Comics Amazing Spider-Man #606 preview (possible spoilers)

^ It makes me think of the Simpsons Comic guy in a basement at 3 o'clock in the morning going panel by panel, comics in one hand, his computer mouse in the other...

Come on, clones. You didn't think of the scene he was referring to when MJ returned to the book in the early 80's when you saw that preview?

Granted, I wouldn't know the issue number off hand...

Anyway, that sounds interesting (if a little forced) about Black Cat, considering how she felt when Pete first unmasked.
 
I honestly didn't. And if I had, I would have filed it away as an homage, not "Marvel running out of ideas, blah blah, blah" People see what they want to see.
 
The scene with MJ bursting in, while cliched, doesn't bother me as much as Peter not saying something after Norah's manic racist outburst. I don't object to Norah being written as a racist. I object to the fact that Peter's moral character would normally compel him to come to Michelle's immediate defense (even if he doesn't care for Michelle personally), but is rendered timid and silent here. This to me grates a lot more than Peter sleeping with someone after drinking too much. I'm not saying he should have given Norah a sermon about social responsibility or yelled at her to get out, but he should have at least made a peep about that being a low blow. And Norah, ugh. Between the very awkward and kinda nasty "poo-poo my pants" comment and the anti-Mexican jibes, she is quickly becoming my least favorite BND character.
 
If all this is true, then Marvel has reverted Black Cat and Spider-man relationship back to what it us to be. Felicia had developed so much more as a character. The dynamic between her and Peter had changed drastically. It's upsetting to see Marvel just sweep so many things under a rug. Ah well, I Had a feeling that's what was going to happen, but I guess I was holding out hope that maybe Marvel could have kept at least a "few" characters in tack after BND.

All this "I know something happened but I don't know what" BS that the characters in the Marvel universe are spitting seems so amateurish in regards to the writers. Why keep reminding fans that? Just move on.
 
I'm going to read the issues before passing judgement...

:yay:
 
Well, a couple of spoilers:

Aside from her no longer knowing that Spider-Man is Peter Parker thanks to the "psychic blindspot/mindwipe" (although she still remembers that he had revealed his true identity to her) and resuming her occupation as a thief (she steals a notebook from Dexter Bennet), Felicia has also somehow regained her Bad-Luck powers, which she refers to as her "hilarity ensues" powers.

Also, the cover of this issue actually gives away the cliffhanger, with just a slight difference. Spidey and Black Cat's make-out kiss winds up getting broadcast on the JumboTron in Times Square and MJ is unlucky enough to see it.
 
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IMO...

This is just a giant LEAP backwards, to have Black Cat, and others, but Black Cat, in this instance, not able to remember all their past, and the growth of their characters and relationship.

OMD/BND flaws seem to get more and more annoying as they go, and stand out even more, and people are put into the stories and looked at, as per the reprecussions of the reboot.

Arghy. :csad:
 
My favorite version of felica was post The Evil That Men Do, where she came to grips with her problems and kinda realized that while she hated Pete at first she eventually came to love him. Like she was in the Millar run of Marvel Knights.

Question does Felicia remember that she used to live with Peter Parker and if so why? Follow up question, same thing with flash thompson? Does she remember why she fought with MJ?

Gotta say Kelly's setup for the guantlet is the most interesting thing I've seen in this BND world I just hope they stick with Pete's actual villians and not just make them younger opposite gender versions of themselves. I hated the older girl kraven and her stupid trap when she first came out, but this younger looking odd girl version is much more interesting.
 
It's disappointing to see Marvel revert her character like this.

Just got done reading the issue and while it had some interesting moments, it just feels like it's been done already. The relationship between Spider-man and Black Cat had grown past all this. Felicia had developed as a character. Why take all that away? I'm so tired of characters hinting at Spidey. "I know something is wrong with your identity, but don't know what....". Marvel we get it. BND happened. We understand that the characters have been reset. There's no need to constantly remind us.

It's just frustrating to see this happening with all of Spider-man's supporting cast.
 
I honestly didn't. And if I had, I would have filed it away as an homage, not "Marvel running out of ideas, blah blah, blah" People see what they want to see.

I wasn't complaining. I noticed it as a call back the last time MJ left the title for a long while.

What I meant, was I was surprised a fellow long time reader hadn't picked up on it. Oh well, geek points for me. :cwink: And I wasn't "in a basement at 3 o'clock in the morning going panel by panel, comics in one hand, computer mouse in the other..." :cwink:
 
And I don't know what to think about this issue. I'm slowly conceding the new status quo and I'm glad to see the Black Cat again. And I also like the art. But, you're right, a lot of development in Black Cat's character is thrown out the door.
 
All right, here’s what I thought of this issue:

*First of all, Mike McKone does a very good job on the artwork this issue. Each of his figures have a distinctness which seems rather appropriate given their role in the story. For example, Peter looks appropriately haggard, while as Spider-Man there’s a kind of boyishness about him. Mary Jane looks beautiful while down to earth, while the Black Cat looks like a cute and gorgeous swimsuit pin-up. Mind you, there’s tendency for some panels that seem a bit crowded at times, but the action sequences are handled very well.

*Also, it’s fairly clear what Kelly is going for it this story. With the return of MJ and still haven’t gotten over her despite their break-up, his roommate, Michelle, giving him a hard time over his apparent “dumping her” last issue, and now Norah showing signs of girlish infatuation towards him, Peter’s love life is far too complicated. So the Black Cat’s return to the picture and the idea of a second chance with her seems like a tempting offer--even though given his narrative captions and the cliffhanger at the end of the issue (which the cover actually gives away to some degree save that MJ sees the kiss on the JumboTron in Times Square), he’s clearly making a bad decision. Especially, given the look on MJ’s face, it’s clear she hasn’t gotten over her feelings for Peter as much as she let on, so it will be interesting to see how she reacts when she and Peter run into each other again.

*Thing is though, I’m not much of a Black Cat fan, as I always saw her as a bit too much of a Catwoman knock-off, but certainly the chemistry and dialogue between her and Spidey is fun, no question about that. Obviously, with Spidey’s newfound single status, she becomes a far more tempting prospect for him to peruse. The downside, however, is that this feels like déjà vu all over again. Faster than you can say “I love the 80s,” it’s not only established that, despite remembering their past relationship and how it ended, Felicia no longer knows Spider-Man is Peter, and we learn that once again, she’s a professional thief, that once again she has her “Bad Luck Powers,” and by issues end is once again kissing Spider-Man. And thus years worth of emotional development and progress for the Black Cat gets thrown out the window. But then again, considering how the One More Day/Brand New Day retcon has done this essentially with various characters in Amazing Spider-Man already, why should we be surprised?

*Also, I found the humor particularly forced, especially the opening scene with Peter having to deal with MJ, Michele, and Norah all at once and striking out with all three as they literally all slam the door on him and leave him to deal with kitchen fire. Now I understand there’s a tradition in Spider-Man for lovely ladies who are all mutually attracted to our hapless hero getting into verbal catfights with one another; but at least, at the end of the day, they still managed to be likable, not the pair of mean-spirited, immature, harpies that Michele and Norah were in this issue (and no, get me started on Michele once again being the abusive and demanding psycho again or Norah coming off as a borderline racist on top of being a childish brat). Also, Diablo (apparently a Fantastic Four villain I understand who even Stan Lee thought was one of his worst characters) is quite ridiculous.

*There certainly was some intriguing set-ups here, though. The prologue showing Madame Web forced to psychically locate Spider-Man by Ana Kravinoff certainly had me intrigued over where this particular storyline is heading. Likewise, who exactly hired the Black Cat and what was so important about Dexter Bennet’s notebook? And why is he being targeted? I must admit I’m curious like a ca…oh, never mind.

Suffice to say, this certainly would be an okay issue, and it certainly is lighthearted, as the Black Cat’s return would be. Yet, you still can’t shake the feeling that we’ve “been there and done that” with this comic, in that it serves as further proof that the current status quo has essentially become virtually identical to what it was 20 to 30 years ago. It seems that rather than moving forward, the name of the game is to keep moving backward.
 
Who the heck wants a comic book that never ends to move FORward? I think if you've been reading about the same superhero for 10 or 20 years or whatever, I think it's just part of the rules that you're here for the fun/nostalgia and if something feels familiar, it's probably because, well, you've been reading for 10 or 20 years. If serial fiction feels stale, then the character ain't the problem, the reader is.

Here's to Spidey being forever young, single and kicking bad-guy butt!

As for the issue itself! I loved it so much it made me do this today!

SpideyCatColor.jpg
 
Who the heck wants a comic book that never ends to move FORward? I think if you've been reading about the same superhero for 10 or 20 years or whatever, I think it's just part of the rules that you're here for the fun/nostalgia and if something feels familiar, it's probably because, well, you've been reading for 10 or 20 years. If serial fiction feels stale, then the character ain't the problem, the reader is.

Here's to Spidey being forever young, single and kicking bad-guy butt!

So, I take when Peter and MJ get back together, you're not going to complain about the comic not moving "FORward," right? :cwink:

Seriously, I get that given this is a serialized medium, things are bound to repeat themselves, "illusion of change" and all that great stuff. The thing is though that it can't have the feeling of, as one poster put it, having the tires of your car continually spin while stuck in mud. And while certainly, this issue acknowledges Spidey and the Black Cat's history together, at the same time [blackout]what with her no longer knowing who he really is, and being a professional theif again, AND having somehow gotten her Bad Luck (or "hilarity ensues") powers back[/blackout] it feels like a lot of the development the Black Cat has undergone has been all for naught and she's back to square one.

Although, considering what Joe Kelly said about his plans for her over at IGN, there may be added awkwardness for Spidey regarding Felicia next issue moreso than there already is.


As for the issue itself! I loved it so much it made me do this today!

SpideyCatColor.jpg
Not bad. :up: :yay:
 
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As a Black Cat fan, this issue stood out to me, as the worst issue yet, only because of the glaring regression of the supporting staff.

For the first issue, this one really shows how they do not have a handle, imo, on how to handle who remembers what.

Spidey and Black Cat, like PEte and MJ, have a lot of history together, so it stinks to see them have to start over, in a repeat.

Not to mention, that she isn't frantic, asking spidey why she can't remember certain things about them and why her brain is swiss cheesed. I dunno...like i said, this issue felt more off than any issue so far, accentuating the problems with the reboot, imo.

Sure I like Spidey and black Cat like THIS.......back THEN....when they were at square on before, previously, done already.
 
Thanks!

I get what you're saying. It doesn't matter to me much really, but I can see it getting irritating that their history is reset a bit. The Fantastic Four re-discovered his identity, so maybe they're slowly gonna start re-revealing it to the key people in Peter's life who knew the secret.

Then again, with the ridiculous amount of retcons, pain, and trauma caused by Norman Osborn post-Clone Saga, I'm actually having lots of fun with even OSBORN not knowing. We just got done with a Chameleon story, and it was pretty darn good and he used to know didn't he? I could go both ways on it, but for the time being, I'm kinda glad hardly anyone knows his secret anymore. Only time will tell what happens, but for now I'm having such a blast that the Black Cat thing isn't bothering me.
 
For the first issue, this one really shows how they do not have a handle, imo, on how to handle who remembers what.

Spidey and Black Cat, like PEte and MJ, have a lot of history together, so it stinks to see them have to start over, in a repeat.

Not to mention, that she isn't frantic, asking spidey why she can't remember certain things about them and why her brain is swiss cheesed. I dunno...like i said, this issue felt more off than any issue so far, accentuating the problems with the reboot, imo.
Farmie, it's a brand new day... just because Black Cat didn't freak out on panel; doesn't mean that she didn't off panel. Good to see that you're still fighting the good fight.

The only thing that's bothering me right now (aside from the Demonic reboot) is the constant reminders of said reboot. Either they explain evrything or sweep everything under the rug, but don't keep dangling it in front of our faces... Man! It feels like when one of your firends takes an embarassing pic of you and every time that you see him, he shows the pic to everyone you know. (in-laws, co-workers, etc.)
 
Who the heck wants a comic book that never ends to move FORward? I think if you've been reading about the same superhero for 10 or 20 years or whatever, I think it's just part of the rules that you're here for the fun/nostalgia and if something feels familiar, it's probably because, well, you've been reading for 10 or 20 years. If serial fiction feels stale, then the character ain't the problem, the reader is.

Here's to Spidey being forever young, single and kicking bad-guy butt!

As for the issue itself! I loved it so much it made me do this today!

SpideyCatColor.jpg

Holy...! Thats amazing!
 
The only thing that's bothering me right now (aside from the Demonic reboot) is the constant reminders of said reboot. Either they explain evrything or sweep everything under the rug, but don't keep dangling it in front of our faces... Man! It feels like when one of your firends takes an embarassing pic of you and every time that you see him, he shows the pic to everyone you know. (in-laws, co-workers, etc.)

Maybe they are building up to something, so they keep the reminders because first of all, the reminders are required so that people are AWARE that this is NOT a reboot and all the previous history still happened, and secondly, whether you think it's being handled bad or not, reminders are there to create some type of "build-up"... in the old days, some stories had build ups that last YEARS before finally seeing a resolution, and I like it... as opposed to the "make it clean for 6 issues and we can release a TPB" format...

:yay:
 
As for the issue itself, I liked it... Felicia talks about her current history with the Puma, and the fact that Spidey was "good in the sack" (yikes!!! :wow: ), and quite frankly, given her "don't give a **** attitude", it comes off natural that she doesn't care if she can't remember who Spider-Man is... because quite frankly, she never really wanted to know...

The art was nice, and I thought the writing was average, but all in all, a very enjoyable issue and it's nice to see the Black Cat prouncing about NY City with Spidey chasing her tail... it's been a while.

:yay:
 
As for the issue itself, I liked it... Felicia talks about her current history with the Puma, and the fact that Spidey was "good in the sack" (yikes!!! :wow: ), and quite frankly, given her "don't give a **** attitude", it comes off natural that she doesn't care if she can't remember who Spider-Man is... because quite frankly, she never really wanted to know...

The art was nice, and I thought the writing was average, but all in all, a very enjoyable issue and it's nice to see the Black Cat prouncing about NY City with Spidey chasing her tail... it's been a while.

:yay:

So The Evil that Men Do and Millar's MK Spider-Man just never happened in your mind?
 
True that the old mysteries had a multi story span, but wasn't OMD supposed to bring forth this new Spidey-world and then forgotten about it? Having these OMD-change reminders, bring back the awful aftertaste of OMD. We have over 3 years worth of stories and all that we have is that Mephisto (Whose role is now being downplayed) created a chain of events in which Spidey never married, yet everything happened just the same. Spidey had some help to create a psychic block to make sure that people forget that Peter = Spidey.

Black Cat knew who Spidey was, forgot and she doesn't seem to care that much about her memory gaps... That is sad, but works in order to keep this charade. There lies the problem. Marvel wants us to accept this new reality, yet they keep reminding us that it is not real. Wasn't this whole mess (The way that Marvel set up OMD and OMD itself) created to separate Peter from MJ? If Peter and MJ are having second thoughts about this separation (the one from the 'Mephistoverse' not OMD); wouldn't that affect Marvel's plans of keeping them appart?

How can they want us to move forward if they keep reminding us that this isn't real!? Will this reality crumble and the real 616 Spidey return? or will it just be swept under the rug, like the whole baby May thing. (Before the mystic abortion.) It's not that I want answers now, but it feels like they're making it up as they go.
 
So The Evil that Men Do and Millar's MK Spider-Man just never happened in your mind?

I didn't read TETMD, so I have no opinion on it... a book being 3 years late in mid-story really grated on my nerves... and it's hard to peg that story into continuity because so much had changed since issue #1 and the final one... I've heard some people state that it's simply not in continuity.... but I've not read it, so I have no opinion on that particular subject.

True that the old mysteries had a multi story span, but wasn't OMD supposed to bring forth this new Spidey-world and then forgotten about it? Having these OMD-change reminders, bring back the awful aftertaste of OMD. We have over 3 years worth of stories and all that we have is that Mephisto (Whose role is now being downplayed) created a chain of events in which Spidey never married, yet everything happened just the same. Spidey had some help to create a psychic block to make sure that people forget that Peter = Spidey.

Black Cat knew who Spidey was, forgot and she doesn't seem to care that much about her memory gaps... That is sad, but works in order to keep this charade. There lies the problem. Marvel wants us to accept this new reality, yet they keep reminding us that it is not real. Wasn't this whole mess (The way that Marvel set up OMD and OMD itself) created to separate Peter from MJ? If Peter and MJ are having second thoughts about this separation (the one from the 'Mephistoverse' not OMD); wouldn't that affect Marvel's plans of keeping them appart?

How can they want us to move forward if they keep reminding us that this isn't real!? Will this reality crumble and the real 616 Spidey return? or will it just be swept under the rug, like the whole baby May thing. (Before the mystic abortion.) It's not that I want answers now, but it feels like they're making it up as they go.

The point of OMD was to eliminate the "marriage" from existance... whetehr Peter and MJ make it back again as a couple (and I have no doubt of this) is whenever editorial feels like the time is right.

But at the end of the day, the events that led to OMD and the fallout afterwards that some have yet to be explained (the 100 day gap between OMD & BND) still need to be addressed... yes, it might be leaving bad tastes in some people's mouths, but continuity still has to be addressed, so the mind wipe and how it happens is still a story that needs to be told, and hopefully it can explain more stuff...

But Marvel characters have gone through more changes before in the past (like the Chameleon being able to "morph" into whoever he wanted to be), and this may be the case with the Black Cat... a sort of return to her roots... but at least they are acknowledging her relationship with the Puma and other recent stuff she did...

:yay:
 

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