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Alex Cross

Yep, Tyler Perry ranges from bad to downright terrible.
 
Perry does have talent, and this is not me talking out of admiration. I don't like the man all that much, but I respect what he's been able to do. Not many black guys in the industry have pulled it off having their own empire almost. He doesn't have to take cues from Hollywood, unless he wants to.
 
I can't have that much respect for anyone that builds their little empire on something so mediocre at best and mostly horrible.
 
Well, that's you. I don't know too many fellow black guys in the boat as the multitude of white guys like that.
 
Well, that's you. I don't know too many fellow black guys in the boat as the multitude of white guys like that.

I don't think race has anything to do with the quality of his product.
 
I can't have that much respect for anyone that builds their little empire on something so mediocre at best and mostly horrible.

Oh really? Here we have Black man who has successfully build his own empire and alienated himself from Hollywood's BS standards.Started from scratch. Doesn't let anybody change what he does, and he remains successful in what he does. Yet this isn't respectable? Whatever man, race does play a major part in his criticism and anyone who pretends it's not is just damn right delusional.

I could say the same thing about the stupid Jackass movies. But hey that's good comedy right? Critics praise it right? A bunch of idiots, a fat man, and a midget doing obnoxious, ******ed stunts. But this is so good of cinema that people spend money to watch it in the theaters.

Or Adam Sandler, who despite his mediocrity, is still successful with his movies.

Critics? who cares? Tyler sure doesn't, he's been doing this for years and never once has he let critics or anyone change it. He's open doors for many black actors and actresses who wouldn't see the light of day for a role outside a background role.

Even Tyler's best rated movie by critics at 60+% on rottentomatoes is in Imdb's Bottom 100. I Can Do Bad All By Myself, his best rated movie is in the Bottom 100. Despite a overall A- or something grade on Yahoo and a positive score on RT. And you want to tell me racism plays no part in it? Well maybe, maybe not, but there is general hate towards his work that isn't even valid.

The bottomline is, you don't follow under his niche, so I wouldn't even expect you to like his work. Are you religious? Do you like black comedy?


Do you like Black drama that doesn't require Black on Black crime to be considered good? i.e (Boyz N Tha Hood, Menace II Society)

Do you like Black drama that doesn't require a look back into civil rights, poverty, or something to do with black slaves? i.e (The Great Debaters, The Color Purple, Roots, etc..."

Yep, Tyler Perry ranges from bad to downright terrible.

Are you talking about his acting, writing, direction?

Because never I heard someone actually complain about his ACTING, maybe his writing, actually not many complain about his direction.
 
I'm black and although I do see Perry as a trail blazer for the reasons you mention I don't see how you can defend his actual movies artistically. And I've seen his acting and believe that he is a poor, bland actor as well as a bad director and writer.

Seeing how this is America, I'm sure that some of the Perry hate is racial in nature and white people simply "not getting" his material as he isn't any worst or artistically vapid than modern Adam Sandler (although Sandler is the better actor).

The bottom line is, it's not only white people who hate his so called drama movies. I'm religious (islam rather than Christian though) and black and I hate his movies and find a lot in them that is insulting to black people.

Ultimately I'm happy for Perry's success because maybe it will allow for more black movie mogals to come about and maybe those people he paved the way for will actually make some good product. His effect is more postive than negative but just barely.
 
My friend saw it and he said its so bad that it's intensely and absurdly fascinating. Now I want to see it!
 
I'm black and although I do see Perry as a trail blazer for the reasons you mention I don't see how you can defend his actual movies artistically. And I've seen his acting and believe that he is a poor, bland actor as well as a bad director and writer.

Seeing how this is America, I'm sure that some of the Perry hate is racial in nature and white people simply "not getting" his material as he isn't any worst or artistically vapid than modern Adam Sandler (although Sandler is the better actor).

The bottom line is, it's not only white people who hate his so called drama movies. I'm religious (islam rather than Christian though) and black and I hate his movies and find a lot in them that is insulting to black people.

Ultimately I'm happy for Perry's success because maybe it will allow for more black movie mogals to come about and maybe those people he paved the way for will actually make some good product. His effect is more postive than negative but just barely.

How does his movies insult black people when A. Are Christian themed B. Include successful black people C. Mostly end with a positive outlook

Since when did cinema become aristic all of a sudden. I'm not even defending this as an artistic output. I mean wtf is so artistic about Jackasss movies? You don't see people bashing that nonsense. Oh wait that's some good artistic cinema right there.

His effect is more than just barely positive. I don't see how anything he has done is negative compared to the rest of the crap that's being put out. If anything is insulting to any race is the Harold vs Kumar movies, especially the second one. But do you see people criticizing that crap for it? Nope but Tyler Perry is so insulting to black people. Fudge outta here.

Bottomline is people envy a black man's success especially one who made a name for himself in a tainted industry. Hollywood that is. Starting from nothing to owning his own studio. His movies are for his fans and his fans only. not to make oscar caliber movies or win over ratings in crappy rating system like at Imdb. Damn sure not to win over a bunch of superhero loving nerds. No offense intended.

Bland actor huh? With a character as colorful as Madea and then seeing him play himself next to her is so noticablu bland.
 
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How does his movies insult black people when A. Are Christian themed B. Include successful black people C. Mostly end with a positive outlook

Since when did cinema become aristic all of a sudden. I'm not even defending this as an artistic output. I mean wtf is so artistic about Jackasss movies? You don't see people bashing that nonsense. Oh wait that's some good artistic cinema right there.

His effect is more than just barely positive. I don't see how anything he has done is negative compared to the rest of the crap that's being put out. If anything is insulting to any race is the Harold vs Kumar movies, especially the second one. But do you see people criticizing that crap for it? Nope but Tyler Perry is so insulting to black people. Fudge outta here.

Bottomline is people envy a black man's success especially one who made a name for himself in a tainted industry. Hollywood that is. Starting from nothing to owning his own studio. His movies are for his fans and his fans only. not to make oscar caliber movies or win over ratings in crappy rating system like at Imdb. Damn sure not to win over a bunch of superhero loving nerds. No offense intended.

Bland actor huh? With a character as colorful as Madea and then seeing him play himself next to her is so noticablu bland.
I've never watched the Jackass movies because I was always disgusted by the very idea of those films. I don't know why anyone likes those films to be honest. And saying "compared to this!!!" doesn't negate what I said in anyway, I guess being stabbed by one person is better than being stabbed by two but either way you were still stabbed.

You seem to think that any criticism of Perry is race based and I'm telling you that I'm black and want to see more black people in movies but I want to see them in good films and Perry's films aren't even remotely good. It's fine if you and other black people and I'm sure some white and latinos like his films. Continue to watch them but I'm not going to let his movies off the hook just because he is black. I'm going to call them out when I think that they are terrible.

Regarding Perry as an actor; Any actor can be slightly interesting if you put him in a fat suit and wig and have him talk like a grandmother. (I think that his acting is terrible even in a fat suit and wig) You just proved my point that Perry was a bland as hell actor by admitting that he is only interesting when he puts on his clown clothes.

Thanks for proving my point. :cwink:
 
The Spill.com review is hilarious for those of you who haven't heard it.
 
I've never watched the Jackass movies because I was always disgusted by the very idea of those films. I don't know why anyone likes those films to be honest. And saying "compared to this!!!" doesn't negate what I said in anyway, I guess being stabbed by one person is better than being stabbed by two but either way you were still stabbed.

You seem to think that any criticism of Perry is race based and I'm telling you that I'm black and want to see more black people in movies but I want to see them in good films and Perry's films aren't even remotely good. It's fine if you and other black people and I'm sure some white and latinos like his films. Continue to watch them but I'm not going to let his movies off the hook just because he is black. I'm going to call them out when I think that they are terrible.

Regarding Perry as an actor; Any actor can be slightly interesting if you put him in a fat suit and wig and have him talk like a grandmother. (I think that his acting is terrible even in a fat suit and wig) You just proved my point that Perry was a bland as hell actor by admitting that he is only interesting when he puts on his clown clothes.

Thanks for proving my point. :cwink:
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How the **** am I being stabbed? And how am I proving your point. Regardless this argument is pointless because you don't like his movies. You saying you're black doesn't mean anything nor prove anything to me. You failed any of my questions. But don't bother its pointless. Nice try tho at using my words against me. My comment didn't prove anything to befenit your point but if you want to look at it that way, go ahead.

You don't know anybody who like the Jackass movies, well look on Imdb and look at the critics. That's all I'm saying. And yes I'm comparing it because its a valid comparison to the different cultures and type of comedy we black people do and the comedy white people do.

I never said his critism was JUST based on racism. I'm saying there's a generlized hating going for the man. I never even said his movies were great, not once did I said that. His movies are simple forms of entertainment. If he wanted to actually sit down and write Oscar material I'm sure he can. Is he worried about oscars? No. Is he worried about pleasing critics? Obviulsy not. Is he worried about his supportive fan base? Yes. So here you have a niche that of course will never be accepted by general critics. Because most critics dismiss Black comedy, drama or whatever unless like I said earlier. Deals with black on black crime, civil rights overcoming povety type crap. Tyler does more than play Madea, who is btw a character based on the woman in his life.

I didn't find his acting bland in why did I get married or good deeds, or his little cameo in star trek lol
 
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13% on RT after 91 reviews.

This is definitely this year's ABDUCTION & I must watch it.
 
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How the **** am I being stabbed?
It's a metaphor...duh.

And how am I proving your point. Regardless this argument is pointless because you don't like his movies. You saying you're black doesn't mean anything nor prove anything to me.
I said I was black because you seemed to be implying that only white people who don't understand black people hate his films. I'm black and I hate his films, that jackass Spike Lee is black and he doesn't like Perry's films. It's not just "evil" white people who have a problem with Perry's filmography.

You failed any of my questions. But don't bother its pointless. Nice try tho at using my words against me. My comment didn't prove anything to befenit your point but if you want to look at it that way, go ahead.
What are you a one man game show? How exactly can I fail your questions?

You don't know anybody who like the Jackass movies, well look on Imdb and look at the critics. That's all I'm saying. And yes I'm comparing it because its a valid comparison to the different cultures and type of comedy we black people do and the comedy white people do.
Reading comprehension is your friend fella. I said that I don't know why people like the Jackass movies? I've looked at the reviews and I still don't understand. Just like I don't understand why you and others like Perry's films.

I never said his critism was JUST based on racism. I'm saying there's a generlized hating going for the man.
There is a generlized hating going on for the man (artistically because he seems like a nice dude) because his movies aren't very good. It's the same reason people hate on Uwe Boll or Paul W.S. Anderson's movies. Hey, I just named two white dudes!

I never even said his movies were great, not once did I said that. His movies are simple forms of entertainment.
Yes, simple and bad. There is a such a thing as simple and good, I wish Mr. Perry would learn that.

If he wanted to actually sit down and write Oscar material I'm sure he can.
You are? That's surprising because For Colored Girls was his attempt at Oscar bait material and it was roundly panned by the critics. Why would he write poorly if he could easily just whip up Oscar worthy material?

Is he worried about oscars? No. Is he worried about pleasing critics? Obviulsy not.
Is he worried about making good or at least decent films? That's the real question one should be asking.

Is he worried about his supportive fan base? Yes. So here you have a niche that of course will never be accepted by general critics. Because most critics dismiss Black comedy, drama or whatever unless like I said earlier. Deals with black on black crime, civil rights overcoming povety type crap. Tyler does more than play Madea, who is btw a character based on the woman in his life.
The critics get it wrong a lot but I think they are correct about Perry's work. His writing is ridiculously overly dramatic, simple and vapid and so is his direction. And yes, I know that Perry plays a host of other unfunny characters. Eddie Murphy is so much better at playing those characters though.

I didn't find his acting bland in why did I get married or good deeds, or his little cameo in star trek lol
His little cameo in Star Trek doesn't count as a role. It was just a dumb distracting cameo that people giggled at. You think that Perry is leading man material? You think that he is interesting enough to be a leading man?

It's obvious that you have some affection for Perry's films and I respect that but I don't get it. I think Perry is a disappointment because he hasn't even tried to grow from his vapid, poor faithbased films. If he were really serious he would take the criticism of his films to heart and try to become a better writer and director. The sad thing about Perry is he is doing a good thing by giving black actors jobs, unfortunately he writes them pathetic 2D characters and usually makes those actors look bad by directing them poorly. I can't deny that Perry's movies are interesting though because I often ask myself why he decided to do something and they are often unintentionally funny. I understand black people being defensive of Perry because he is one of a kind but I wish they would be more criticial of him because I think that would help his material get better.
 
For me it is clear that Perry sees his films as purely a money making venture akin to the horror franchises of the world. That is fine, but his race does not exempt him from the criticism the likes Paul W. S. Anderson for doing the same thing. The Boondocks got it so right it isn't even funny. Well except that the the Boondocks is always funny.
 
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I saw the film yesterday. I went in preparing to laugh my behind off, but when I left the theater I thought it was a standard cop thriller film. Nothing special. Could've been a TV film with really good production values. That being said, I don't think the film was horrible either.

I thought Matthew Fox made for a good villain. Perhaps over-the-top in some respects, but I liked the nervous little tics he gave the character. He also looked pretty badass with the shaved head and tattoos.

I thought Perry did a decent job. I would've preferred Idris Elba in the role, but Perry did about the best I think he could. Generally when he plays the straight man in his comedies, he's very much like a block of wood. Here he was trying to evince emotion and invested the character with a tiny bit of humor-something Morgan Freeman didn't do-and maybe that was done to make Perry feel more comfortable or put his own stamp on the role. Perry's deadly serious voice wasn't as funny as it was in the trailers-I just got used to it after a while. Though there were times when he got excited over that I couldn't help but think about Madea pulling out a can of whoop ass.

One thing that I think surprised me was how physically imposing Perry is, or could be. He's a big guy. If he worked out more, he would really be physically imposing. And I think the opening scene with him used it to good effect. His final big showdown with Fox was shot so choppily that it was really hard to follow the action and I have to wonder if that was done to paper over Perry's lack of physical grace. Though if he was that bad, they could've gotten a stunt man, so perhaps not. Maybe it was just done to try to give a bird's eye view of the fight.

The supporting cast was solid, with Edward Burns, Rachel Nichols, Jean Reno, Cicely Tyson, etc. Carmen Ejogo was especially sexy as Perry's wife. After seeing her in Sparkle, I can say that her husband Jeffrey Wright is an incredibly lucky man.

I've watched almost every Perry film. He's received a lot of criticism over the years for his formulaic approach. Some of that criticism is deserved. Here Perry tried to break out of that and it seems that people are more supportive of the formula stuff. I'm surprised at how little box office it made. I was expecting more of Perry's fans to show up and then for others who were curious.
 
It's a metaphor...duh.

I said I was black because you seemed to be implying that only white people who don't understand black people hate his films. I'm black and I hate his films, that jackass Spike Lee is black and he doesn't like Perry's films. It's not just "evil" white people who have a problem with Perry's filmography.

What are you a one man game show? How exactly can I fail your questions?

Reading comprehension is your friend fella. I said that I don't know why people like the Jackass movies? I've looked at the reviews and I still don't understand. Just like I don't understand why you and others like Perry's films.

There is a generlized hating going on for the man (artistically because he seems like a nice dude) because his movies aren't very good. It's the same reason people hate on Uwe Boll or Paul W.S. Anderson's movies. Hey, I just named two white dudes!

Yes, simple and bad. There is a such a thing as simple and good, I wish Mr. Perry would learn that.

You are? That's surprising because For Colored Girls was his attempt at Oscar bait material and it was roundly panned by the critics. Why would he write poorly if he could easily just whip up Oscar worthy material?

Is he worried about making good or at least decent films? That's the real question one should be asking.

The critics get it wrong a lot but I think they are correct about Perry's work. His writing is ridiculously overly dramatic, simple and vapid and so is his direction. And yes, I know that Perry plays a host of other unfunny characters. Eddie Murphy is so much better at playing those characters though.

His little cameo in Star Trek doesn't count as a role. It was just a dumb distracting cameo that people giggled at. You think that Perry is leading man material? You think that he is interesting enough to be a leading man?

It's obvious that you have some affection for Perry's films and I respect that but I don't get it. I think Perry is a disappointment because he hasn't even tried to grow from his vapid, poor faithbased films. If he were really serious he would take the criticism of his films to heart and try to become a better writer and director. The sad thing about Perry is he is doing a good thing by giving black actors jobs, unfortunately he writes them pathetic 2D characters and usually makes those actors look bad by directing them poorly. I can't deny that Perry's movies are interesting though because I often ask myself why he decided to do something and they are often unintentionally funny. I understand black people being defensive of Perry because he is one of a kind but I wish they would be more criticial of him because I think that would help his material get better.

I was going to respond to this, but all the crap I typed got lost because the stupid site timed out. And I don't feel like typing it again. But anyways thanks for the discussion. :yay:
 
Spike Lee did.

Movie opened up number #4 with $11.7 million. Not that good. I know it's not a huge budget, but is that really well enough to justify more of this?
 

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