Alicia Vs. Susan: Which Character Should Influence Norrin?

I'm not weighing in on the studio politics behind replacing the role of Alicia Masters in humanizing the Surfer with Sue Storm, but I can't say that I agree with the change from a storytelling and characterization standpoint. Sue Storm is my favorite character in the comics and I fear that this change might be detrimental to her character as established in the franchise. I thought it was already a bit out of character for Sue to be involved in a love triangle in the last film with Doom, but for it to potentially happen again (we can all guess that the Surfer will fall for Sue in this film) would take a bit away from her relationship with Reed. In the Marvel verse, Reed and Sue are pretty much the premier married couple and the first film didn't really shred light on why/how their love is so special or even suggest the longevity of their relationship.

I also think that there's something beautiful about the Surfer learning about humanity from the one person who can't see. The Surfer has been to the farthest frontiers of the galaxy; he has seen it all but has much to learn by touching, sensing, feeling, and loving. For Alicia to be that conduit makes it that much more poignant, in my opinion. Finally, having Alicia serve as a buffer between the Surfer and the FF can bring some tension to the relationship between her and Ben, which I felt was unfairly neglected in the first film.

Despite my misgivings, I can see the plot change working if handled correctly, and if somehow the writers can bring a new dimension to Sue's character through this, I'm even all for it. We'll see.
 
... I also think that there's something beautiful about the Surfer learning about humanity from the one person who can't see. The Surfer has been to the farthest frontiers of the galaxy; he has seen it all but has much to learn by touching, sensing, feeling, and loving. For Alicia to be that conduit makes it that much more poignant, in my opinion. ... Despite my misgivings, I can see the plot change working if handled correctly, and if somehow the writers can bring a new dimension to Sue's character through this, I'm even all for it. We'll see.

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I'm not weighing in on the studio politics behind replacing the role of Alicia Masters in humanizing the Surfer with Sue Storm, but I can't say that I agree with the change from a storytelling and characterization standpoint. Sue Storm is my favorite character in the comics and I fear that this change might be detrimental to her character as established in the franchise. I thought it was already a bit out of character for Sue to be involved in a love triangle in the last film with Doom, but for it to potentially happen again (we can all guess that the Surfer will fall for Sue in this film) would take a bit away from her relationship with Reed. In the Marvel verse, Reed and Sue are pretty much the premier married couple and the first film didn't really shred light on why/how their love is so special or even suggest the longevity of their relationship.

I also think that there's something beautiful about the Surfer learning about humanity from the one person who can't see. The Surfer has been to the farthest frontiers of the galaxy; he has seen it all but has much to learn by touching, sensing, feeling, and loving. For Alicia to be that conduit makes it that much more poignant, in my opinion. Finally, having Alicia serve as a buffer between the Surfer and the FF can bring some tension to the relationship between her and Ben, which I felt was unfairly neglected in the first film.

Despite my misgivings, I can see the plot change working if handled correctly, and if somehow the writers can bring a new dimension to Sue's character through this, I'm even all for it. We'll see.

Your post wonderfully written...but I have to disagree on the characterization point....Sue was not in a love triangle in the first movie, the only reason that was a love triangle was because someone in an interview called it a love triangle....Reed was no more a part of that love triangle than you or I.....had some scenes been left in the original movie...ie: The restaurant scene that showed the loyal Sue, then we would have had some hope of seeing Sue's true character....we didn't....

As far as this second movie, and this is all speculation, because as we debate this we are no more sure of how this will play out, as we do the look of Doom.....but IF this is a storyline where Sue sees the true motive behind the Surfer, and he sees the true humanity in Sue....how in the world is that out of character of Sue in the comics? The only thing different from the comics in that scenario is the fact that it is Sue and not Alicia...but characterization is spot on.....we just miss out on Kerry Washington....my hope is that we can grow alittle with the relationship between her and Ben, which we didn't get in the first.....and move on to a much more developed Alicia in the 3rd movie.....

But, let me say again, your post is passionately written, and again....I almost feel bad for being excited about this development, while others are so upset....:csad:

@AD.....the only thing that resembled the script in the first movie was the novelization......the movie itself.....was not a Frost script AT ALL....it was a movie slaughtered by FOX....
 
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Thank You, Malus. :)

Your post wonderfully written...but I have to disagree on the characterization point....Sue was not in a love triangle in the first movie, the only reason that was a love triangle was because someone in an interview called it a love triangle....Reed was no more a part of that love triangle than you or I.....had some scenes been left in the original movie...ie: The restaurant scene that showed the loyal Sue, then we would have had some hope of seeing Sue's true character....we didn't....

As far as this second movie, and this is all speculation, because as we debate this we are no more sure of how this will play out, as we do the look of Doom.....but IF this is a storyline where Sue sees the true motive behind the Surfer, and he sees the true humanity in Sue....how in the world is that out of character of Sue in the comics? The only thing different from the comics in that scenario is the fact that it is Sue and not Alicia...but characterization is spot on.....we just miss out on Kerry Washington....my hope is that we can grow alittle with the relationship between her and Ben, which we didn't get in the first.....and move on to a much more developed Alicia in the 3rd movie.....

But, let me say again, your post is passionately written, and again....I almost feel bad for being excited about this development, while others are so upset....:csad:

@AD.....the only thing that resembled the script in the first movie was the novelization......the movie itself.....was not a Frost script AT ALL....it was a movie slaughtered by FOX....

Thank you for your response, JMAfan. I guess it's true that in the last film it wasn't a real love triangle in the sense that Sue didn't love Victor, but I felt that the writers set it up to be one. Moreover, Sue's role in the group is that of a mediator; she glues everyone together during moments of dissent. For her to have the closest relationship out of the four to Victor (well she works for him) only introduced further conflicts and seemed to take away from that role. Yes, the restaurant scene would definitely have shown the loyalty of Sue, but unfortunately it was left on the cutting room floor.

And definitely don't feel bad about being excited for this development. I'm sure that a lot of us will join in once we've had time to ponder more about it and come to terms with the change. And hopefully after seeing the film, we'll all agree that it's a good and refreshing change. :)
 
The only thing different from the comics in that scenario is the fact that it is Sue and not Alicia...but characterization is spot on.....we just miss out on Kerry Washington..

I do agree it can work with Sue, but...
What we will miss out on is not just a great performance by Kerry Washington.
The big loss is the time-honored scenes of blind Alicia helping the Surfer to see. :csad:

FF2 may still kick ass. But the loss of this integral moment in the FF's tapestry saddens me.

What angers me is that it might not have turned out this way if all those scenes between Ben and Alicia in the first movie hadn't been tossed out.

Just gonna hope for the best.
 
I do agree it can work with Sue, but...
What we will miss out on is not just a great performance by Kerry Washington.
The big loss is the time-honored scenes of blind Alicia helping the Surfer to see. :csad:

FF2 may still kick ass. But the loss of this integral moment in the FF's tapestry saddens me.

What angers me is that it might not have turned out this way if all those scenes between Ben and Alicia in the first movie hadn't been tossed out.

Just gonna hope for the best.

I agree....that will be a loss for you and other long time fans....it won't be a loss for those of us that have never read the early comics....and as some have already said.....had we gotten more of Alicia in the first movie....then maybe the audience would care as much about her as you and other long time fans do....but we didn't....and that is unfortunate...
 
Malus said:
In the meantime, I'm not nearly as bothered by this as I was by Scott Summers' removal from the Dark Pheonix story in X-Men III.
At least not yet. :cmad:

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"You will be. You will be."
 
A question, was there ever an announcement about a director's cut of FF1. It seems like all of the talk about that has died down.

Does it all depend on story having time. they should just have a meeting one day, Story can tell the editor what scenes to put back in and call that a day.

Sounds simple to me.

Fox can then release that and make some money we get all the cut scenes inluding the Alicai scenes and then we are all happy.
 
Again, there are other ways to accomplish this without going this route. Believe me when I say, this direction will hurt the metaphorical and emotional impact this film could have had. Mark my words....

Yes, I mentioned that in another thread. The whole point was that the course of events between all these power beings was influenced by one of the least powerful characters in the story. Instead physical conflict, it was Alicia's kindling a spark of compassion in the Silver Surfer that helped change the tide.
At this rate, no one is going to care about the Alicia character by time Part III comes around. Why? Because they haven't invested anything in her. Like I said...total waste of abilities here...I wonder how Kerry feels about it? I'm sure it's not what she imagined she was signing up for.

The sad part about this is that if Kerry suddenly won an Oscar this entire thing would shift in her favor...which proves that the powers-that-be are more concerned with star power than what is best for the storyline. The ONLY reason Jessica is being utilized is because of her rank and marketability--and not a thing more. :o

The same thing happened with Halle Berry/Hugh Jackman in the last X-Men film. The result? The Phoenix storyline suffered and the film is one of the most reviled at this time. LOL

Oh, I was sooo disappointed in that turn of events. AD, you can't possibly believe that in this scenario, that Claremont and Byrne's Dark Phoenix story doesn't stack up to the way it played out in the movies? I felt nothing for Phoenix when she was stopped by Wolverine...she had become Magneto's zombie. To add insult to injury, the movie completely negated the love that Scott and Jean had for each other... such a travesty and an insult to the fans.
 
Disgusting and utter blasphemy! Oh, and to the person who thought this major deviation from the source material would be a good idea: I HATE YOUR FACE. :cmad:


:csad:

Its one thing that doesn't need to be changed IMO. Is this (FF fan) Don Payne's decision or is this 20th Century Fox's? It sounds like something they would demand; a bigger role for (arguably) FF's most well known star Jessica Alba.Sounds like something that happend recently on another big superhero ensemble. *cough*
It's patented!! :cmad:



I concur wholeheartedly. Susan is getting married. She has a love interest. And she is the heart and soul of that team. Translation: she has enough to do without this plotline. There are a million ways they could develop her character without having to pull Norrin into the mix.

I'll be honest with you: Although Jess is talented, of the two actresses IMO Kerry is the strongest. And she is being friggin wasted in this franchise. Since she's been completely useless thusfar I'm questioning why the character is even around? She sure isn't benefiting anyone else--not even Ben (because all of her character development scenes get chopped anyway).

Excuse me while I go rip my hair out. :csad:

*realizes he's shaved bald*

*bangs head on desk instead*
*ouch*:(
You're right and who's to say they won't be chopping Alicia's scenes out again?
 
I'm not happy that Sue will basically be getting Alicia's part in the Surfer's story, but I don't see it as ruinous to the film. Just potentially ruinous.

As much affection as I hold for the original story, I have to consider that Don Payne inherited a very under-developed Alicia as a result of all the stupid cuts they made on FF1. As a result, audiences will already have to be reminded who she is.
By the time "our" Alicia interacted with the Surfer, we knew her. She'd been around for 40 issues. The way I see it, Don payne did not have the same character available to him that Lee & Kirby had, so giving those scenes with the Surfer to Sue is just another one of the many "unnecessary evils" Hollywood has heaped on practically every adaptation we've had to suffer through.

I'm hoping we still see some interaction between the Surfer and Alicia to make up for what's lost; some nod to the way it was, the way it should have been.
I'm not holding my breath, but I'm hoping.
You make some excellent points Malus.
In the meantime, I'm not nearly as bothered by this as I was by Scott Summers' removal from the Dark Pheonix story in X-Men III. :cmad:
At least not yet.

*sigh* Cyclops....
 
AD,

Considering this thread has been derailed into a consistent, serious discussion I've changed the title accordingly. Can we create another Interview thread and repost the non-related articles?
 
I was wondering what happenned to this thread.

In any case, the whole metaphoric part about the blind no-power woman, who allows the god-like being see the evil in what he does will certainly be lost and cannot be replaced by Susan.

Of course, there are many that would have completely escaped in any case.
 
^^ You know now that I think about it, they do reshoots in about a month I think, remember the scene where Johnny took the thing's orange juice, that was a reshoot.

They can add more to alicia's role if we push for it. They really can give a nod to the original story.

This way they can please the fans and also make money with the Alba all the time thing they are on.

Also I really think that the role of puppet master has to go to Morgan Freeman. After this summer they really have to go with a big name and the film has to have a different feel and I suggest they go with an actor like Freeman who will bring, well a Morgan Freeman like quality to the third installment.

I see this as the only way to go as they just can't out action this installment I think.

So Alicia will get her due in FF3.

Apart from that though I am sorry to say that Fox may not recognize how many fans Kerry Washington has.

As you know Story was fortunate to get this gig and he got it only because Avi Arad pushed for him.
 
^^ You know now that I think about it, they do reshoots in about a month I think, remember the scene where Johnny took the thing's orange juice, that was a reshoot.

They can add more to alicia's role if we push for it. They really can give a nod to the original story.

This way they can please the fans and also make money with the Alba all the time thing they are on.

Also I really think that the role of puppet master has to go to Morgan Freeman. After this summer they really have to go with a big name and the film has to have a different feel and I suggest they go with an actor like Freeman who will bring, well a Morgan Freeman like quality to the third installment.

I see this as the only way to go as they just can't out action this installment I think.

So Alicia will get her due in FF3.

Apart from that though I am sorry to say that Fox may not recognize how many fans Kerry Washington has.

As you know Story was fortunate to get this gig and he got it only because Avi Arad pushed for him.

That was "additional photography" not a reshoot....

I do not seeing our pushing for something is going to change anything "at this point"...they paid through the nose at the reshoots last time......they probably want to do as few "additional photography" days as possible....

And yes, I hope we do get to see Alicia do alittle more in the 3rd movie....and hopefully not as many characters or at least a movie where we aren't introducing someone for their own movie....
 
^ Have to agree. It's done. We're 4 months from release day.
 
I'm just going on record now. I have strong suspicions that this will become a major gripe post-release...and it could even grow to be a hotter issue than the "Brow" thing. Production may be done, but I don't have to like the concept. And truth be told, the only reason why it's NOT a huge deal now with fans is because the studio has kept everything tightly wrapped up.

"But I feel the war is still coming...and I intend to fight it...by any means necessary!"
 
I'm just going on record now. I have strong suspicions that this will become a major gripe post-release...and it could even grow to be a hotter issue than the "Brow" thing. Production may be done, but I don't have to like the concept. And truth be told, the only reason why it's NOT a huge deal now with fans is because the studio has kept everything tightly wrapped up.

"But I feel the war is still coming...and I intend to fight it...by any means necessary!"


If this is one of the penicle storylines, I don't see them going back and changing anything....we knew of this all the way back when Jessica was interviewed the week she hosted the MTV Movie Awards.....LAST SUMMER....she spoke of the triangle then....and there was even a thread about it here on this forum....and these issues came up back then as well....this isn't new....but with the CGI work that has to be done I do not see them doing any reshoots or additional photography for this storyline....

I'm not saying this as in...."shut up, nothing is going to change...." I'm just being realistic....

It has been discussed since July 9th, 2006....that was the week of the MTV Awards (I think)....and that was the first time we heard of the love triangle....that was the first time "I" discussed that it would not be really a love triangle but more of what I've discussed here on this thread....almost word for word.....at that point would have been the time to really SHOUT....but IMO, yes....state your opinion loud....but I don't think there will be any changes....
 
^ Not that I wouldn't do my part to lobby Tim Story & Fox to do additional shooting. But depending on where on the planet the scenes with Sue & the Surfer take place, positioning the character of Alicia to "take back her part" may simply be cost-prohibitive.

So yeah, folks should certainly be letting Story & co. know that this change may disappoint fans. But more importantly, he needs to be made aware that this change may also result in a watered-down story.
A great opportunity (an artistic obligation, in my view) is being wasted.
 
I've gone to a couple of other sites....looking to see what the vibe is....

On IMDB, there is not any discussion of it....

Comics2Film, there is a thread 1 page in length.....its about the synopsis, not this issue in particular, but one person did mention it....You can see the date...

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Bidkid, saw this on another site...... sounds pretty good.


As the end of summer draws near, and the first autumn frost soon to come, we are beginning to get a taste of the story, behind the story, of Story’s story, the Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. Now shooting has begun, one real concerns is that the film may be pushed back to an August release; two months later than its schedule release of June 2007. Yet, a more intimate concern is on the rise. As a Storm(Sue) is brewing over the horizon, regarding the allege Fantastic Four synopsis… the winds(critics) are starting to blow. Sue Storm appears to be the center focus of not a love triangle, but a love rhombus….. OUCH! She is definitely hot, and powerful enough to attract the affections of not only two men, but an alien being as well. One wonders, how is that going to work?

The non-assertive, metrosexual, Reed Richard has marriage in mind, but his half-hearted attempt at a proposal, take a serious backstage to a huge impending threat, that may wreck major havoc to his relationship with Sue….. and this little rock we call the Earth. Norrin Radd(The Silver Surfer) makes his triumphant appearance to Earth, before all the on-lookers of the world. After a stirring first battle, Reed suggest Sue play ambassador to the Surfer, and find out his intention here on Earth.

Although, they all at one point or another, communicate in a rather insulting manner with the Surfer, Sue is the main character that graciously, yet firmly interact with him. In time, the two forms a mutual attraction towards one another. She is exceedingly attracted to his-story and cosmic knowledge, sympathetic towards him being bound to serve a huge, powerful, and seemingly unjust being named Galactus, and his longing desire to free himself from Galactus service. The Surfer finds himself captivatingly attracted to her stunning beauty, her child-like fascination and wonder of the cosmos, and her immense and seemingly cosmic power, which he deem worthy enough for her to be his bride. Wake up Reed, you’re losing her….. again.

The twist to this love rhombus, just happen to includes Victor von Doom, who is still very much in love with Sue, and never quite gotten over her going back to Reed Richards. In the same vein as Ben Grimm(the Thing), lonely and self-conscious of his appearance, Doom now has become furious and jealous of Sue’s attraction to the Surfer, which he see as no less repulsive than himself. Victor appear to show compassion for her and concern for her safety(as do Reed, just not as eloquently), while plotting to discern the source of the Surfer’s powers. I wonder why?

However, do not underestimate Tim Story’s usage of Victor von Doom in this apparent ‘Love Rhombus‘. Tim will play on all that has happen to Victor, his apparent lesson learned, and his wanting to help save Earth from impending danger, as a serious bid for Sue’s affection. With Reed, distancing himself again, immersing himself into his work, to neutralize the Surfer powers and his inability to deal with own jealousy, coupled with Sue’s uncertainty with the Surfer, still being an unknown factor, for or against, Earth’s destruction at the hands of his master, Galactus; Victor’s sentimental cries for forgiveness and understanding does not fall on deaf ears.

Yet, have no fear, fans of the villainous Doom. There is an underlining story behind Doom’s attempt to destroy the Fantastic Four and attain the cosmic power of the Silver Surfer, that may very well put the Earth in serious jeopardy, of being destroyed, with the arrival of Galactus in the next film. It comes in the form of the Puppet Master(has his own agenda, after Reed’s technology) who is employed by Doom to distract the Fantastic Four and pit them against one another in ingenious ways. With Reed’s judgment cloudy and leadership nonexistent, fueled by his pending loss of Sue to the Surfer, Ben wanting a life with Alicia Masters(Daughter of the PuppetMaster), and Johnny’s insistence on taking charge; the team begin to fracture under the weight of PM masterly conceived plan.

In a recent interview, Tim Story promised this film will have plenty of action, intrigue, and a well written script, that will be pleasing to the Fantastic Four fans, which may conclude in a possible third and final film. Here’s hoping so Tim.

He said this was from another forum....he did not have a source or the forum name....

I do not hold much of this as fact....but it does show that this has been out there for quite awhile....
 
Hi my name is Lightning Strykez and I enjoy changing thread titles in my spare time. LOL
 
I've gone to a couple of other sites....looking to see what the vibe is....

On IMDB, there is not any discussion of it....

Comics2Film, there is a thread 1 page in length.....its about the synopsis, not this issue in particular, but one person did mention it....You can see the date...

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Bidkid, saw this on another site...... sounds pretty good.




He said this was from another forum....he did not have a source or the forum name....

I do not hold much of this as fact....but it does show that this has been out there for quite awhile....

Are you saying that just because there's been little talk about this elsewhere that it has little relevance? :confused:

Truth be told, there's been little talk about FF2 anywhere, let alone this detail. In fact, there hasn't exactly been a lot to go on at all, save the teaser trailer. Trust me, as we get more information more fans will vocalize their feelngs about this "change".

BTW: The studio's keeping these kinds of details under wraps (as far as not heavily publicizing it anywhere "official") is a great move. They did something similar in keeping the death of Cyclops in X3 quiet for months. Concerned fans voiced their worries in earnest but it was only a few at first. But did that secrecy stop the gigantic flame wars that ensued after the truth came out? Not at all. It just took time for everything to catch up.

I'm not saying this change is on the same "insulting" level as Scott's death...but I do have a feeling that history may repeat itself yet again.

And by the way: If it does, it will be Jessica Alba (the actress) who will be seriously maligned--just like Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman have taken the brunt of hate/criticism for what was done in X3. Expulsion of Scott "Cyclops" Summers from his most well-known and beloved role (in the Phoenix saga) was clearly a Hollywood-driven plot change...and the results speak for themselves.

Jessica does NOT need that kind of negativity focused on her with this franchise--she already faces enough. So my point JMAfan is to be careful what you guys wish for...I'm afraid it might turn out to be a double-edged sword.
 
Are you saying that just because there's been little talk about this elsewhere that it has little relevance? :confused:

Truth be told, there's been little talk about FF2 anywhere, let alone this detail. In fact, there hasn't exactly been a lot to go on at all, save the teaser trailer. Trust me, as we get more information more fans will vocalize their feelngs about this "change".

BTW: The studio's keeping these kinds of details under wraps (as far as not heavily publicizing it anywhere "official") is a great move. They did something similar in keeping the death of Cyclops in X3 quiet for months. Concerned fans voiced their worries in earnest but it was only a few at first. But did that secrecy stop the gigantic flame wars that ensued after the truth came out? Not at all. It just took time for everything to catch up.

I'm not saying this change is on the same "insulting" level as Scott's death...but I do have a feeling that history may repeat itself yet again.

And by the way: If it does, it will be Jessica Alba (the actress) who will be seriously maligned--just like Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman have taken the brunt of hate/criticism for what was done in X3. Expulsion of Scott "Cyclops" Summers from his most well-known and beloved role (in the Phoenix saga) was clearly a Hollywood-driven plot change...and the results speak for themselves.

Jessica does NOT need that kind of negativity focused on her with this franchise--she already faces enough. So my point JMAfan is to be careful what you guys wish for...I'm afraid it might turn out to be a double-edged sword.


DO NOT read into my posts what is not there......I do understand where you are coming from......but do not let your emotions of this get the better of you and read things that are not there......MY POINT was....it has been discussed very early on......and from what I've seen YES not that much....but NO WHERE did I say it was of little relevance.....indeed to the comic fan, I think it is of quite a bit of relevance and you have every right to be upset.....myself, not being a major fan of comics over the years hope to see a great storyline, along with others things in the movie....I take your points seriously....

It is simply my opinion....not a wish....it was my opinion.....I'm trying to understand all sides here....but I do not need to be told what to wish for, and what not to wish for.....I'm simply discussing here.....nothing more.:o :csad:

Apparently someone is talking about the F4, or its trailer would not be one of the top 10 trailer searches on several of the major search engines over the past month....this week on IMDB which I posted earlier on another thread.....

BTW, who are "we" "you guys"......and what exactly are "we", "you guys" "wishing" for???????????????????????
 
BTW, who are "we" "you guys"......and what exactly are "we", "you guys" "wishing" for???????????????????????

It's really quite simple. :cool:

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Fans who are dissapointed with the direction this change will take the Silver Surfer/Invisible Woman characters in, and the continued wasting of Alicia Masters.

"you guys"

Fans who are pleased with, and looking forward to the direction this change will take the Silver Surfer/Invisible Woman characters in.

and what exactly are "we" "wishing" for???????????????????????

As evidenced by the commentary, many of us are wanting Alicia Masters--and the talented actress that's been cast to play her--to stop sitting on the bench in this franchise. "We" are also wishing for her true role in the Silver Surfer saga to be fleshed out as it has been in the source material.

and what exactly are "you guys" "wishing" for???????????????????????

Again, as shown by some of the comments, some are hoping that this characterization/plot change will benefit the Susan Storm character. It's been stated that some feel her character was overlooked in FF1--and that this Silver Surfer relationship could be the solution in rectifying the matter.

According to some of these fans, Susan's other plot ties and situations/engagements involving Reed, Johnny and the storyline in general are not enough to flesh her out for this sequel. More is needed to supplement her character development...even if that means pushing another character(s) to the background for the time being until a future film.

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Am I accurate? I think that's a summary of the two opposing views on this matter. And I'm not trying to make this into "us vs. them" deal, because we are all fans. But it's clear that some of us are divided on this topic.

EDIT: And by the way, my "emotions" are not dictating what I'm reading. I did not "assume" anything--I asked you further questions for clarification.
 

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