About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder.

[Sloth7d]

Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy.
I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on.

 

[Spade]

Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy.
I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on.

By today's standards the glowing robe Moses perceived on God's visage probably isn't as hip nowadays. Doesn't stop the person within the robes from being able to undo the notion you and your ancestors have had your entire lives of 'clothes' or anything 'cool' in the blink of an eye, though.

As for the Beyonder, I really don't mind him. I just wish Marvel would make up it's mind with it's Supreme Omnitience. One comic it's The Creator, the next it's The Beyonder...really, the amount of God-like individuals in the Marvel Universe alone is stupefying.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No . . . Beyonder entered the Marvel Multi-verse, which means he wasent supose to be a part of Marvel in the first place.
He bonded with it and replaced God.
(The thing with he creating the MU, was because he destroyed it)

It's like God is a kid building lego, and than bulglary breaks in push the kid away and starts playing with his creation.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It was the 70s who else could he dress like, William Shatner?

S.W. and the Beyonder came out in the 80's

 

[Spade]

No . . . Beyonder entered the Marvel Multi-verse, which means he wasent supose to be a part of Marvel in the first place.
He bonded with it and replaced God.
(The thing with he creating the MU, was because he destroyed it)

It's like God is a kid building lego, and than bulglary breaks in push the kid away and starts playing with his creation.

I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying that if there is an all-powerful being then they should just make it one and one only. We have the Celestials, Eternity, Death and Mephisto running around just to name the few I'm most familiar with. I just feel that in terms of pure infinite and unbeatable power they should dwindle down the stock a little.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Eternity = Infinity power
Multi-Eternity = Above Infinity (Infinity times)
Living Tribunal = Above Multi-Eternity's level
Molecule man = Above Living Tribunal's level
Beyonder = Above even that

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The race of Beyonders are still above Eternity.
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinitesdl7.jpg

Each one of them.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Back to pre-retcon Beyonder.

Every abstract agrees that Beyonder is greater than all other beings in the Multi-verse.
Why the heck does not the Living Tribunal mention The one above all?

Can be 2 reasons.
1. Beyonder back then was more powerful than TOAA, TOAA only become #1 when Beyonder and Molecule man got retconned.
2. TOAA was not ever-lasting, he was created after Beyonder's retcon.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Classic Beyonder Omnisient:

 

[Spade]

May want to check those links. All I see are red x's.

 

[Guyverjay]

E
Molecule man = Above Living Tribunal's level

LOL

Like being able to control molecules would even matter to an abstract being

 

[rodhulk]

1) I like the Beyonder.

2) When the Beyonder had his power retconned, wasn't it that he never actually had the power but was just made to believe he had?

3) Where does Jesus and Jehovah God fit in this since we keep bringing up God? Is there actually a GOD who exists who is really above all but remains hidden through all this stuff?

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

May want to check those links. All I see are red x's.

Wierd, I see them clearly.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

LOL

Like being able to control molecules would even matter to an abstract being

I was refering to Pre-retcon Molecule man.
The watchers knew that the room with every abstract wouldent be able to even harm Beyonder.
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abstractsbegbeyonder2wr7.jpg

Yet they begged Molecule man. Because they thought he would win.
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uatubeggingmmbo6.jpg

He whom had recreated the Multi-verse with a finger.
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdestructionacrossmultiverse2gv0.jpg

Sadly it wasent enough for Beyonder:
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mmyy0.jpg

 

[Guyverjay]

Still nothing to the Living tribunal

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

1) I like the Beyonder.

Well that's why the thread is made, to attract Beyonder fans.

2) When the Beyonder had his power retconned, wasn't it that he never actually had the power but was just made to believe he had?

It is still canon, it just wasent mentioned.
It's like a sileced thing that only the abstract know about.

And the Living Tribunal even states (in a later issues) that due to Beyonder.
The reace of Beyonder's can violate the Multi-verse.
And are immue to beings bonded to the Multi-verse such as the Living Tribunal.
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shistory5wo5.jpg

3) Where does Jesus and Jehovah God fit in this since we keep bringing up God? Is there actually a GOD who exists who is really above all but remains hidden through all this stuff?

Well, the term "God" was not used for the sake of power.
He wanted people to like him, love him, offer their lives to him.

So he remade the Bible and Koran ect. So he would be know as the creator.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Still nothing to the Living tribunal

Look at the abstracts... The living Tribunal is there with them
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.jpg
They are nothing compared to the Beyonder.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7022076

And the Watchers know it, still they think that Molecule man's unmessureable powers can match the Beyonder's.

 

[Guyverjay]

I don't give a crap

The molecule man in ANY guise is NOT above the LT

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I don't give a crap

The molecule man in ANY guise is NOT above the LT

I just proved that pre-retcon Molecule man surpassed the Living Tribunal.

 

[Guyverjay]

You proved nothing

Molecule man is just that a MAN and wouldn't beat the LT in a fight EVER

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You proved nothing

Molecule man is just that a MAN and wouldn't beat the LT in a fight EVER

He came with Beyonder to the Marvel Multi-verse.
Molecule man was like a paracite on Beyonder's power.

Beyonder was the sum of Beyond.
And Molecule had access to that realm and knead on it's power.
But still a drop of the Beyond realm was enough to make your power unmessurable.

The Watchers was then well aware of the powers of all the abstract's.
And knew that they were nothing compared to the Beyonder.

But since Molecule man had a bit of Beyonder's power they couldent scale his power and thought he were equal to the Beyonder.

However:
Beyonder [under limitations] > Molecule man

 

[Spade]

You proved nothing

Molecule man is just that a MAN and wouldn't beat the LT in a fight EVER

Franklin Richards is just a man, and has so much power that he can make Galactus (a being of the Big Crunch, with the potential of a whole new Big Bang within him and wielding the Power Cosmic) acknowledge him as a possible equal.

If he could do that with most of his power still untapped, I don't think that the sheer power of the Molecule Man is beneath the Living Tribunal. In fact, to prove it, look at Uatu- why would he bend over to a mere mortal to get help? The same Owen Reece which you say is the weaker once equaled a limited Beyonder, who himself took a Phoenix blast at full power to the face without flinching.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Franklin Richards is just a man, and has so much power that he can make Galactus (a being of the Big Crunch, with the potential of a whole new Big Bang within him and wielding the Power Cosmic) acknowledge him as a possible equal.

If he could do that with most of his power still untapped, I don't think that the sheer power of the Molecule Man is beneath the Living Tribunal. In fact, to prove it, look at Uatu- why would he bend over to a mere mortal to get help? The same Owen Reece which you say is the weaker once equaled a limited Beyonder, who himself took a Phoenix blast at full power to the face without flinching.

Franklin is one fascinating character.
He at the age of five made a cube-universe.

And in an alternate universe he replaced Galactus and killed a celestial in one blast. -- Here of course he have reached his full potential.

The only mutants that are stronger would be:
1. Phoenix - Jean
2. Hyperion
3. Phoenix - Rachel Summers
4. Onslaught (Franklin, X-man, Magneto, Xavier)
5. Classic Cable?

Red text = stronger than Franklin ever could be.
Black text = stronger than 5 year old Franklin

 

[Paul777]

The race of Beyonders are still above Eternity.
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinitesdl7.jpg

Each one of them.

What's that from, out of curiousity?

 

[Aidan06]

can someone please explain to me what the hell the beyonder is? because if hes as powerful as the scans state and as powerful as you make him sound i can't imagine any other being comparing, even TOAA...anyone else feel that way XD?