticon, if Bumblebee's behavior when Alice was riding in him is any indicator), so if there's no humans involved there really wouldn't be any point in them adopting alt-modes.

Yet Sideswipe and Mirage didn't know Sam's g/f's Mercedes was Soundwave lol.

 

[Jochimus]

Yet Sideswipe and Mirage didn't know Sam's g/f's Mercedes was Soundwave lol.

All that is is a who-cares-how-we-did-this-last-time gaping script hole...pretty standard stuff for these movies.

Well, it's either that, or Soundwave was just a hell of a lot more competent at hiding his true nature even from other Cybertronians (which, given that it's Soundwave we're talking about, even in Movie continuity could be likely...or not; I don't even remember seeing a scene in which Sideswipe and Mirage were in the same company as Soundwave in his alt-mode, but then that may have to do with how indifferent I am toward DOTM).

 

[terry78]

An all CG film is viewed as a cartoon, point blank. Most people view them that way, regardless of how mature they are. And that is what it would be viewed as without human characters.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I demand this opening to return!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WKV0ep4h7E&feature=related

The Humans stink in these movies, although the spec ops guys are alright.

Seriously remake the G1 movie in CGI

 

[Ultra Lantern]

Beast Wars anyone?
No humans there.

 

[roach]

there are things you can do in a cartoon that you cant do in live action..you have to have the human connection

 

[Jochimus]

there are things you can do in a cartoon that you cant do in live action..you have to have the human connection

Funny thing is, no TF cartoon made since Beast Machines has been without humans. If anything, I'd say you'd be more apt to get away with no humans in the comic books - which skew toward a more mature audience anyway and don't usually have to worry about shilling new product (heck, they're still printing G1 comics, for pete's sake) - than you would with the cartoons where you have to get the wee ones invested enough to maybe, just maybe, beg their parents to hand over a chunk of change for the newest Deluxe Class Bumblebee on the next trip to Toys R Us.

 

[GhostPoet]

I don't think you really need the humans. The Transformers are human-like enough to fill in the gap.

 

[MegaElron V]

I don't think you really need the humans. The Transformers are human-like enough to fill in the gap.

I have had plenty of people say they wont watch it unless they have humans in it. Paramount is gearing towards a broader audience; kids, fans, teens, young adults, etc. and will continue to do so until it stops making them money (it wont).

Bottom line: Most people want the human element so they can relate. Not everyone is a fan boy of the original cartoons.

 

[roach]

as was said before whats the point of becoming vehicles if there are no people????
I know the fans found Shia and his family boring but people who arent fans or werent fans before these movies love the human aspects.
TF3 became the number 4 movie all time so I'd think Bay and Spielberg know more about making movies than anyone in this thread.

 

[terry78]

We are hardcore fans that enjoy the interaction between the two factions, but the mainstay of this series has always been the human reaction to alien robots that can turn into **** we use on Earth in everyday life.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, not happening without the very blantant human connection of mundane humans. Also, Bay doesn't have the skill to give enough emotional resonance with a robot to carry a movie. They don't have the heart of Real Steel's Atom, much less Pixar's Wall-E. Without that heart, it's just a really expensive children's cartoon.

That said, there are ways to do humans that are interesting and intense. On the other hand, mundane scenes help the pace of the movie, and keep the price down. Too many CGI shots will drive the budget too high, and that'll be the end of the franchise.

 

[Tyrone Parker]

A Transformers movie without humans would make 30 million dollars in the box office. So it's not going to be made.

Nobody goes to see Transformers for stupid humans. Keep them to a minimum, all they do is drag the movie down. They can be in the film but main focus should the Transformers.

 

[Tyrone Parker]

Beast Wars anyone?
No humans there.

No stupid animal transformations either.

 

[DrCosmic]

Nobody goes to see Transformers for stupid humans.

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[bell110]

I don't mind human interaction. In fact, I prefer it. My problem with season 3 of G1 was that they were futuristic vehicles in outer space dealing with aliens. It took away the magic of robots as earth vehicles in earth situations. However, any future movies need to be able to make the humans and robots actually feel like they are interacting. Too many times in all three movies it just felt like the actors were doing things, and the animators animated the robots to react to the humans. Like John Malcovich shadow boxing and rolling around on the floor, and the animators had to figure out a way to make Bumblebee respond to that silliness.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah, I think a "Beast Wars" film could work.

Beast Wars would look so cool and maybe better!

Beast Wars anyone?
No humans there.

I doubt it would work

think about it, a live action film that features a few ,not to scale animals that can talk.............

sorry, that only works as a cartoon or if every animal can talk.

 

[Jochimus]

Eh, I think "Beast Wars" would have be reworked a bit in order to make a decent movie, largely because in the movies we've gotten so far we've already had the "TFs were on Earth in its distant past" card played a few times. And yes, humans would have to be involved, and grunting cavement in loincloths are probably not going to cut it.

As for the talking animal thing...bah, I don't see it to be THAT big an issue, between the suspension of disbelief of the audience and the creativity of the writers.

 

[TheDragonator]

Lennox was literally the only good human in the entire trilogy. He was the only person who actually seemed to know what the **** he was doing.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Lennox was literally the only good human in the entire trilogy. He was the only person who actually seemed to know what the **** he was doing.

I liked Sam's parents...........at least they were believable.

 

[Ultra Lantern]

I liked Sam's parents...........at least they were believable.

They were the comedy relief of all 3 Transformers movies.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

They were the comedy relief of all 3 Transformers movies.

and?

they were still a good fit