Well I might have to considering he just delivered back to back the two greatest Batman motion pictures, and the best movie of its caliber and genere. I mean Nolan is just a vast superior talent to Burton. Nolan co-wrote and directed the best superhero movie of all-time, and the best back to back comic book movies seen on screen. He deserves it from all bat-fans. Just get on your knees Bat-fans, and …
You’re so repetitive. You have no logical argument. Nolan is better…because he made the best Batman films? That’s a matter of
opinion and yours isn’t law. Stop acting it. I don’t think Batman Begins is any better then Batman ‘89. I know plenty of people that even dislike it, deeming it utterly boring. They’re just different takes.
Burton went the comic route and Nolan revolved around character and realism. If this has some bearing on possible Oscars then don’t you realize Burtons been nominated numerous times for numerous other films in the past? So again…matter of opinion. I give Nolan an immense amount of credit, but I don’t feel a need to insult Burton when I do it. I’m not blindly bias toward him. I’m neither a Nolan fan nor a Burton fanatic, I’m a Batman fan first and foremost. An informed Batman fan can acknowledge that they’re both accurate depictions.
For someone to argue that Burtons vision is somehow inaccurate to the source material…they must’ve had limited exposure to the comics.
Gargoyles hear and there ... but the architexture of the city was never before B89 potrayed as a Gothic for the sake of being Gothic. Never. And what makes over stylized Gothic architexture threatning? I live in Chicago, and there is elements to my city that make Burton's visual look to his city look like happy1778 town. Real cities have various elements that make it up. Not entirely poor and run down, there is wealthy areas, different styles of architexture built up over generations
I’m starting to see that no amount of gothic pictures of Gotham will ever get you to admit you were wrong.
Deeeenial! But here are more anyway…because it’s fun making you look idiotic and unfairly bias.
Literally called Batman
Gothic.
Batman 639 (2005). Batman has long been established by gothic imagery and modern times make no exception of it.
Batman 227 inspired by Bob Kanes Detective Comics 31
Batman 444.
Depicting a very stylized Gotham city.
And they’re based off of a comic! Or didn’t you know? By your blatant lack of knowledge on Batman comic book history…I wouldn’t be half surprised if you didn’t.
Yes, Chris Nolan puts you in a contemporary enviornment that sucks the audience in and makes them feel they are actually immersed in a world that is similar to our own ... therefore there is more relatability to the heroes, and the villains and their acts feel more threatning and dangerous. No wonder Burton fans don't understand concepts like this ... like Burton compared to Nolan, there is an intelligence gap there. haha
It's more threatning and oppressing because the world is relatable in look and feel ... thus making the insane actions of the characters inside of it more believable. Threatning doesn't come from overly stylized Gothic architexture, naked men statues in claustrophobic Wal-Mart sized Gotham set pieces. The inhabitants of Nolan's Gotham are more threatning. The people make it threatning, not the look of buildings. Buildings that look like a flip side to say Candy Land? No ... threatning is slums based off real life oppressive low income housing. Oppressive and threatning is the elements that holds the people of Gotham down by their greed and corruption.
I’m an audience member. I was proudly there opening day for Batman Begins. I walked out especially pleased. Can you guess where I’m going? I wasn’t sucked into his Gotham whatsoever. It was background. It has no visual soul. I didn’t especially pay any attention to it whatsoever. So…doesn’t that debunk your entire rant as opinion? Don’t you know what an opinion is? Plus it’s not like Nolan left out the gritty and gothic stuff, it’s just not laid on nearly as thick. We still have the Narrows, Arkham, and a few other locations outside the city itself. Batman still appears shadowed and vampyric. He’s still frightening and brooding. It’s there still, I just happen to prefer Burtons setting more so. It directly inspired Batman the Animated Series too, arguably the most well-respected American cartoon ever produced and nearly unanimously praised higher then even the highest of live-action Bat-outings.
Plus I’m humored by your condescending “intelligence gap” comment when you’ve successfully misspelled “threatening” and “architecture” every single go-around. Oh the irony! Need I mention you’ve used it seven times in two paragraphs? Can’t think of another adjective? I have trouble believing you were alive before 1989. I’d like to think adults have better grammar and spelling skills and common sense enough to not make any intelligence insults whilst riddling their posts (again and again) with childish errors. It’s no wonder you can’t put up an argument. It’s no wonder you can’t admit when you’ve been defeated. No amount of factual evidence will have you concede. You’re utterly clueless.
Gotham is supposed to be a real breathing city, massive with depth. Who says Gotham translates to Gothic?
Denis O’Neil, Neil Adams, Grant Morison, Paul Dini, Bruce Timm, Tim Sale, Jeff Loeb, Bill Finger, Jim Lee, Frank Miller, and many other contributors I‘m forgetting. They’ve all been involved in projects that portrayed a gothic Batman and/or Gotham, not all of which can be placed after Tim Burtons original film. Even Christopher Nolan retained elements. Even the very name (
Gotham) argues with you. So excuse me…but Gotham has been gothic. Repeatedly proclaiming it’s never been means one thing - You’re ignorant of the facts. I’m far from the only one in this thread who’s called you out on it.
But here’s the kicker. I’ll love to see how you squirm out of this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG9Mp-dnKJs
“I envisioned Gotham the way I see it now at Pinewood. They’ve got every brick and every building and cornerstone here. It’s just marvelous!” -
Bob Kane
Gotham is supposed to be a real breathing city, massive with depth. Who says Gotham translates to Gothic? I've heard no one downplay how threatning Gotham feels in Nolan's movie universe for Batman. In fact, they gush how it is a very scary place, the scariest seen on screen for Batman.
They're supposed to be normal buildings. Look at Batman: Year One ... city feels real and is still threatning without going overboard with a circle jerk of Gothic fantasy. And the look of Nolan's Gotham is on point with Batman: Year One.
My god! More Batman: Year One? Can you site anything else? More misspelled descriptions? More lies? You’ve heard
me downplay how threatening Gotham feels in Nolan’s universe. This Gotham in-and-of itself doesn’t scare me whatsoever. It’s the people that reside there that are the threat. That’s what frightens me and brings this city to life. I agree it’s frightening, but only in the context of the characters and story. To paraphrase, “It’s nothing without the people that made it.” We’re discussing the actual visual city itself. Burtons had character without the colorful citizens. I mostly see no architectural style from Nolan. Only the exceptions of Arkham and the Narrows stand out in his Gotham. You do realize that Gothic architecture is
real architecture…
Tell that to the critics who have said from BEGINS to TDK, Gotham and the world created by Nolan has gave way to the MOST FRIGHTENING comic book world seen on screen. Why? People lose themselves in the film because the movie world Nolan creates bleeds into what we know and feel living in our own everyday world.
Burton had Gothic fantasia? Wow, threatning. Oh I forgot, Penguins with rockets, Clowns shaking their ass to Prince and defacing art in museums ... FRIGHTENING!!!
This is about the critics? They have no bearing on my opinion. They shouldn’t have any influence over anyone’s opinion. That’s pathetic and juvenile to go with essentially a popular vote for the sake of popularity.
Think for yourself! I wouldn’t care if this film was critically bashed or praised…I’m going to decide for myself.
I’m not going to defend Batman Returns. Even I feel that Burton ran too far with that film, but summing Jack Nicholson’s Joker with Prince music and dancing is an unfair assessment. The film has a huge body count and the Joker is merely acting like the clownish killer of that era. A humorous (albiet darkly) but homicidal psychopath…what a novel idea. Read the comics! Wow…
ACCURACY!
Countless stories prior to the 80's has Batman set in a city that wasn't a Gothic toilet. Never was the city ever made up of that much Gothic architexture in the source material ... NEVER. It was always to whatever extent they took it visually, a recognizable city.
A bandwagon Dark Knight follower? LOL ... uhh, ok. I can live with that, whatever it means. I was around as a Batman fan before B89 ... don't be salty Nolan has put out the 2 BEST Bat-films of all-time. Without a single piece of overly fashioned Gothic set piece.
That’s very true. You can chalk that mostly up to the Comics Code censoring out any adult, psychological, and violent themes first seen in the original Bob Kane stories. But countless stories
have Batman set in a city that was gothic too. Batman is a very old character with a humongous and evolving past. So there you go again, making inaccurate proclamations that only make you look like an ignorant poser. For Example; Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth definitely was as gothic and stylized as Burtons films. View this fan trailer and prepare to be enlightened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-7W3be8XtQ
Scene for scene Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth. Literally the page lifted to screen. This is inarguably
more gothic and stylized then Burtons original film. Whilst that was released during the height of Bat-hysteria in ‘89, your obnoxious claims of
never are debunked by just a single book. I’ll be happy to site more examples if you decide to continue this dance.
So the point is this; No one cares if you dislike Burtons original film. You’re more then entitled to. But if you’re going to troll-bash it by using inaccurate arguments and misinformed insults…Batman fans will call you out on it. I’m sure I’ve not been the first, I’m far from the only one, and I doubt I’ll be the last. Your claims of Gotham never being gothic are
incorrect. Your claims of Joker never acting like Nicholson’s version are
incorrect. Your knocks on Burtons Batmobile are
unfair considering the vehicles comic history. These have all been proven (comic panels and covers) by numerous people in this very thread, no matter how much you still deny it. You can’t argue with everyones photos. Stop trying. Burton (Batman ‘89) was mostly accurate to the source material, only having a few alterations. Begins and Dark Knight include just as many alterations. If you want to get technical, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and the Animated Series are the most accurate translation of the character and Batman mythos. They’ve topped any live-action versions tenfold. Now give me your address, I’ll be happy to send you some Batman comics (outside of Year One) for the mere purpose of
educating you. Otherwise stop speaking on subjects you obviously know little about. You’ll look less ignorant.
So don’t be
salty because you personally don’t like or prefer Burtons comic accurate version. Don’t make up lies about that version. It has existed, whether you like it or not is irrelevant. It's
all Batman and '89's version is far from being despised. Maybe Dark Knight does have the majority currently, but things change. Jack's Joker got praise originally like Heath's Joker is getting today. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrows Joker has poser kids come in and bash Heaths Joker. Life has a way of repeating itself. That also doesn’t mean that said majority looks down upon the original Burton film because of Dark Knight. Plenty of people still prefer it, I even know some that prefer it. Don't act bitter...live with it.
Would you stop that? Seriously. "Bat-wings on something that belongs to Batman? Pshaw!" Also, there are actually bat-wings on the Tumbler. Look closer.
I know!
Le Gasp! A batmobile that resembles a comic book batmobile! What was Burton thinking?
