I agree, but to play Devil's Advocate, if the internet was around back when B'89 came out, it's possible that the same would have been said.
Ya maybe for people who didnt have that as their first batman, like I said the film literally is a classic.Seems pretty easy to forget about after TDK.
That's very possible. Heck, there's probably people out there now that think it's the greatest movie ever made. However, I don't think there would have been as many people proclaiming it the next coming as we had with BB, largely because of some of its bigger deviations from the comics (which I'm not saying were good or bad, don't want to turn this into a flame war).
If for deviations from the comics, Nolan doesn't come short either. But all the same most people didn't have a problem with those.
I feel this film is very overrated and i also think Returns was much better. Jack Nicholsan's performance is vastly overrated in comparison to heath's and the pnly reason people praise it so much is because he was the first person to do a villian in the first start of the Batman series. I also feel that Danny Devito and Michelle Pfeiffer's performance were wayyy better than Jack Nicholson's
I dont feel that Batman '89 is overrated. What has happened is that movies like batman begins and the dark knight have presented a version of batman that people prefer as thus they have gravitated away from Burtons film.......as is now batman '89 feels underappreciated and "cast out.....like a leper" from most fans.
Burton's first Bat-film was an origin story about the Joker, whereas Batman was already established. It almost was a vice versa from other flicks, where we see the hero's origin and the villain is just...there. Batman was creepier in that one as well. He was an urban legend, more like a boogeyman.
Yeah you're right I should've elaborated and stated "didn't want to make an origin story for Batman". Here is a quote by Hamm regarding the issue
"You totally destroy your credibility if you show the literal process by which Bruce Wayne becomes Batman."
Keep in mind that he finished his script like 6 months before Year One was even published and on comic stands so at the time there was no real Batman comic origin story so that also could've affected his perspective.
So you see the three stories that were vital to the Nolan vision weren't even in existence when the script for that movie was completed. But people choose to ignore things like this for some reason and keep ignorantly comparing as if every Batman movie had the same goal.
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What 3 stories where vital to the Nolan vision?
"TDK" didn't make me forget "B89."
Comparing one another is absurd.
CFE
Yeah, because comparing two Batman films to eachother is just crazy...
Yeah, because comparing two Batman films to eachother is just crazy...
Wow, get off your high horse. Seriously. I have no respect for people like you. You're one of those elitists who look down upon and make fun of anyone whose idea of what comics should be like doesn't match theirs.But it's about adventures. It's escapist fiction. I pity the fanboys who don't see the comics as a form of escapism, instead they want to turn these "flamboyant fantasies" (quoting Miller) into something that makes sense by real life logic. That's why the cry about things like One More Day and their precious "continuity". It is to Especially Batman (like Superman) is one of those clear-cut morality books from the second World War.
That page has got to be one of the most cringe-worthy things I've ever seen. I've haven't read any 80s Bat-comics other than Ra's introductory arc and A Death in the Family (both stories were so cringe worthy that they scared me off Batman stories from that decade, especially the brain-damaged part with a French-speaking Ayatollah Khomeini making the Joker the Iranian ambassador to the UN), but if the only way writers from those times could inject humor in the stories was by making Batman act like a manchild like in that pic, then I'm glad that I stopped there.And build you own opinion, don't re-chew things you've heard like "O'Neill made Batman dark and brooding AGAIN!". He made him "dark" again, but Batman was NEVER brooding. He was the hairy chested love god. And he was quite funny
The BTAS BAtman wasn't brooding either. And this guy was modelled after the 70s/80s.
Wow, get off your high horse. Seriously. I have no respect for people like you. You're one of those elitists who look down upon and make fun of anyone whose idea of what comics should be like doesn't match theirs.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your opinion isn't indisputable fact. The medium has been changing, evolving and trying different styles and tones through its existence, and none of those styles is more legit than the others just because you say so.
That page has got to be one of the most cringe-worthy things I've ever seen. I've haven't read any 80s Bat-comics other than Ra's introductory arc and A Death in the Family (both stories were so cringe worthy that they scared me off Batman stories from that decade, especially the brain-damaged part with a French-speaking Ayatollah Khomeini making the Joker the Iranian ambassador to the UN), but if the only way writers from those times could inject humor in the stories was by making Batman act like a manchild like in that pic, then I'm glad that I stopped there.
As for BTAS, I've never seen its Batman act so immaturely. BTAS has its fair share of humor, without having to resort to kind of juvenile humor.
Batman Returns, if my memory serves me correctly, does a good job with this too.