Aftermath of Civil War: What have you heard

[Deathlok2001]

I heard a rumor that after civil war:

New Avengers will be dis assembled

a possible west coast Avengers will start up agin

Possible Alpha Flight get together

 

[SouLeSS]

I heard that Onslaught will be the one responsible for all of this, and Peter Parker will go bat**** insane and take on the role as Venom for a while.

 

[Darthphere]

We havent really heard anything concrete, all of that is conjecture.

 

[Harlekin]

- Black Bolt will destroy an American city.
- Captain America will go underground in either Canada or Mexico. Probably Mexico.
- Iron Man will have been manipulated by other forces.
- Kang is set to appear.
- Guardian (from Alpha Flight) will reassemble the Avengers.

 

[GNR]

I've heard nothing but speculation originating from fanboys.

 

[Darthphere]

- Black Bolt will destroy an American city.
- Captain America will go underground in either Canada or Mexico. Probably Mexico.
- Iron Man will have been manipulated by other forces.
- Kang is set to appear.
- Guardian (from Alpha Flight) will reassemble the Avengers.

The first one is totally going to happen.

 

[Brainiac 8]

There will be a flash of white light, and you'll find out Wanda was behind the whole thing.

Then She'll say "No more heroes."

At that point 99% of the hero population will lose their abilities, which will only affect the D-listers and a couple of A-listers for shock value and a few issues later gain their powers back.

Then we'll have issue after issue of spin off stories that have no real bearing on the stream of things. And Wolverine will form the New New Avengers.

 

[bored]

Cap and Iron Man will fight a bit, get bored, and go kidnap a Hand ninja and man-rape him.

 

[Dread]

From RUMORS, combined with some of my own predictions, my thoughts on the CW aftermath:

- Death, destruction, a shattering of some old ties amungst characters. Y'know, the usual approach to an event. The problem with events is that they serve mainly to provide shock value because of destruction, but string along too many in a row and suddenly you're not CREATING anything of value to destroy, and theY simply become cash-injectors. Welcome to 1997.

- Some C-Listers who survive and serve prominant roles may become popular enough to relaunch in a team book or something. Speedball, the Warriors, even the Champions have gotten a shot out of CW that they haven't seen in years.

- The Richards may have a divorce. The conflict over CW is putting strain on the marriage of Reed & Sue, and some covers may suggest they split up, either officially with a, gasp, legal seperation, or a conveluted, "let's stay married so they can undo it in a heartbeat when it wares thin, but seperate so we can sleep around and have romantic angst with other people", sort of like what happened between MJ and Peter until, coincidentally, SPIDER-MAN and its sequal jazzed up movie audiences.

- Cap & Iron Man fight.

- The Liberals win. What? Do you really expect the SHRA to survive as it is? They'd have to change the entire operational genre, and even Marvel's not that mad.

- There will be some underlying "conspiracy" revealed. Leading to the heroes and the public being "tricked" by someone in government or a hero or even the administration itself.

- Spider-Man will be written into a corner that he should have known better to avoid, and it will add yet another shark for him to jump to overcome it.

- Any SHIELD soldiers will be depicted as jack-booted sociopathic thugs, just to what extent may vary. Mark Millar hates soldiers of ANY kind.

- Some people are predicting that Iron Man himself may be the "master manipulator", but I'm refusing to buy it because it would so remove Iron Man from the realm of being a hero that anyone would want to root for or buy a title about that it would amount to the sort of "character suicide" that requires clones, mind-wipes, brainwashing or time travel hooey to "explain away" (especially since, yep, he has a movie coming too. Marvel are shameless pimps when it comes to knowtowing to their own films).

- It will be more rivetting and exciting than HOM.

- Marvel will allow approximately 3-4 months for the "dust to settle", if that, before they announce their NEXT event: MARVEL 'ROIDS: THE SEARCH FOR MORE SALES.

- It will once again "blur" the line between heroes and villians in Marvel, something they insist on doing in a superhero universe that seems to rely on there being villians who do bad crap and heroes who stop 'em.

- There will be a "supervillian response" of some kind after the SHRA gives them a golden oppurtunity to either:

1). Commit crimes while their arch-enemy hero is busy running from the law
2). Join the Feds and become an agent, being PAID to track down their heroic rivals, a deal that's been around for villians longer than SHRA has been around; the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Sabretooth, Puppet Master, Venom, etc. have all been bonafide "agents" at some point if they agreed to play along with Uncle Sam.
3). Use data that is stored about Registered heroes to attack the heroes and their families (something Spider-Man is being set up for). Granted, aside for Spider-Man, hardly any of the Registered heroes actually have friends or families that aren't superpowered.

And hopefully that supervillian "response" won't suck. Marvel's been so busy on blurring the lines between heroes and villians for the past 2 years than they've only been relying on a handful of honest villians for a while, and unlike DC's Society, they never are able to mobilize and mount much threat. They're more interesting to read about, but they usually either remain stagnant, get overused to death, or become superheroes.

- Gone ignored will be why there was never an efficient SHIELD or gov't striketeam available to efficiently stop supervillians from robbing banks, but they can flawlessly hunt down and capture any un-registered superhero who stops a mugging?

 

[Trigger]

From RUMORS, combined with some of my own predictions, my thoughts on the CW aftermath:

- Death, destruction, a shattering of some old ties amungst characters. Y'know, the usual approach to an event. The problem with events is that they serve mainly to provide shock value because of destruction, but string along too many in a row and suddenly you're not CREATING anything of value to destroy, and theY simply become cash-injectors. Welcome to 1997.

- Some C-Listers who survive and serve prominant roles may become popular enough to relaunch in a team book or something. Speedball, the Warriors, even the Champions have gotten a shot out of CW that they haven't seen in years.

- The Richards may have a divorce. The conflict over CW is putting strain on the marriage of Reed & Sue, and some covers may suggest they split up, either officially with a, gasp, legal seperation, or a conveluted, "let's stay married so they can undo it in a heartbeat when it wares thin, but seperate so we can sleep around and have romantic angst with other people", sort of like what happened between MJ and Peter until, coincidentally, SPIDER-MAN and its sequal jazzed up movie audiences.

- Cap & Iron Man fight.

- The Liberals win. What? Do you really expect the SHRA to survive as it is? They'd have to change the entire operational genre, and even Marvel's not that mad.

- There will be some underlying "conspiracy" revealed. Leading to the heroes and the public being "tricked" by someone in government or a hero or even the administration itself.

- Spider-Man will be written into a corner that he should have known better to avoid, and it will add yet another shark for him to jump to overcome it.

- Any SHIELD soldiers will be depicted as jack-booted sociopathic thugs, just to what extent may vary. Mark Millar hates soldiers of ANY kind.

- Some people are predicting that Iron Man himself may be the "master manipulator", but I'm refusing to buy it because it would so remove Iron Man from the realm of being a hero that anyone would want to root for or buy a title about that it would amount to the sort of "character suicide" that requires clones, mind-wipes, brainwashing or time travel hooey to "explain away" (especially since, yep, he has a movie coming too. Marvel are shameless pimps when it comes to knowtowing to their own films).

- It will be more rivetting and exciting than HOM.

- Marvel will allow approximately 3-4 months for the "dust to settle", if that, before they announce their NEXT event: MARVEL 'ROIDS: THE SEARCH FOR MORE SALES.

- It will once again "blur" the line between heroes and villians in Marvel, something they insist on doing in a superhero universe that seems to rely on there being villians who do bad crap and heroes who stop 'em.

- There will be a "supervillian response" of some kind after the SHRA gives them a golden oppurtunity to either:

1). Commit crimes while their arch-enemy hero is busy running from the law
2). Join the Feds and become an agent, being PAID to track down their heroic rivals, a deal that's been around for villians longer than SHRA has been around; the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Sabretooth, Puppet Master, Venom, etc. have all been bonafide "agents" at some point if they agreed to play along with Uncle Sam.
3). Use data that is stored about Registered heroes to attack the heroes and their families (something Spider-Man is being set up for). Granted, aside for Spider-Man, hardly any of the Registered heroes actually have friends or families that aren't superpowered.

And hopefully that supervillian "response" won't suck. Marvel's been so busy on blurring the lines between heroes and villians for the past 2 years than they've only been relying on a handful of honest villians for a while, and unlike DC's Society, they never are able to mobilize and mount much threat. They're more interesting to read about, but they usually either remain stagnant, get overused to death, or become superheroes.

- Gone ignored will be why there was never an efficient SHIELD or gov't striketeam available to efficiently stop supervillians from robbing banks, but they can flawlessly hunt down and capture any un-registered superhero who stops a mugging?

Another reason why you're one of the best posters on this board. I totally agree with everything you said.

 

[Dread]

Another reason why you're one of the best posters on this board. I totally agree with everything you said.

Thank you.

- I also see that if the "aftermath" of CW sees the SHRA being scaled back to be less extreme (such as superhero registration being VOLUNTARY, and those watching for "unregistered" heroes better able to tell the difference between Thunderclap and the Young Avengers), that a team of gov't sactioned heroes, perhaps a bunch of C-Listers and a B-Lister or two given more "airtime" from CW could sell decently as a sort of striketeam sort of thing.

At least for the first 3 issues. Then Marvel'd fail to support it, and it'd slowly lose sales and get canned after a year while Marvel's moved onto other things like a toddler with ADHD. But its possible.

 

[GoblinScrier]

The only thing guaranteed is that from the ashes of the Civil War, ONSLAUGHT is REBORN. With the Civil War ending in November, Onslaught Reborn starts that same month...What is it with Marvel not ever giving their heroes a chance to breathe...one massive crossover after the next. Well, personally, Onslaught is a welcome breath of fresh air...

"Human or mutant, no will survive Onslaught. No one is worthy. Now, behold my mighty hand!"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahahaha, you guys were serious about Onslaught? I thought that was a joke.

Ah, Marvel. Proving to me time and again that the idea of learning from mistakes is a silly and outdated concept.

 

[Darthphere]

Its for charity.

 

[Dread]

The only thing guaranteed is that from the ashes of the Civil War, ONSLAUGHT is REBORN. With the Civil War ending in November, Onslaught Reborn starts that same month...What is it with Marvel not ever giving their heroes a chance to breathe...one massive crossover after the next. Well, personally, Onslaught is a welcome breath of fresh air...

"Human or mutant, no will survive Onslaught. No one is worthy. Now, behold my mighty hand!"

Marvel seems to be on a kick to turn their heroes into villians with events. Seriously. HOM relied on making Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver into "villians" after a good 15 or so years in real time of nothing but heroism (and even some evil blips during the 90's or so were very brief). Emma Frost, who started as a villian but has also been a heroine for a good 12+ years in real time, is back to being bad again in ASTONISHING. CW is relying on heroes fighting heroes, and are specifically making Iron Man a bit antagonistic. Even Professor Xavier has had "evil" things tacked onto his character with DANGEROUS and DEADLY GENESIS, whereas Magneto is almost back to anti-hero status.

Onslaught is at least a bonafide villian. Of course, he was a villian birthed from the corruption of Xavier's psyche, a plot point that's become about as tired as Ultimate Spider-Man losing his mask.

To me Onslaught was sort of like Marvel's closest attempt to a DBZ villian, this impossibly powerful being with a clunky design and melodramatic dialogue who seemed to have a problem with damn near EVERYONE. He hated humans for mistreating mutants. He hated mutants because they didn't mobilize better to defend themselves/get revenge. And he hated non-mutant "heroes" for hypocritically gaining fame simply because they're NOT mutants (and doing almost nothing to improve mutant relations). But mainly he was just a massive spikey threat that needed a lot of people to pound. Maybe if Marvel was better able to handle and create supervillians, we wouldn't need to truck out Onslaught again. Granted, nearly every cosmic or near cosmic level bad guy from Thanos to Magus always returns eventually.

And yeah, so much for downtime. And nay to Liefield returning. I mean, seriously, just put him on welfare and stop letting him draw more comics. I'd be willing to send Marvel a check for $2.99 just to NOT have him draw. They should seriously try that. They've blatently tried to squeeze dollars from their fanbase in less obvious ways.

 

[hippy fascist]

I know I may be stating the obvious here but...

A spidey villain takes the life of may or mj (possibly norman?)
Spidey goes nuts
Kills said villain
Goes all broody and emo/psychotic
12 months of **** spiderman

 

[spideyboy_1111]

aunt may can die.. but ill be utterly pissed if MJ does

 

[GoblinScrier]

What I wish is that Doctor Doom get his own mega sized crossover. The last 616 one was Secret Wars where he was a main focus and or "Acts of Vengeance" where he played a constant role but small appearances. In 2099, he was the central and key figure in "One Nation Under Doom." That was an incredible storyline.

There were his appearances in the climax of Onslaught and of course, Heroes Reborn as well.

Now with him returned from Hell and having reclaimed Latveria plus trying and failing to pick up the hammer of Thor, what could Doom do next that would stun the world?

 

[PWN3R]

haha! Wow. I have come to this conclusion.

Dread is F-ing awesome!

 

[The Cleric]

wow ranger ....sounds like you want to get on your knees and tell him how much you love him

 

[PWN3R]

wow ranger ....sounds like you want to get on your knees and tell him how much you love him

yeah

That exactly what I meant by my post! Good job!


Anyone remember that rumor that Cap was gonna reform the Alpha Flight?

ha...good stuff.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I know I may be stating the obvious here but...

A spidey villain takes the life of may or mj (possibly norman?)
Spidey goes nuts
Kills said villain
Goes all broody and emo/psychotic
12 months of **** spiderman

So he goes emo Ion?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Hahahaha, you guys were serious about Onslaught? I thought that was a joke.

Ah, Marvel. Proving to me time and again that the idea of learning from mistakes is a silly and outdated concept.

Yeah, Onslaught is gonna be bad. But so far it sounds like its going to its own mini, not a major cross-over event. So it can suck on its own page space.

 

[Fading]

My personal guess, just instinct, no fact lol, but - (Dread's post got me thinking, which is why some of what I posted comes from him lol)

1. Something big does happen in Spiderman's life. Enough to warrent the emo pics of him, and him returning to his origional suit and going against Tony. I doubt it's Aunt May's death (but could be wrong). My guess is something in the line of MJ killed or put in a coma by a villain attack, SM sees how the Registration Act can cause more situations like this and changes sides against it. During this time of MJ being dead, or in a coma he somehow hooks back up with Gwen Stacy. I don't know her current status, thought she was dead, but the marvel movies influence the comics (which I hate) and Gwen Stacy (played by the chick from The village) is knocking MJ (Dunst) out of the romance scenes. Meaning Movie Spidey + Gwen, likely means comic Spidey + Gwen somehow, meaning MJ outta the picture.

2. Some young avengers die. The remaining YA join with Cap and a few others (maybe a returning Hawk Eye and Thor) and reform the Avengers. With Cap and Tony going at eachothers throats they prob won't be in the Avengers together again for a bit, but Marvel has to have an Avengers title.

3. Cap and IM fight. Iron Man almost is ready to kill cap, then crackling thunder. You see a blip of a foot and tip of Thor's hammer. Then Thor proceeds to beat the holy hell outta Iron Man.

4. It's revealed Iron Man's been outta wack because of the Extremis (Spell Check?). Think it's obvious that most likely not every hero will have to get registered, it's too far a step to take in one series, and would have too big of consequences in every book. Plus there would be no point in masks in all reality anymore. So if IM is on the losing side, but he's got a movie coming out like above, they won't kill him or make him go away for awhile. He needs some excuse to explain why he did what he did other than his feelings, because he's hiring villains and lieing, and being set up as the ring leader of the "bad" side.

5. New Avengers don't regroup. Wolverine and Spiderman can now go around showing their nifty "I was an Avenger" tags. Spiderman will have tons of problems in his life, and something will probably draw Wolverine back to the X-Men (not that he isn't in a title or two, but I think Marvel's starting to understand their writing him in too many places at once).

6. Agreed on the F4 Reeds and Sue marriage break up or separation. Overall some shake-up in the F4. I like them, their Marvel's first family, but I think they get stale from time to time. They tend to use big cross overs as jump starts to get them popular again I think.

7. When the CW ends, there will be tons of Villains out of their cells, and like said above many of the B-C lvl villains and hero's will get pushes. Suddenly villains we haven't seen in years will need to be caught, and they'll have attitude changes, and seem more badass.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

My personal guess, just instinct, no fact lol, but - (Dread's post got me thinking, which is why some of what I posted comes from him lol)

1. Something big does happen in Spiderman's life. Enough to warrent the emo pics of him, and him returning to his origional suit and going against Tony. I doubt it's Aunt May's death (but could be wrong). My guess is something in the line of MJ killed or put in a coma by a villain attack, SM sees how the Registration Act can cause more situations like this and changes sides against it. During this time of MJ being dead, or in a coma he somehow hooks back up with Gwen Stacy. I don't know her current status, thought she was dead, but the marvel movies influence the comics (which I hate) and Gwen Stacy (played by the chick from The village) is knocking MJ (Dunst) out of the romance scenes. Meaning Movie Spidey + Gwen, likely means comic Spidey + Gwen somehow, meaning MJ outta the picture.

I really hope this is a joke...... but Gwen's been dead for over about 40 years... she's not coming back

2. Some young avengers die. The remaining YA join with Cap and a few others (maybe a returning Hawk Eye and Thor) and reform the Avengers. With Cap and Tony going at eachothers throats they prob won't be in the Avengers together again for a bit, but Marvel has to have an Avengers title.

No YA will be dying...

3. Cap and IM fight. Iron Man almost is ready to kill cap, then crackling thunder. You see a blip of a foot and tip of Thor's hammer. Then Thor proceeds to beat the holy hell outta Iron Man.

one could hope Iron man gets the beating of his life... lol hes been a dick lately.. but doubt it will play out like you say

4. It's revealed Iron Man's been outta wack because of the Extremis (Spell Check?). Think it's obvious that most likely not every hero will have to get registered, it's too far a step to take in one series, and would have too big of consequences in every book. Plus there would be no point in masks in all reality anymore. So if IM is on the losing side, but he's got a movie coming out like above, they won't kill him or make him go away for awhile. He needs some excuse to explain why he did what he did other than his feelings, because he's hiring villains and lieing, and being set up as the ring leader of the "bad" side.

maybe hes being manipulated?

5. New Avengers don't regroup. Wolverine and Spiderman can now go around showing their nifty "I was an Avenger" tags. Spiderman will have tons of problems in his life, and something will probably draw Wolverine back to the X-Men (not that he isn't in a title or two, but I think Marvel's starting to understand their writing him in too many places at once).

ummm even though wolvie is with the NA, hes still with the X-men.. and never left so why would he need to come back?

6. Agreed on the F4 Reeds and Sue marriage break up or separation. Overall some shake-up in the F4. I like them, their Marvel's first family, but I think they get stale from time to time. They tend to use big cross overs as jump starts to get them popular again I think.

i'd like to see them at least have a huge fight maybe split for a lil.. its obvious the fan 4 fall apart, but wont be perminant.. never is.

7. When the CW ends, there will be tons of Villains out of their cells, and like said above many of the B-C lvl villains and hero's will get pushes. Suddenly villains we haven't seen in years will need to be caught, and they'll have attitude changes, and seem more badass.

i just wonder what hero's are dying...