Americans - Has public opinion changed much on Bush and Iraq?

[Crowforge]

Then I say we take the world down with us.

 

[Cosmic]

The Patriot Act. Guantanamo Bay. This, and others, accepted and embraced by the American people. All for the sake of combating the "war on terror".

I mean, I just want to know how many Americans accept, because it is a fact, that they were duped. That they were lied to. That their government has made fools out of them. How many Americans accept that they were wrong?

In no way intended to be an American bashing thread.

Well, the American people were not "all for the war in Iraq." Shocking, I know.

The Patriot Act and Guantanamo were not "accepted and embraced by the American people." Not even close.

It's true that many were duped, and all were told lies, including yourself. But that doesn't make you a fool in my eyes. Most other things you have there are true. I'd only suggest that if you're going to follow the mainstream media as your primary news source, then just take everything you hear with a huge grain of salt, and also try to find out what they're NOT talking about.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Democrats move in and say that theres gonna be a change. We'll see in '07. But all I hear is the same old thing from Bush in every single press conference. Heres what I see...I see a stubborn old man who can't face the fact that it was a mistake to enter Iraq. And not even a hundred close advisers to the president can make me him change his mind, nor will he ever admit defeat or fault. He's the president, and its not his job to look weak, so, "staying the course" is his way of shutting people up. Its a shame, but he's not the first president to have ever been faced with war, but he's probably the first to approve of it on false information, if we always went to war with false intel then this country would have been battered years ago with a new war every decade. Perhaps this is merely the start.

Wow, you've apparently never heard of a little thing called Vietnam. While it is only speculation that Bush lied to get into that war. It is FACT that the Johnson Administration lied to escalate the war there.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, the American people were not "all for the war in Iraq." Shocking, I know.

Exactly when the war began we were practically split down the middle.

The Patriot Act and Guantanamo were not "accepted and embraced by the American people." Not even close.

At first, most of us accepted them on account that the September 11th attacks happened. But now, many of us are thinking, boy we sure were stupid willing to give up some of our freedoms for security. It happens all the time. Like when there were state governments that supported segregation or slavery, now we look back and say, boy we were stupid to support such things.

 

[Strong Guy]

How about the atrocities done to the American soldiers? Does that disgusted you as well?

I am against all kinda violence so yeah,i am disgusted by that,too.I ain't too keen on all those killings.Can't we all get along without any killings?

 

[hippie_hunter]

I am against all kinda violence so yeah,i am disgusted by that,too.I ain't too keen on all those killings.Can't we all get along without any killings?

It's never going to happen. Human history has always been violent and will continue to be violent.

Why? Because of hatred. Hatred will always exist. Hatred will arise over pride, over religion, over race, over territory, over dominance, over history, over whatever you can think of. You get rid of one hatred, another one will just simply take it's place.

You can't just simply get rid of hatred. It's an emotion. Just like love, happiness, sadness, anger, anxiety, and excitement. It's a part of us. It's part of what makes us human.

Because of that, there will always be war. There will always be fighting. There will always be murder. There will always be crime. Unless you want to take away something that makes us human, killing will remain.

 

[Strong Guy]

It's never going to happen. Human history has always been violent and will continue to be violent.

Why? Because of hatred. Hatred will always exist. Hatred will arise over pride, over religion, over race, over territory, over dominance, over history, over whatever you can think of. You get rid of one hatred, another one will just simply take it's place.

You can't just simply get rid of hatred. It's an emotion. Just like love, happiness, sadness, anger, anxiety, and excitement. It's a part of us. It's part of what makes us human.

Because of that, there will always be war. There will always be fighting. There will always be murder. There will always be crime. Unless you want to take away something that makes us human, killing will remain.

Y'know.I think you have a point there.

 

[kainedamo]

It's never going to happen. Human history has always been violent and will continue to be violent.

Why? Because of hatred. Hatred will always exist. Hatred will arise over pride, over religion, over race, over territory, over dominance, over history, over whatever you can think of. You get rid of one hatred, another one will just simply take it's place.

You can't just simply get rid of hatred. It's an emotion. Just like love, happiness, sadness, anger, anxiety, and excitement. It's a part of us. It's part of what makes us human.

Because of that, there will always be war. There will always be fighting. There will always be murder. There will always be crime. Unless you want to take away something that makes us human, killing will remain.

We may not be able to stop hatred, but we can tackle the things that are at the root of crime. Like poverty, and mental illness. And we can improve on relations between nations. But there will always be people that committe crime, even if they come from a good home and were raised properly. Like kids that go and shoot up schools. Kids don't even have to be bullied to go on a shooting spree, some of them just do it for seemingly no reason.

 

[CyberFaust]

sometimes a shooting spree seems sike a good idea


anyhow, i think people just got tired of protesting against the war that much. public support for the war is lower then ever

 

[souloffire]

I hate when people say that. Just because someone says American soldiers have committed atrocities doesn't mean they are a supporter of attrocities carried out on Americans.

You know what I hate, people that condem the entire military on the actions of a few but have no problem giving the enemy the benefit of the doubt.

 

[kainedamo]

You know what I hate, people that condem the entire military on the actions of a few but have no problem giving the enemy the benefit of the doubt.

You're being simplistic.

 

[souloffire]

You're being simplistic.

No I'm not, I've seen this on this board too many times.

 

[kainedamo]

No I'm not, I've seen this on this board too many times.

Give me a direct example.

 

[souloffire]

Give me a direct example.

Look for the threads about The Patriot Act,Guantanamo Bay, Gitmo and countless threads about Iraq.

 

[Gonking]

Well, the American people were not "all for the war in Iraq." Shocking, I know.

The Patriot Act and Guantanamo were not "accepted and embraced by the American people." Not even close.

Something I still can't understand is why, the most of the americans voted for him again.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Nobody believes politicians can give them a better life anymore.

All politicians can do now is promise to protect you, if you'll do as they say.

The threat of Terrorism (which is miniscule in the US) has allowed Bush's Government to scaring and controling the US public. It's ridiculous how many Americans actually believe this is a simple 'good guys/bad guys' war. It's nothing of the sort.

Bush has allowed a country to be ravaged, millions to have died and billions more to lose more of their liberty every day.

More and more people are aware of what is really going on, but it's still not enough. Every redneck (like in Borat) who screams for the good ol' US soldiers to bomb Bin Laden and Al-Queda (a name the US Government came up with) out of his cave needs to be educated fast.

 

[hippie_hunter]

We may not be able to stop hatred, but we can tackle the things that are at the root of crime. Like poverty, and mental illness. And we can improve on relations between nations. But there will always be people that committe crime, even if they come from a good home and were raised properly. Like kids that go and shoot up schools. Kids don't even have to be bullied to go on a shooting spree, some of them just do it for seemingly no reason.

Hatred, like poverty, ignorance, and the like is also a root of crime.

 

[kainedamo]

Look for the threads about The Patriot Act,Guantanamo Bay, Gitmo and countless threads about Iraq.

No, I want you to go out and find it, because quite frankly I'm not sure what you're talking about. I think I know, but I haven't seen evidence of it myself. I've never seen a person say "guantanamo is wrong" and say "hey, its great that Saddam abuses human rights!".

 

[souloffire]

No, I want you to go out and find it, because quite frankly I'm not sure what you're talking about. I think I know, but I haven't seen evidence of it myself. I've never seen a person say "guantanamo is wrong" and say "hey, its great that Saddam abuses human rights!".

I've not only found these threads, I've pointed out what I was saying to you on these threads as well. Not only were posters accusing the guards at Gitmo and Guantanamo Bay of mass torture, they were also saying that most of the inmates were"innocent bystanders plucked off the streets".

 

[Strong Guy]

Yeah.SOme people there don't deserve to be there.They're being held against their will just because they have thick beards and talk funny.And the magnitude of the tortures is just horrendous.

 

[souloffire]

See what I mean.

 

[tomahawk53]

I've not only found these threads, I've pointed out what I was saying to you on these threads as well. Not only were posters accusing the guards at Gitmo and Guantanamo Bay of mass torture, they were also saying that most of the inmates were"innocent bystanders plucked off the streets".

Yeah and anybody who says that there haven't been posts like this hasn't been around on the hype too long.

I too find it shocking that many are ready to condemn the US Military but don't have a problem giving the enemy the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that so many have such hatred for anything 'Bush' that they will go out of their way to be against him on anything.

 

[Addendum]

I don't think about Bush or Iraq at all. Neither have been a concern of mine

 

[Honey Vibe]

I don't think about Bush or Iraq at all. Neither have been a concern of mine

What an appalling statement. You're an insult to the man quoted in your signature.

 

[StorminNorman]

President Jefferson was an insult to the man in Addendum's signiture as well