After 28 yrs in prison, man can't handle world of cellphones & computers

[Franklin Richards]

Has anyone tried to buy a non flatscreen TV?

 

[Erzengel]

Possibly, but my main point is less about "they should be given video games" and more about "they shouldn't be forced to only eat bologna sandwiches and wear pink underwear and prisons should focus on rehabilitation, creating programs to help people come to see their shortcomings and overcome them instead of making prisoners as miserable as posible as that approach to running prisons is not only inhumane but actually detrimental to protecting society."

Studies show that prison systems with punishment as their primary goal produce people who are social outcasts with few life skills and stunted emotional development who's reasons for commiting crimes in the first plae have been compounded, and as a result crime rates and reoffense rates are much higher. Prisons that actually focus on rehabilitation result in the opposite.

And I read studies that therapy and rehabilitation for sex offenders that there's very little evidence that shows that it works.

Now,in theory more money could be put in and different forms of rehabilitation but there's no definite guarantee that that it would work.

I feel that there are always going to be those who are going to be beyond rehabilitation. I really doubt giving PS2s and the internet to gang bangers and sex offenders are going to result in them realizing their errors of their way.

 

[cryptic name]

I bet no one ever got there unjustly. Or was being punished long after he had paid for his crimes. Or became a number for a criminal justice corporate state sponsored juggernaut. Mandatory Minimums. Or was a bastille to lock up the poor. Or a solution to the colored problem.

No. Eff them indeed.

Yeah, we've gotta do something about all these bastilles. Everywhere I turn; bastilles.

 

[cryptic name]

People keep using the term flatscreen TV like it's a gold toilet or something. Every tv you can buy in a store is flatscreen. There's no such thing as a non-flatscreen tv.

 

[DBryan]

Now,in theory more money could be put in and different forms of rehabilitation but there's no definite guarantee that that it would work.

You need to get your head out of the sand. There's plenty of evidence in the countries in which rehabilitation is a focus that it severely decreases the number of re-offenders going back to prison.

What this is really about is justifying an emotional need to punish people, even at the expense of increased crime.

 

[Erzengel]

For serial rapists? For gang bangers? Really?

 

[Franklin Richards]

That would make sense if prisons were filled with those criminals. Sadly our prisons are filled with debtors and paperwork violators.

As for Modern Day Bastilles, ever been to Colorado?

 

[kane9321]

F this guy..i dont feel sad for him

 

[Lord]

So why what this guy arrested for?

 

[Franklin Richards]

He got into a fight with some other guy over 97$. He said it was self defense but he ended up fatally stabbing the guy.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He'll love it once he gets a DVR.

 

[Franklin Richards]

He should have just moved to Canada.

 

[The Question]

And I read studies that therapy and rehabilitation for sex offenders that there's very little evidence that shows that it works.

Sex offenders are not the same as violent offenders. Their psychopathology is completely different.

Now,in theory more money could be put in and different forms of rehabilitation but there's no definite guarantee that that it would work.

There's never a definite guarantee that any approach will work in a case by case basis when talking about psychology. But statistics prove that correctional systems that focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment have a much lower rate of reoffense and the surrounding areas have a much lower violent crime rate.

I feel that there are always going to be those who are going to be beyond rehabilitation. I really doubt giving PS2s and the internet to gang bangers and sex offenders are going to result in them realizing their errors of their way.

That may be true (although in the case of gangbangers their motivations for their crimes usually result from issues of their self image and desire to be a part of a larger community, so programs designed to give them a healthy social environment and improve that self image would probably be very benificial), but I don't see any compelling reason not to other than catharsis. And not turning to a system and methodology that, on average, has a significantly higher success rate than the one we use just for catharsis is incredibly dumb.

For serial rapists? For gang bangers? Really?

Yes. Really. Most criminals are not inherently and irredeemably evil, they are products of their environment and the consequences of their own poor decision making.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Tough ****. Wouldn't be an issue in the first place if they didn't go and get themselves thrown in prison.

so you're saying that anyone sent to prison not only deserves it, but should essentially just be locked up for the rest of there life no matter the crime?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So giving them PS2s and internet will help them do that?

I don't agree with them getting things like that. But I do feel those who are about a year away from getting out should have some sort of "adjustment" education to contribute back to society, so we don't have to keep paying for them in prison.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

also... I think there's a big difference between rehabilitation and adjusting to modern times than "special treatment" I don't think things like video games, and other forms of entertainment should be allowed though. They shouldn't get rewarded for being in prison, but educated for when they get out is perfectly ok. In the end, it saves us all from more crime, as well as having to pay for them

 

[Pink Ranger]

I've actually had similar thoughts to this man's predicament myself: my dad died in 1984, and sometimes I wonder what his reaction would be if he came back to life today. ("Wait, why the hell are there 2 NHL teams in Florida?")

Especially since he was a stereo fanatic, he missed about 2 whole generations of technology (CDs and then MP3s/digital music). His big expensive stereo that filled an entire room can now be outdone by the Bose that sits on my mother's kitchen counter.

 

[Darthphere]

so you're saying that anyone sent to prison not only deserves it, but should essentially just be locked up for the rest of there life no matter the crime?

When did I say that? Wow, lets calm down with the extreme exaggeration.

I will repeat, I don't feel sorry for the guy because he's confused by computers because he got his dumbass locked up for stabbing a guy. It's easy. You want to keep up with technology? Don't commit a crime that is going to keep you locked up for 20+ years. It's amazing how easy it is!

My thoughts are specifically about this case or similar cases. It has nothing to do with job training or educational programs. But even then, can't find a job after being released from prison because you don't know ****? Too ****ing bad. Don't ****ing go to to prison and cry about it later.

 

[SuperFerret]

What this is really about is justifying an emotional need to punish people, even at the expense of increased crime.

Pretty much.


Though it'd be cheaper to just kill 'em.

 

[GhostPoet]

I went to a prison in Virginia in 2002 (a tourist event with my family - for the hell of it), and the prisoners had PS2s, big screen TVs, and a library so expansive, that lawyers would come there to find books not found in the city library. In some prisons, the prisoners live better than we ever will.

I always wondered what prisons were like...besides what we see on TV. When you watch it on tv all the gaurds are corrupt and everyone is getting raped and shanked

 

[socool]

You know there's a problem when someone would rather be in jail than free.

 

[cryptic name]

He should have just moved to Canada.

There are some more positive things about Canada, but at the end of the day they don't have the freedom we have in the states. You can be arrested or fined for "hate speech" in Canada. And they have legitimate government censorship of film and art.

 

[The Question]

I always wondered what prisons were like...besides what we see on TV. When you watch it on tv all the gaurds are corrupt and everyone is getting raped and shanked

Prison rape and violence is a very serious problem in America's correctional facilities, as is abusive behavior on the part of prison staff.

 

[The Question]

I always wondered what prisons were like...besides what we see on TV. When you watch it on tv all the gaurds are corrupt and everyone is getting raped and shanked

Prison rape and violence is a very serious problem in America's correctional facilities, as is abusive behavior on the part of prison staff.

 

[Bat-Mite]

There are some more positive things about Canada, but at the end of the day they don't have the freedom we have in the states. You can be arrested or fined for "hate speech" in Canada. And they have legitimate government censorship of film and art.

Canada has had legalized gay marriage for years now and it may be decades before we get that nationally legalized in America. I'm no fan of censorship, but it's a very hard case to make that America is more free than Canada when openly gay people have only recently been allowed to serve in the US military. If I had to choose between being able to burn a cross or being able to marry someone of the same gender, it wouldn't be a tough decision for me to make.