The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man!

[Vid Electricz]

There are different brands to Spidey's humor.
There's situational humor where he takes advantage of the situation and it's funny

There's points where he quips out of fear or instinct in situations that he really shouldn't

There are jokes he does out of shear desperation in order to calm his mind even though he knows he's going to lose

There's good jokes, bad jokes, funny jokes, cruel jokes
And sometimes when the situation is dire, no jokes at all

Bottom line, Spidey is a smartass but that level of quippyness depends on the situation and the writing. In Amazing Spider-Man, it comes off as cruel during the car jacker scene because this is a guy who he thinks may have killed his uncle. of course he's going to torment him. And after the carjacker is webbed to the wall you can see Spidey get suddenly serious and pounce at him to confirm if it is the killer.

The issue I have with the carjacker scene is, given the juxtaposition to the previous scenes where Peter agressively threatens and then viciously breaks the dudes hand and slams another against the wall in his search for the killer, his instant and unpredicated change to a fun, jovial, trickster comes off as unnatural and tacked on (as fanservice for all the fanboys who want quips whether it's appropriate for the story or not).

No one is complaining about loyalty to the source material, but like many things in TASM, it is the way they are utilized.

 

[The Vigilante]

The issue I have with the carjacker scene is, given the juxtaposition to the previous scenes where Peter agressively threatens and then viciously breaks the dudes hand and slams another against the wall in his search for the killer, his instant and unpredicated change to a fun, jovial, trickster comes off as unnatural and tacked on (as fanservice for all the fanboys who want quips whether it's appropriate for the story or not).

No one is complaining about loyalty to the source material, but like many things in TASM, it is the way they are utilized.

Would you rather have had him rip off the car jackers face like he did to Sasha Kravinoff? The sudden fun and trickster quality comes with the costume. It was probably his first night out wearing the full on Spidey costume so of course he's going to have fun regardless of searching for his uncle's killer or not. Not to mention, there's a fear factor involved in his trickery and taunting behavior. The carjacker was obviouslty scared of this guy shooting webs and wearing red and blue tights. The taunting was instinct with that.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Would you rather have had him rip off the car jackers face like he did to Sasha Kravinoff? The sudden fun and trickster quality comes with the costume. It was probably his first night out wearing the full on Spidey costume so of course he's going to have fun regardless of searching for his uncle's killer or not. Not to mention, there's a fear factor involved in his trickery and taunting behavior. The carjacker was obviouslty scared of this guy shooting webs and wearing red and blue tights. The taunting was instinct with that.

Huh? Who's asking for that? I'll answer: Nobody.

I'd appreciate a little character consistency. Especially when he's searching for his Uncle's killer which we assume he's meant to be taking seriously. With the carjacker, he's obviously having fun.

If they wanted to fit in Spidey's trademark sense of humour, why not have a sequence after the bridge scene where, after realizing his true purpose as Spider-Man, stops muggings, saving civilians, etc...(As perfectly showcased in Ultimate Spider-Man). This would not only be an effective way of further showing Peter finally understanding he must use his powers for the good of others, but also allowing him to quip and joke. It would make more sense tonally, character-wise, and story-wise. Instead, he goes to his room and looks at his mask...? Missed opportunities.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Thank god for the ignore list.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Thank God! I know that when I can't handle someone's lucid, logical argument, I add them to the ignore list.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Thank God! I know that when I can't handle someone's lucid, logical argument, I add them to the ignore list.

Do you ever stop to think that if the majority find your argument to be fallible and insensitive to other's opinions that maybe, just maybe, you're the odd man out? I could cite a couple examples of a certain poster bringing up ASM in a thread about Tobey Maguire for instance. How logical and lucid is that?

I don't personally ignore people on this site because it still shows when and where they posted. And I find that inane. But I see the appeal in ignoring people because of their very vocal, very negative, always present, often repetitive opinions. It makes sense in real life too.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Do you ever stop to think that if the majority find your argument to be fallible and insensitive to other's opinions that maybe, just maybe, you're the odd man out? I could cite a couple examples of a certain poster bringing up ASM in a thread about Tobey Maguire for instance. How logical and lucid is that?

Really, the majority, eh? So there's been a vote?
Fallible? Insensitive? (You are talking about Anno, right?) Barring the obvious hyperbole, there's a pervasive school of thought on these boards that any exceptional or dissenting arguments/opinions must be "negative", "insensitive" or "fallible" (Also barring the incorrect usage of that word).

So you can bring up an instance of a certain poster discussing TASM in a Tobey Maguire thread, but you choose to ignore any of the positive, on topic contributions that poster has also made? Very selective, but it seems to bolster your argument, so...

I don't personally ignore people on this site because it still shows when and where they posted. And I find that inane. But I see the appeal in ignoring people because of their very vocal, very negative, always present, often repetitive opinions. It makes sense in real life too.

I don't see the point in putting anyone on ignore. It makes zero sense to me. I've found that many complaints concerning "negative" comments are simply upset that they don't hear an echo of their own overly optimistic, rose-coloured POV in said poster. That, or they can't defend/formulate an actual rebuttal when their arguments/statements are questioned.

 

[Loki882]

No Viz, when you say that people who disagree with you aren't making lucid valid arguments, and that your opinion is the only right one, it makes you look like an arrogant jerk. We saw Peter's sense of humor throughout the movie, not just once, so it didn't come out of nowhere. I can show you the specific scenes if you want.

 

[sl500jazz]

No Viz, when you say that people who disagree with you aren't making lucid valid arguments, and that your opinion is the only right one, it makes you look like an arrogant jerk. We saw Peter's sense of humor throughout the movie, not just once, so it didn't come out of nowhere. I can show you the specific scenes if you want.

Agreed!

 

[JOE]

I think Vid might be the new Anno.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Thank God! I know that when I can't handle someone's lucid, logical argument, I add them to the ignore list.

You were always added to my ignore list, unfortunately for me I can still see what you say when someone quotes it, like I'm doing now.

Logical? Hmm..

 

[PeterBenParker]

I think Vid might be the new Anno.

Definitely seems that way, that's for sure.

 

[Oscorp]

I think Vid might be the new Anno.

He's been like that long before Anno got banned.

 

[TheLastBlade]

Nice to see that there's always a replacement :P

 

[Spiderdevil]

I think Vid might be the new Anno.

One cant be the new Anno without an obsession for TDKR

 

[Scarlettess]

I always thought the point of the carjacker scene wasn't to show Spider-Man 'taunting' the carjacker, but rather to show what it feels like to wear that suit for the first time. As Stan the Man has stated many times in interviews, it's the costume that makes Spidey, that gives him the courage and freedom to joke in front of his enemies. As as soon as Peter puts on the costume, he's like a different person. The costume initiates the change from when Peter is Peter Parker to when he is Spider-Man (outwardly speaking). I feel that scene was more there to show the initial change, then for it to be, as you say, 'tacked on'.

I think the point of the humour can be missed too, he's not 'joking' around. He's getting revenge, in a dark humouristic manner. The 'jokes' are of anger really, and more than that, it's of all his repressed rage from being bullied all the time that he finally lets loose. That's what I got from the scene anyway, but everyone's different, and while respectfully disagree with your views Vid, I can also respect them, especially coming from someone who, I assume, has read a lot more comics than I.

 

[Loki882]

He was humiliating that carjacker and prolonging the ordeal. He even said that if the carjacker had had the tattoo that "things could have gotten a lot worse for you pal."

 

[OcStat]

The issue I have with the carjacker scene is, given the juxtaposition to the previous scenes where Peter agressively threatens and then viciously breaks the dudes hand and slams another against the wall in his search for the killer, his instant and unpredicated change to a fun, jovial, trickster comes off as unnatural and tacked on (as fanservice for all the fanboys who want quips whether it's appropriate for the story or not).

No one is complaining about loyalty to the source material, but like many things in TASM, it is the way they are utilized.

The change is because now he is in costume. Spider-Man is a persona. The mask enables him to act in a way which he doesn't feel comfortable acting as Peter Parker. When the mask comes on he is someone else. Even with an emotionless mask, we get more personality and character in that one scene from Spider-Man than we did in all the movies last time around. Without seeing his face, that slight nod of the head shows a change in demeanor and he instantly feels like a threatening presence. (Of course being a movie, the change in the score helps).

And then you say you want him joking around after the Bridge scene, the scene where he realizes what exactly that mask means to him, and the power and responsibility he has on his shoulders?

Scarlettess knows what's up. Just read that post one more time if you are still confused.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

Someone ban Vid Electriz please, lol. He has been upsetting a lot of people on this forum.

Regarding the humor I was quite pleased to see that Marc Webb generally said there were many things he would have changed about ASM, both he and Avi Arad admitted they felt under pressure to make ASM out of convenience. They also said (In Empire) that ASM2 will be the first movie where it will live up to the name 'Amazing'. Marc said supposedly they hired a team of comedians and had them sat around a round table to come up with lines for Peter to say, so I guess he will be funnier and more appropriate this time. I.e, not just saying funny things when he wants revenge.

I do agree that it just looks better when he is quippy against the villains rather than normal human civilians. I do feel as though Peter was missing some of the warmth that he normally has, but I guess in the more modern human grounded take on the character it makes sense that he has a certain amount of anger inside him that obviously wasn't present in Raimi's version.

 

[Vid Electricz]

The change is because now he is in costume. Spider-Man is a persona. The mask enables him to act in a way which he doesn't feel comfortable acting as Peter Parker. When the mask comes on he is someone else. Even with an emotionless mask, we get more personality and character in that one scene from Spider-Man than we did in all the movies last time around. Without seeing his face, that slight nod of the head shows a change in demeanor and he instantly feels like a threatening presence. (Of course being a movie, the change in the score helps).

And then you say you want him joking around after the Bridge scene, the scene where he realizes what exactly that mask means to him, and the power and responsibility he has on his shoulders?

Why wasn't he joking around and quipping in his prototype costume then? Remember? The red mask, sunglasses, and jacket?

Yes, it would have made more sense, if as I suggested, there was a montage, ala Ultimate Spider-Man (#5 I believe) where he realizes what his responsibility is and there is a montage of him saving people, taking down thugs, etc...

As it is, we got a prolonged scene of him teasing (for the first time, though he had been in costume before) a carjacker and joking/quipping excessively. It just didn't feel appropriate to the story. It's as though the writers knew the audience was expecting a Spider-Man that jokes around a lot, so they leapt at that first chance and shoved it all into one scene (he never really jokes or "quips" again until the Lizard school fight). Hence why it felt more like fanservice to me than something that fit orgianically into the story they were telling.

 

[OcStat]

He's a teenager who has been kicked around as long as he can remember. This version, every version. All of his quips come from that place, dishing it out because he's received it for that long. He messes with petty crooks all the time, and can be pretty menacing when he feels the need, (or when Todd MacFarlane writes him).

That Webb interview sounds interesting, I hardly read interviews before the movies come out to stay away from any spoilers, but usually forget to go back and read them. I have been curious what his verdict on TASM is now.

 

[HanShotFirst]

Damn this Vid dude posts a lot. I actually thought he was Anno Domini(pretty sure he is) and put him on my ignore list long time ago.

 

[JOE]

I'd love to see Vid and Anno have a discussion. Scratch that, I'd PAY to read one of their debates.

 

[Green Goblin]

The issue I have with the carjacker scene is, given the juxtaposition to the previous scenes where Peter agressively threatens and then viciously breaks the dudes hand and slams another against the wall in his search for the killer, his instant and unpredicated change to a fun, jovial, trickster comes off as unnatural and tacked on (as fanservice for all the fanboys who want quips whether it's appropriate for the story or not).

No one is complaining about loyalty to the source material, but like many things in TASM, it is the way they are utilized.

If I remember he only got pissed when the car jacker was webbed up. The man could have killed his uncle so and this was before Captain Stacy's speech.

 

[OcStat]

Why wasn't he joking around and quipping in his prototype costume then? Remember? The red mask, sunglasses, and jacket?

Yes, it would have made more sense, if as I suggested, there was a montage, ala Ultimate Spider-Man (#5 I believe) where he realizes what his responsibility is and there is a montage of him saving people, taking down thugs, etc...

As it is, we got a prolonged scene of him teasing (for the first time, though he had been in costume before) a carjacker and joking/quipping excessively. It just didn't feel appropriate to the story. It's as though the writers knew the audience was expecting a Spider-Man that jokes around a lot, so they leapt at that first chance and shoved it all into one scene (he never really jokes or "quips" again until the Lizard school fight). Hence why it felt more like fanservice to me than something that fit orgianically into the story they were telling.

I am pretty sure the scene with his makeshift costume was just a montage was it not?

And he didn't have enough time to say anything at all in the brief encounter he had with the Lizard in between the bridge and school.

So you would've preferred them to add scenes for no reason other than to show Spidey being Spidey because you don't like the moments where Spidey is being Spidey already in the film?

Anyway, even if they did add some lines for fan service, I'd say that's a pretty good reason since they dropped the ball on that mark three films in a row.