Akira Toriyama to give video message before Dragonball Evolution

[Alchemyst]

i'm glad that Toriyama is opening his mind and all, considering DB is his baby...but i think it's disturbing that they needed to have a letter like this in the first place. i don't remember any reports of Stan Lee pleading to his fans to give SM1 a chance. i could always be wrong, but if this movie is struggling just to gain fan support then i doubt it will gain much attention from non-fans.

good point, never thought of that

 

[Cartman Blues]

i'm glad that Toriyama is opening his mind and all, considering DB is his baby...but i think it's disturbing that they needed to have a letter like this in the first place. i don't remember any reports of Stan Lee pleading to his fans to give SM1 a chance. i could always be wrong, but if this movie is struggling just to gain fan support then i doubt it will gain much attention from non-fans.

SM1 didn't have as much controversy. People got over the switch from Gwen to MJ and Power Ranger GG really fast. But I was like 7 so I wouldn't know.t: I think this is to make people realize it's an adaption, lol.

 

[CrashNburn]

i'm glad that Toriyama is opening his mind and all, considering DB is his baby...but i think it's disturbing that they needed to have a letter like this in the first place. i don't remember any reports of Stan Lee pleading to his fans to give SM1 a chance. i could always be wrong, but if this movie is struggling just to gain fan support then i doubt it will gain much attention from non-fans.

but considering the size of the fanbase, dont you think that would be enough to make it a big success?

 

[Brad Redfield]

From what I've seen so far, this remains surprisingly respectful to the source anyway, so the lack of enthusiasm from so many is worthy of a face-palm in and of itself.

You can't exactly blame people after hearing that Goku is in high school lusting after Chi-Chi while desiring to be a normal kid...which then leads to him ditching his grandpa irresponsibly and that leads to his death and final words,"Remember Goku...with great power comes great responsibility."

...waitaminute...what movie is this supposed to be again?

 

[Fantastic-Boy]

Thanks!

 

[Superwoman Prime]

You can't exactly blame people after hearing that Goku is in high school lusting after Chi-Chi while desiring to be a normal kid...which then leads to him ditching his grandpa irresponsibly and that leads to his death and final words,"Remember Goku...with great power comes great responsibility."

...waitaminute...what movie is this supposed to be again?

Spider-Balls.

And don't the high school segments end pretty quickly? It's not like his fight with Piccolo will be a food fight in a school cafeteria. So really, tell me what the big deal about this is to you.

And why the heck do you want Goku to be asexual during his teenage years? Unless I'm tripping on LSD, he does end up having a son named Gohan in the manga/anime.

I'd rather see a teen Goku in a live-action DB than kid. That's just me, though. Since he is a teenager in this, the few other consequential changes make some sense. As long as those few changes don't bog down the film, which they don't seem to be at all, I'm perfectly okay with it.

 

[dark_b]

i think highschool scenes with the goku from the cartoon could be pretty funny . but not a guy who wants to fit in. its IMO to much like ptere parker

 

[Da-Scribe]

i think highschool scenes with the goku from the cartoon could be pretty funny . but not a guy who wants to fit in. its IMO to much like ptere parker

How about we keep it DB related and say it's too much like Gohan.

 

[Antrax255]

I thought we agreed that this is DBE not DB.

 

[dark_b]

How about we keep it DB related and say it's too much like Gohan.

forgot about gohan. now that i think about it............it is a little like gohan. and chi chi is a little like Videl right.

 

[Da-Scribe]

forgot about gohan. now that i think about it............it is a little like gohan. and chi chi is a little like Videl right.

Yup yup! t:

 

[Brad Redfield]

So really, tell me what the big deal about this is to you.

Because its an unnecessary (not to mention incredibly lazy) way of introducing the character and trying to make him "relatable", perhaps?

And why the heck do you want Goku to be asexual during his teenage years? Unless I'm tripping on LSD, he does end up having a son named Gohan in the manga/anime.

Because Goku isn't a guy who lusts after women. The guy cares about two things: Food and fighting. Him getting together with Chi-Chi was the result of a misunderstanding, not him wanting to bang her.

Let me ask you a question: Now that their roles have been reversed in this relationship, what's going to make Chi-Chi stand out now that she isn't lusting after Goku? What's going to stop people from comparing her to Mary Jane?

I'd rather see a teen Goku in a live-action DB than kid. That's just me, though.

Didn't say making him a teenager was a bad idea--

Since he is a teenager in this, the few other consequential changes make some sense.

--but turning him into a near Peter Parker clone is. Just because he's a teenager, doesn't mean you have to write him like every other one. Its lazy writing and outright contradicts the source material.

Every defender I see for this movie goes,"Oh, the high school bits are only in the movie for the first ten/fifteen minutes!"

...uhhh...I would like to enjoy the whole movie, not 80% of it.

 

[Da-Scribe]

So in other words you want your protagonist to be flat and show no character development? Every superhero movie or film epic has some romantic subplot. and so long as it doesn't take over the film it helps the film avoid being one dimensional. Show me where else in this film you could've accomplished that. I somehow doubt a Piccolo/Mai romance would've been critical gold.

So what if she's comparable to Mary Jane. So is Rachel Dawes. So is Betty Ross. At the end of the day Chi Chi can defend herself, something true to her character and something none of those other lady leads could do.

 

[kaypain]

The school stuff seems enjoyable, from what I read it seems pretty funny

 

[StylishHokie21]

It seems pretty lame actually. Ben Ramsey is a terrible screenwriter. Why couldn't they get an real screenwriter?

 

[Water Wagon]

James Wong took over and changed alot of Ben Ramseys crap.

 

[Alchemyst]

James Wong took over and changed alot of Ben Ramseys crap.

He "evolved" the script

 

[Cartman Blues]

I just was reading through an old Beckett DBZ magazine? And guess what I saw? An article about fan castings in a DBZ movie because at the time (in 2003) Toryama met with FOX apparently, and said the exact same thing as he does in the video about a new dimension of Dragonball. Guess he has the same mindset about the movie as he ever did! I'll try to scan it, but it was the 9th edition of the versions that are bigger and are released like every 6 months or something, so try to find it. It was orange with a little stick on picture of Goku and Vegeta that can be animated.

 

[Alchemyst]

I just was reading through an old Beckett DBZ magazine? And guess what I saw? An article about fan castings in a DBZ movie because at the time (in 2003) Toryama met with FOX apparently, and said the exact same thing as he does in the video about a new dimension of Dragonball. Guess he has the same mindset about the movie as he ever did! I'll try to scan it, but it was the 9th edition of the versions that are bigger and are released like every 6 months or something, so try to find it. It was orange with a little stick on picture of Goku and Vegeta that can be animated.

Toriyama knew the evolution was coming, he had to get wit it

 

[Cartman Blues]

Toriyama knew the evolution was coming, he had to get wit it

t:

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Because its an unnecessary (not to mention incredibly lazy) way of introducing the character and trying to make him "relatable", perhaps?

It's only "lazy" depending on how they do it.

I'd like to know what would be more relatable to you, Brad. You seem to have an aversion to high school, even though from what we know, there's only a few scenes there. When you go after something so minor, it's nitpicking. And all I've seen are nitpicks really, which is good news for the more open minded people amongst us. That says to me that Fox is pretty close to being on the right track with this DB adaptation. Believe it or not.

Because Goku isn't a guy who lusts after women. The guy cares about two things: Food and fighting. Him getting together with Chi-Chi was the result of a misunderstanding, not him wanting to bang her.

In the source material, he has a son.

It's not that big of a stretch or alteration to say he had a crush on her.

We'll call that nitpick numero dos.

Let me ask you a question: Now that their roles have been reversed in this relationship, what's going to make Chi-Chi stand out now that she isn't lusting after Goku? What's going to stop people from comparing her to Mary Jane?

These Spider-Man analogies from you have crossed over into weird zone.

Didn't say making him a teenager was a bad idea--

You now have my thoughts on it, though! Very valuable, hold onto them.

--but turning him into a near Peter Parker clone is. Just because he's a teenager, doesn't mean you have to write him like every other one. Its lazy writing and outright contradicts the source material.

What is your absolute favorite super hero film? I might like it also, but I can guarentee that at some point it outright contradicts the source material. I might be able to also point out where it was true enough to the spirit of things that it was overall "respectable" to the source material.

Every defender I see for this movie goes,"Oh, the high school bits are only in the movie for the first ten/fifteen minutes!"

...uhhh...I would like to enjoy the whole movie, not 80% of it.

Maybe when you're over the trauma of whatever it was that happened to you in high school that will absolutely STOP you from enjoying the high school segments whether they're good or bad, we can attend a theater together and see DB:E and take it at face value.

 

[SolarTiger]

Just because Goku had a son doesn't mean he lusted after her...pigs have babies but do they lust after one of another? I think he grew to like Chi Chi alot and maybe even love her a bit, but not during Dragonball.

 

[Alchemyst]

Just because Goku had a son doesn't mean he lusted after her...pigs have babies but do they lust after one of another? I think he grew to like Chi Chi alot and maybe even love her a bit, but not during Dragonball.

Goku wasn't worried about those ho's

 

[Brad Redfield]

It's only "lazy" depending on how they do it.

I'd like to know what would be more relatable to you, Brad.

Who said I wanted it to be relatable? This is Dragon Ball after all.

You seem to have an aversion to high school--

...I do?

I just think its a unnecessary addition to the film.

When you go after something so minor, it's nitpicking. And all I've seen are nitpicks really, which is good news for the more open minded people amongst us.

This is a viable criticism of the film.

What do you like about Goku as a character? I don't like him because he's relatable (which he isn't): I like him because he's a fun, happy go-lucky guy-- not someone who wishes to be a normal kid and win the heart of his high school sweetheart.

You can have him fight and eat a lot but if his attitude and personality are different, there's going to be a problem. Film Goku is lacking the charm of the original. That is my problem.

That is a justifiable criticism of the film. It isn't like I'm saying,"Hey, Goku isn't asian! Hey, he doesn't have black hair! He doesn't have mechanical web-shooters!" That is nitpicking.

In the source material, he has a son.

Yup, he sure does!

We'll call that nitpick numero dos.

Terrific!

What is your absolute favorite super hero film? I might like it also, but I can guarentee that at some point it outright contradicts the source material. I might be able to also point out where it was true enough to the spirit of things that it was overall "respectable" to the source material.

I don't have a favorite super hero movie. I'm equally critical of other adaptations, especially after having my hopes dashed with Fantastic Four. (Which I initially tried to hide by supporting it.)

Maybe when you're over the trauma of whatever it was that happened to you in high school that will absolutely STOP you from enjoying the high school segments whether they're good or bad, we can attend a theater together and see DB:E and take it at face value.

Wow. Nice job jumping to conclusions and making it personal dude!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's probably a suicide video letter.