Alien vs. Predator 2 Scheduled for 2007

[Knightsaber Priss]

There is no God.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

You know me... I'll only see it if there's tna.

 

[Golgo-13]

If i don't see stan Winstons name in the credits then i definately will not pay to see this movie. Stan said that anderson didn't even call him for AVP, and that he was a little dissappointed with the fact that he was shut out during AVP production. After all, he is the one who designed the Predators from scratch and he wasn't even credited with it's creation during the end credits of AVP....

 

[Bishop2]

If i don't see stan Winstons name in the credits then i definately will not pay to see this movie. Stan said that anderson didn't even call him for AVP, and that he was a little dissappointed with the fact that he was shut out during AVP production. After all, he is the one who designed the Predators from scratch

Technically he designed the Predator with James Cameron's help. At least that's always been his story.

Also, Anderson/Fox had to go with ONE effects company, not TWO.

Also, they had to take a low bidder. You don't just go out and start making phone calls.

So they took the company that's been involved with the last three Alien movies instead of the guy who did the Predator? My heart weeps.

Anyway, let the record show that Stan Winston has never received any credit for designing the predator in any of the various Predator comics, video games etc., despite the fact that H.R. Giger does receive credit for the aliens. I'm not really sure why that is.

 

[Golgo-13]

^. Ah, i see. I still can't see why he couldn't get credited (or him and Cameroon) in the credits, unless he sold his crediting rights to FOX some time ago and it turned around and bit him in the a$$ for AVP.......

 

[XCharlieX]

I loved Alien 3 too

I think Fincher did the best he could with a bad situation. Other folks in the same situation wouldve turned out somethign much worse than that. It had story, action and suspense imo. The setting was in outer space yet felt very realistic. There was an overkill on cursing in it though lol, took a step down from aliens scope, and killing the two other folks wasnt necessary but overall not bad. The basic essence of it felt like it shouldve been part 2 instead of 3 to me. Aliens being 3.

 

[Nathan]

I think that's the only thing I disliked about Alien 3. The fact that they killed off Newt and Hicks.

 

[xwolverine2]

looking forward to AVP2....i dont care how many people here hate it, everyone i know loved it.

 

[Bat Attack]

There is no God.

And there never was, but than again I am an athiest.

 

[Iceman]

Bring back Arnie

 

[Bishop2]

I think that's the only thing I disliked about Alien 3. The fact that they killed off Newt and Hicks.

That was a hugely idiotic mistake, completely undoing the heroics of Aliens, especially Ripley's last-minute rescue of Newt.

I always pictured an alternate Alien 3 where Newt is in a coma in the infirmary for the duration of the film, and as Ripley is seen falling into the molten lead at the end, it's intercut with Newt finally waking up, and then we see her leaving with the company in the closing montage. Man, that would fix so much for me.

There's also the matter of the terrible continuity: Alien fans have spent 14 years trying to figure out how the eggs could EVER have gotten onto the Sulaco. Of course, the answer from the screenwriters ultimately was "You weren't really supposed to question it," because it simply isn't possible. Queen can't lay eggs without her egg sack... nobody would've been able to put them there... eh.

Plus I never found it in-character for Ripley to bone the doctor, but that's the least of my worries.

It's a highly flawed movie, but yes, Fincher and some great actors made it much better than it might've been.

 

[XCharlieX]

They indeed burned bridges with the deaths... i was thinking they couldve easily sent their cryo tubes into outer space somewhere to be picked up in a future movie. Hicks couldve been the next star of alien imo.

 

[Horrorfan]

That was a hugely idiotic mistake, completely undoing the heroics of Aliens, especially Ripley's last-minute rescue of Newt.

I always pictured an alternate Alien 3 where Newt is in a coma in the infirmary for the duration of the film, and as Ripley is seen falling into the molten lead at the end, it's intercut with Newt finally waking up, and then we see her leaving with the company in the closing montage. Man, that would fix so much for me.

There's also the matter of the terrible continuity: Alien fans have spent 14 years trying to figure out how the eggs could EVER have gotten onto the Sulaco. Of course, the answer from the screenwriters ultimately was "You weren't really supposed to question it," because it simply isn't possible. Queen can't lay eggs without her egg sack... nobody would've been able to put them there... eh.

Plus I never found it in-character for Ripley to bone the doctor, but that's the least of my worries.

It's a highly flawed movie, but yes, Fincher and some great actors made it much better than it might've been.

See the thing is about the eggs on the sulaco is it's a movie......things just happen that sometimes logic can't explain. You will drive yourself crazy if you keep trying to do that (and note at the end of the credit to aliens, you hear an egg opening....).


Also about Newt and Hicks....that did bother me for years as I loved both characters. But this third movie was supposed to be the final one....and the point is that the alien costs her everything. Costs her so much that she would gladly sacrafice her life to ensure that the species would die with her.

 

[TheVileOne]

AVP2 is going to be mainstream B movie schlock.

It's sad how Fox has pretty much gutted these once classic movies.

 

[XCharlieX]

I will say for what they decided to do with Newt and Hicks, it was convincing.

 

[Bishop2]

See the thing is about the eggs on the sulaco is it's a movie......things just happen that sometimes logic can't explain. You will drive yourself crazy if you keep trying to do that (and note at the end of the credit to aliens, you hear an egg opening....).

Continuity is law. If a movie has poor plot continuity, it's probably not a very good movie, because that's #1 priority. You can never, nor should you ever, ignore continuity.

Also about Newt and Hicks....that did bother me for years as I loved both characters. But this third movie was supposed to be the final one....and the point is that the alien costs her everything. Costs her so much that she would gladly sacrafice her life to ensure that the species would die with her.

The saddest thing is that, for the longest time, Alien 3 was never supposed to be the last one. They tried to develop it as just one more sequel in the franchise for ages. Then they decided to make it the last one at the 11th hour, and why? Believe it or not, it was just because they were so frustrated and angry with how difficult it was to produce the thing. Of course, they also greenlit a movie without a finished script and started building sets before they had a script or a director, which is always a very bad sign, but that's beside the point.

If you ever get the chance to read Cinescape's 1997 "ALIENS" special issue, I highly recommend it. The eight-page article about the nightmares behind Alien 3 is killer.

 

[Horrorfan]

Continuity is law. If a movie has poor plot continuity, it's probably not a very good movie, because that's #1 priority. You can never, nor should you ever, ignore continuity.



The saddest thing is that, for the longest time, Alien 3 was never supposed to be the last one. They tried to develop it as just one more sequel in the franchise for ages. Then they decided to make it the last one at the 11th hour, and why? Believe it or not, it was just because they were so frustrated and angry with how difficult it was to produce the thing. Of course, they also greenlit a movie without a finished script and started building sets before they had a script or a director, which is always a very bad sign, but that's beside the point.

If you ever get the chance to read Cinescape's 1997 "ALIENS" special issue, I highly recommend it. The eight-page article about the nightmares behind Alien 3 is killer.

I have. I know all about the problems, but you see, you have to take it for what it is, and not what you wish it was. You seem like a huge aliens fan like me, so I am sure you have read about the many potential alien 3, from the potential back to back sequels with hicks and newt and bishop and riply, to the onbes with the genetic aliens (ie pig aliens etc) that later influenced the toyline. Im sure I would have loved it to have been continued with Hicks, but for what we got, it was pretty brillaint. And Ripley sleeping with Clemens was stress relief. She liked him and lost her surrogate family, so why not ya know? Im not having a go at you, its great to meet someone as passionate about the aliens series as me, but sometimes ya gotta let these things go. I would have MUCH rather AVP been based on the original comics, but I enjoy it very much for what it is, despite a lot of continuity errors itself.

Every movie has some continuity errors....it's the nature of movie. Aliens is a flat out classic, yet how did the queen manage to stay hidden in/on/behind a dropship for so long before Bishop or Ripley saw it?

The eggs were also present at the end, so I assume the queen somehow smuggled one or two aboard the ship (far fetched, yes, but no less so than a bunch of chest bursting aliens in space).

I think Alien 3 is a brilliant movie, despite of and in spite of it's many problems. I alos liked Resurrection though so yeah lol.

BTW I got hold of the novel at last so hopefully it will turn out to be good...I wish DiStephano would have made it through res though

What did you think of avp extinction?

 

[Bat Attack]

I want an 'Elm Street' sequel (or prequel) so bad... I've spent endless nights pouring over my various elm street merchandise crying.

 

[Bishop2]

looking forward to AVP2....i dont care how many people here hate it, everyone i know loved it.

Same here.

I have. I know all about the problems, but you see, you have to take it for what it is, and not what you wish it was. You seem like a huge aliens fan like me, so I am sure you have read about the many potential alien 3, from the potential back to back sequels with hicks and newt and bishop and riply, to the onbes with the genetic aliens (ie pig aliens etc) that later influenced the toyline.

I did read all those, yup, and indeed, I am a huge fan. Out of all the scripts we could've gotten, this might've been the best option in a lot of ways - however, it could still be much better. If I just accepted every movie based on what we got instead of what could've been, well, then I'd like everything!

I would have MUCH rather AVP been based on the original comics, but I enjoy it very much for what it is, despite a lot of continuity errors itself.

Not me. I strongly prefer what we got, I didn't like those comics, especially when the woman starts living on the Predator ship and becomes a human Predator out of boredom! I also think the only real error in AVP is the sped-up lifecycle, and frankly, the gestation period of chestbursters seems to differ in all of these movies...

Every movie has some continuity errors....it's the nature of movie. Aliens is a flat out classic, yet how did the queen manage to stay hidden in/on/behind a dropship for so long before Bishop or Ripley saw it?

We saw the Alien stay perfectly silent and in hiding until Ripley was within striking distance in the first film. The Queen did the same.

I alos liked Resurrection though so yeah lol.

I like Resurrection too, better than Alien 3. My only problem with AR is the ending, which is too derivative of the first two movies' endings... plus the CGI in the finale sucked.

What did you think of avp extinction?

I haven't played it... YET.

 

[Iceman]

AVP2 is going to be mainstream B movie schlock.

It's sad how Fox has pretty much gutted these once classic movies.

Fox doesn't seem to understand how good Predator and the early Alien films were.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Fox doesn't undertsnad how to make movies anymore.

They ruined

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I mean, i was fun and I liked it, but Fox poked around with it so much so that it just was pretty much average compared to normal movies

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes, pretty much.

Art Linson foresaw this though, that this would happen to Fox under the leadership of Tom Rothman.

 

[Iceman]

Fox doesn't undertsnad how to make movies anymore.

They ruined

They chop budgets and bring forward deadlines for the likes of F4 & X-Men as they don't understand the value of their assets. If these had been given the frredom and $ of Spider-man they would be making a hell of a lot more money from sequels.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Exactly.