Alien vs Aliens

Alien or Aliens?

  • Alien

  • Aliens

  • I like Alien 3, Ressurection, or one of the AvP movies best! (You should be ashamed).


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And to Evil Twin as for the cliche characters of the marines you pointed out, when the film came out, they were not cliche, most of those movies from then out copied Aliens in terms of characters and diversity. Aliens was the first real powerful sci fi action/military movie. And it has stuck in most minds, and writers of other movies have copied it making it cliche.

The cast of space marines have been a movie cliche since WWII. In the old days, it was called the "Paramount platoon". Cameron was just the first to move them to space. Cameron gets points for taking a staple and recontexturizing it, but Cameron has never been one for original thinking in characterization.

I don't want to dump on Aliens. It is a great film. One of my favorites as well. And, heck, I've said for a long time that one of the reasons that people resort to cliches is because cliches work.
 
I LOVE both but Alien has the slight edge imo. The tone and atmosphere is really unique and original and I read something about how the Alien's body was very phallic then it got me thinking about how Alien is like one huge movie about....sex. Everything has sexual undertones: The way the alien looks, the facehuggers, lambert's death, the chestbusters, some of the set designs, etc....I always thought it was pretty cool how Ridley Scott and crew did that.
 
I found it really hard to vote between Alien or Aliens. I love both films. I voted for Alien, but now I'm realizing Aliens is a better film overall. But, Alien has the better scares and that's maybe why I voted for it. Ridley Scott did a great job on that film. Aliens, Cameron did an excellent job also. Alien 3...it's not so good, but still better than Resurection or the AVP movies by a long shot.

I'd really have to say it's a tie for me between Alien and Aliens.
 
I LOVE both but Alien has the slight edge imo. The tone and atmosphere is really unique and original and I read something about how the Alien's body was very phallic then it got me thinking about how Alien is like one huge movie about....sex. Everything has sexual undertones: The way the alien looks, the facehuggers, lambert's death, the chestbusters, some of the set designs, etc....I always thought it was pretty cool how Ridley Scott and crew did that.


Alien indeed was an undertoned statment about sex and how animalistic it can be. H.R. Giger was all about that and his design/art was crafted with surreal sex in mind way before Alien was made. When Scott saw the painting, that's when everything came together and every little thing the Alien does is indeed intended to represent un-relentful sex from a subconsious mind.

But you can't credit Scott for that, as H.R.Giger designed everything that way. Look up Gigers work and everything is bizaar sex related in a surreal unflatering horrific way.
 
I'm a gigantic fan of both films, and as much as I hate the comparisons between the two movies I will always find Aliens the better film. Especially the extended director's cut.
 
Both are good but its apparent that Cameron is just a better director then Scott and it shows. Cameron also was more creative with his visuals. In my opinion though Aliens is the best sci fi movie of all time and its hard for any movie to triumph it.
 
Alien indeed was an undertoned statment about sex and how animalistic it can be. H.R. Giger was all about that and his design/art was crafted with surreal sex in mind way before Alien was made. When Scott saw the painting, that's when everything came together and every little thing the Alien does is indeed intended to represent un-relentful sex from a subconsious mind.

But you can't credit Scott for that, as H.R.Giger designed everything that way. Look up Gigers work and everything is bizaar sex related in a surreal unflatering horrific way.
I actually have seen those pictures a long time ago (very very creepy, btw!) I just said Scott and crew because I was too lazy to actually search his name...hehe. :oldrazz:

But yeah, after seeing all those sexual undertones its no doubt that Lambert was raped by the xenomorph in her death scene...brutal. If you look closely when Ripley sees Parker and Lamberts corpses...you can see Lambert's pants were ripped off and blood is streaming down her legs!
 
I actually have seen those pictures a long time ago (very very creepy, btw!) I just said Scott and crew because I was too lazy to actually search his name...hehe. :oldrazz:

But yeah, after seeing all those sexual undertones its no doubt that Lambert was raped by the xenomorph in her death scene...brutal. If you look closely when Ripley sees Parker and Lamberts corpses...you can see Lambert's pants were ripped off and blood is streaming down her legs!

Rape is not a pretty subject and for Alien, it can be scary. But it's all undertoned as you said, so it's never really touched on in the media outlets unless someone brings it up.
 
Alien is one of the best horror movies ever, and Aliens is one of the best sci-fi action movies ever. Despite being part of the samr series, they can't be compared. I prefer Aliens due to the action as opposed to Alien's suspense.
 
My best movie is ALIEN(S) but if they do a 5 how about Aliens vs Jurrassic park?:grin:


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You might have xenomorph raptors but that's about it. Facehuggers would make a gross snack for t-rexes.

I like Aliens more, but Alien is the better movie. Though, as others have said the two are in seperate genres & really can't be compared like say the the Star Wars movies or the two Predator movies.
Alien 3 on the other hand is the worst/most disappointing movie ever.
 
Since this is a poll about favorites and not being objective, I have to go with Alien. That's got a lot to do with the fact that I've never been able to sit through all of Aliens. No matter how much I've tried to watch it, it's never been able to draw me in like Alien did. I don't mean to debate the quality of the film; I certainly give it its due and champion it, but its never hooked me like the original.
 
I say Alien. Ridley Scott created how the creature should be used and move as well as making one of the greatest horror movies of all time. I am just partial to this movie.

I think Cameron made it more "fantastic" but he used a creature already created and elements that already existed. What Cameron did succeed at was making Ripley the first, IMO, female hero character.

And Luke, I don't think it is fair to say that James Cameron is a better director at all. They do different movies and Ridley is on par, atleast IMO, with Cameron with Blade Runner, Alien, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down and Hannibal.
 
They're both terrific films and comparing the two is splitting hairs, but I prefer Alien. A few reasons.

I think Aliens is basically the same movie, only with guns and more Aliens. Cameron even basically recreates the beats of the finale, Ripley discovers there's an alien on her ship, retreats into a closet, comes out and ultimately blows the alien out the air lock.

I disagree that the space marines are more fleshed out as characters than the space truckers. For the most part, they're a collection of cliches and one liners. The gruff sargeant. The green lieutenant. The slimy corporate weasel. The quiet, competent one. This most especially goes to Bill Paxton. They're good, entertaining cliches, but they really don't exist as characters outside the context of this particular story.

I like the production design of Alien better. Nothing wrong with the work in Aliens, but I'll take Giger any day.

There's an interesting subtext to Alien of male rape. John Hurt takes it in the mouth, from a vaginal-like egg. He later gives "birth". Harry Dean Stanton gets penetrated from behind. The alien has this tongue with teeth thing going for it. Cameron essentially removes all that subtext and simply turns the aliens into space bugs.

Your point about the Marines being cliches, I have to disagree. They wasn't cliches at the time, infact they were quite original characters at the time. You may think they are cliched now because THEY have been copied so many times. How many action films have you seen where someone is like "Come on baby!! Bring it on!! Come get some!!". That is all copied from Hudson, he was the first foul mouthed, bad ass, mentally unhinged marine in those sort of films. And the same with Vasquez, Michelle Rodriquez basically made a career out of being a clone of Vasquez. And Hicks? How can you call him a cliche? Hicks is a fricking bad ass!! He was my idol when I was younger. Michael Beihn is still my favourite action hero. :up:

So yea, I vote Aliens :hehe:

It is just the epitome of action and suspense. The whole build up when they have the first battle with the Xenomorphs. "There's nothing back here..." "There's something moving around in here and it ain't us!" The whole build up to that scene is just incredible, no other film has even come close to that in terms of suspense and build up IMO. Then we find out that the Aliens have been in view the whole time! All on the walls and the ground! "They're coming out of the god damn walls!". Brilliance, pure brilliance.

My favourite scene has gotta be Hudson's demise though. He comes across as a whinger but he frickin went out in a blaze of glory! "Come on baby I ain't got all day! You want some of this? **** you!!" How many times has he been copied? Countless, countless times. Starship Troopers springs to mind.
 
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Alien for me. I do love both films, though.

I prefer the look of the alien in the first film - the cloudy glass with the skull under - and I prefer Ridley's direction, shooting style.
 
The cast of space marines have been a movie cliche since WWII. In the old days, it was called the "Paramount platoon". Cameron was just the first to move them to space. Cameron gets points for taking a staple and recontexturizing it, but Cameron has never been one for original thinking in characterization.

I don't want to dump on Aliens. It is a great film. One of my favorites as well. And, heck, I've said for a long time that one of the reasons that people resort to cliches is because cliches work.

To a point yes. But every single movie seems to do that, even classics from the past. But still I say its much different. It empowered Females, which right there is way different from the old movie machines back in the day. Yea you have such general ideas of the coward, the hard ass ect. But that is in almost every movie. And prior to the movie making machine you could say they got it off of books that did the same way before. So cliche it a word thrown around too much. Cameron changed the game so much, it made it not as "cliche" empowering females, and kinda toning down males was a HUGE thing. Back then no one would have ever done that.

Even Alien to a point if we are to use your terms of "cliche" had cliche characters. Dallas, the calm leader, the hard ass out for blood, Parker, the coward, Lambert ect ect. But I would not at all call them cliches cuz they change the core so much, as well, with Aliens.
 
Funny you say that, Cameron used the Starship Troopers book as a large influence for the marines.

Yes that is very true. He did look at the book that Robert made and inspired him to do Aliens.
 
Which do you guys prefer, the special edition of Aliens, or the theatrical?

I've only seen the extended myself, but I hated the scene where we see what happened to Newt's parents and the colony.
 
Ahhh I didn't know that. Very interesting.

But I mentioned Starship Troopers because there is a guy in it that is a blatant copy of Hudson. You know that little Mexican fella? Was he in the book? Did Cameron get inspiration for Hudson from him? I doubt it.
 
Which do you guys prefer, the special edition of Aliens, or the theatrical?

I've only seen the extended myself, but I hated the scene where we see what happened to Newt's parents and the colony.

I prefer the extended. You get to see them sick auto guns at work! They were cut from the theatrical for some reason.
 
I prefer the extended verison of Aliens myself. I like sitting and watching a movie, and weither or not it's pratical to the plot, I like having more to watch.
 
Which do you guys prefer, the special edition of Aliens, or the theatrical?

I've only seen the extended myself, but I hated the scene where we see what happened to Newt's parents and the colony.

Special Edition of The Abyss, T2 and Aliens I believed were better then the theatrical. Though all around they rule, the Special Editions/DC's were much more involved and added more emotion/story.
 
The 2 movies are as different as chalk and cheese but if it comes down to it, as good and terrifying as Alien was; Aliens is my favourite.

Amazing direction by Cameron. Weaver's fantastic nuanced performance as a ballsy yet terrified and traumatised Ripley.

Michael Biehn and Bill Paxton as Colonial Marines? Lance Henriksen's Bishop? The Smart-guns? The climax with the Queen and Ripley? James Horner's amazing marching score?

I mean, c''mon........how could you not like that?
 
I voted Alien but this was a hell of a hard decision for me. Really, in my mind they are pretty much equal. I'd at least say Aliens is the best sequel to a good movie by a director other than the original. At least the best off the top of my head.
 
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The 2 movies are as different as chalk and cheese but if it comes down to it, as good and terrifying as Alien was; Aliens is my favourite.

Amazing direction by Cameron. Weaver's fantastic nuanced performance as a ballsy yet terrified and traumatised Ripley.

Michael Biehn and Bill Paxton as Colonial Marines? Lance Henriksen's Bishop? The Smart-guns? The climax with the Queen and Ripley? James Horner's amazing marching score?

I mean, c''mon........how could you not like that?

Brilliance, pure brilliance. :up:
 
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