Comics Am I being Cynical?

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
Just happened to watch Spawn on TV today and it suddenly hit me. In this marketing comic book world that we live in, did Marvel attempt to tap into the Spawn comic book demographic with One More Day? Al Simmons makes a deal with the devil in the name of love of a woman. Peter and MJ make a deal with Mephisto out of love for Aunt May.There was a time when Spawn was the number one comic for the month. There is a market out there that has accepted a character who out of love has made a deal with the devil. Could this also be Marvel's way of thumbing their nose up at McFarlane.
Just a thought!
Spidey rules

 

[SpideyZERO]

SPOILER if you haven't read Spawn recently






Spawn found out that he actually didn't make the deal because of love, but as a punishment

 

[Joker]

SPOILER if you haven't read Spawn recently






Spawn found out that he actually didn't make the deal because of love, but as a punishment

SPOILER

...there's still someone who actually READS Spawn? What the hell is wrong with you? Are you like...stuck in a time warp where you think it's 1995 and Spawn isnt a derrivative piece of crap created by a man with an ego the size of the empire state building and barely enough real creative talent to fill a thimble? The only thing McFarlane has ever been able to do is draw pretty pictures, and his biggest character was just him going "you know, it would be awesome if Ghost Rider worse Spider-Mans black costume and had a big f**king cape...god, I am so smart! I wish I was someone else so I could blow myself!"

Sorry for the rant, but seriously...Spawn???

 

[November Rain]

ownage....

 

[Themanofbat]

SPOILER

...there's still someone who actually READS Spawn? What the hell is wrong with you? Are you like...stuck in a time warp where you think it's 1995 and Spawn isnt a derrivative piece of crap created by a man with an ego the size of the empire state building and barely enough real creative talent to fill a thimble? The only thing McFarlane has ever been able to do is draw pretty pictures, and his biggest character was just him going "you know, it would be awesome if Ghost Rider worse Spider-Mans black costume and had a big f**king cape...god, I am so smart! I wish I was someone else so I could blow myself!"

Sorry for the rant, but seriously...Spawn???

Honestly Gabe... it astounds me how you still have teeth in real life...

Your internet persona must be the beligerent one...

 

[not_a_victim]

SPOILER

...there's still someone who actually READS Spawn? What the hell is wrong with you? Are you like...stuck in a time warp where you think it's 1995 and Spawn isnt a derrivative piece of crap created by a man with an ego the size of the empire state building and barely enough real creative talent to fill a thimble? The only thing McFarlane has ever been able to do is draw pretty pictures, and his biggest character was just him going "you know, it would be awesome if Ghost Rider worse Spider-Mans black costume and had a big f**king cape...god, I am so smart! I wish I was someone else so I could blow myself!"

Sorry for the rant, but seriously...Spawn???

Wasn't he resposible for Venom?
I liked Spider-Man during his run.
I like the Spawniverse, as well, but I am drawn to that type of darker, more devious comics.

 

[Venom 1988]

Wasn't he resposible for Venom?

Well he was the first to draw him yea, but it was David Michelinie that came up with the idea of the character.

 

[November Rain]

venom isn't something people should be proud of, the character is ultimated ******ed and has no true motivations or goals..

he just 'looks' cool but that was over a decade ago...

 

[SpideyZERO]

SPOILER

...there's still someone who actually READS Spawn? What the hell is wrong with you? Are you like...stuck in a time warp where you think it's 1995 and Spawn isnt a derrivative piece of crap created by a man with an ego the size of the empire state building and barely enough real creative talent to fill a thimble? The only thing McFarlane has ever been able to do is draw pretty pictures, and his biggest character was just him going "you know, it would be awesome if Ghost Rider worse Spider-Mans black costume and had a big f**king cape...god, I am so smart! I wish I was someone else so I could blow myself!"

Sorry for the rant, but seriously...Spawn???

LOLt:

I just get interested in Spawn recently (after the reboot) and it's a horror comic now. It's way different compared to the old Spawn and way better.

But I do agree that Spawn comic, before the reboot (and except the Armageddon arc) is really boring

 

[Dangerous]

Hheheh, Spawn blows.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
I love you guys but you're missing my point. The original Spawn idea was about a guy who makes a deal with the devil in the name of love. This OMD scenario is similar in that aspect,only. But with that aspect, Marvel plugged into a market that was one of the largest comic book buying markets at one time.That people have dropped out of that market means that they are potential customers.Just a thought.(Where did I hear that before?
Spidey rules

 

[Joker]

Nah, it's more similar to Ghost Rider, who was actually the first comic character to my knowledge to make a deal with the devil out of love (true, it was for his stepfather, but still love)...once again, I apologize for getting your thread off track, Spawn just makes me angry

 

[Joker]

LOLt:

I just get interested in Spawn recently (after the reboot) and it's a horror comic now. It's way different compared to the old Spawn and way better.

But I do agree that Spawn comic, before the reboot (and except the Armageddon arc) is really boring

I havent read it since the reboot...I did think that idea they were throwing around for the Sam & Twitch/Spawn 2 movie sounded at least interesting though, with it focusing on them with Spawn himself being more of an urban legend who hardly appeared thing....

 

[Donald Thomas]

Nah, it's more similar to Ghost Rider, who was actually the first comic character to my knowledge to make a deal with the devil out of love (true, it was for his stepfather, but still love)...once again, I apologize for getting your thread off track, Spawn just makes me angry

Aloha,
That's what I was trying to get at. The deal with the devil in the name of love is a theme that has been used before by Marvel and others. Thanks.
Spidey rules

 

[SpideyZERO]

But this time, it's a deal with devil to make one feels better.

Yeap. Peter wants Aunt May to be alive so he will feel better. Not out of love

That's what I hate about OMD the most

 

[Joker]

Yeah...he says as much in OMD...he could accept Aunt May dying if it was of natural causes, but he cant because in his twisted neurotic mind it was his fault, and he cant stand the guilt...

 

[Sloth7d]

venom isn't something people should be proud of, the character is ultimated ******ed and has no true motivations or goals..

he just 'looks' cool but that was over a decade ago...

The 90's cartoon version of him was interesting and had depth.

 

[Infidel]

Spawn was great because Todd McFarlane drew it! I still read it to issue 60 though. Yeah, I know he left and bought a baseball. He was my comic book hero as far as artists go.

 

[farmernudie]

I always loved Todd's art too.

However, Spawn went forever without ever really going anywhere, it seemed to me.

I wouldn't mind havinghim come back and do Spidey tho!!

 

[not_a_victim]

Well he was the first to draw him yea, but it was David Michelinie that came up with the idea of the character.

Ah, thank you.
I'll remind everyone that there are no new ideas in comics. Even if GR was the first comic to show a "deal with the devil", that theme has been around for as long as people have told stories.
Also, MJ and Peter both agreed to the deal, based upon the idea that they were meant for each other and would eventually find each other again, unless I am mistaken. I missed the conclusion of OMD, but I have read reviews, so tell me if I am off.
Everyone is saying that Peter is a bad husband/potential father for making the decision he did, but again, MJ and Peter both agreed.
Also, it showed his overwhelming guilt over Uncle Ben's death, he is determined to NOT be responsible for Aunt May's death, even if just in a peripheral way.
I guess I can understand the whole story, but I do agree that a clean sweep retcon/erasing like this is odd. We will have to wait to see what falls into the retcon and what doesn't. (And I know this isn't really a retcon in the true meaning of the word, but I don't think any other term really fits any better.)
BTW,
This will give writers the power to add/subtract things from past/future story lines, and just say it was part of the retcon, or a result of it.

 

[Joker]

in other words, it's giving the storytellers a way to be lazy and ignore all past continuity just cause they dont feel like making there story work in regards to it.

 

[Themanofbat]

in other words, it's giving the storytellers a way to be lazy and ignore all past continuity just cause they dont feel like making there story work in regards to it.

Any other writers and I might agree with you, but as we both know, Dan Slott is a Marvel purist and is well versed in the Marvel Universe and uses it's rich history as a tool as opposed to a hinderance...

He's certainly NOT a lazy writer.

 

[Joker]

No, he's not, and I totally agree. And I dont think it's him we really have to worry about. But what about the next guy? The guy who decides to do a story about how Electro was a spoiled rich kid and got his powers from an electric eel, cause that's how he sees it, and decides that he can just say "well, that changed cause of the deal too!" That's an extreme example yes, but it's that kind of s**t that we have to worry about with this now. Just another one of the many, many problems that OMD has caused.

 

[Themanofbat]

No, he's not, and I totally agree. And I dont think it's him we really have to worry about. But what about the next guy? The guy who decides to do a story about how Electro was a spoiled rich kid and got his powers from an electric eel, cause that's how he sees it, and decides that he can just say "well, that changed cause of the deal too!" That's an extreme example yes, but it's that kind of s**t that we have to worry about with this now. Just another one of the many, many problems that OMD has caused.

While I can't say for certain what writers can and cannot do, I'd like to think that still have to respect the past as it was because they are telling us that the stories of yesteryear have not changed.

They stopped the wedding at the altar, and Harry survives his ambulance ride...



I will say that I'm approaching BND with a clean slate but with some skepticism...

If they fumble the ball and do not deliver on what they promised, I will leave the books permanently as well.

But me likey thus far...

 

[farmernudie]

Well, Slott isn't lazy....as per continuity. I agree.

HOWEVER, that being said, he is writing a spidey-world that doesn't have much history. ANd what history there is, is alternate.

Joe even said, that they did this so young fans could jump on and understand...so it's admittedly dumbed down...

Slott or any writer now doesn't have to remember or carry on anyone's friendships or past continuity..because it's a "BRAND NEW DAY".