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[Oscorp]

It's the same way dudebros talk about Scarjos boobs and ass and how tight their outfits are.
It goes both ways. So what if girls or gay guys talk about an actors hot body. People do it with the female characters and no one really bats an eye, lets be honest. I saw a damn poll in the Iron Man boards comparing Paltrow and some other girl in terms of hotness.

That's what I'm saying. It goes both ways. And it's perfectly fine. Women are not the only victims of sexism.

 

[Vid Electricz]

That's what I'm saying. It goes both ways. And it's perfectly fine. Women are not the only victims of sexism.

Only about 95% of the time.

 

[Matt.S99]

Everyone sexualizes the sex they are attracted to, it's natural. But to say people are "weirded out" because I jokingly did it about a male, it's damn ridiculous! I'm more creeped out by stereotype greasy fanboys saying they would or would not bang *insert actresses name here*


Women ARE the victims of sexism more often than not. And so many people look down upon females because of their sex(I'm not saying anyone here is Doing that, but still)
Blame my feminist ways

 

[Oscorp]

Only about 95% of the time.

Women in general are as "sexist" as men. Just listen to all the Twilight talk from the girls, or their talk about men in general.

You never think or talk about how visually attractive you find women?

I honestly don't see how a "Who is hottest?" discussion is sexist. People do that all the time, girls included.

Yes, the job market itself is sexist, but that's a completely different thing. If I want to talk about which girls I think look hot, or if batboy99 wants to talk about hot men, that's not the slightest sexist.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Thank you. And I'm sure most people know I'm just playing into the ridiculous double standard on any type of message boards. And I'm not stopping.
I saw polls comparing which two female characters were hotter. And that's okay? Nope. So, I don't care. If people don't like me saying how hot Henry cavill or Andrew Garfield are, don't read.

It's the same way dudebros talk about Scarjos boobs and ass and how tight their outfits are.
It goes both ways. So what if girls or gay guys talk about an actors hot body. People do it with the female characters and no one really bats an eye, lets be honest. I saw a damn poll in the Iron Man boards comparing Paltrow and some other girl in terms of hotness.

Don't forget that when an actress is cast, she is almost always judged based solely on her appearance (As opposed to Bale and RDJ who are heaped with accolades on their fine acting) or fidelity to the comic book drawing. And lets be honest, while the male actors are critiqued for their appearance, it's nowhere near the degree to which the actresses are.

Has everyone already forgotten that Shailene Woodlely was bashed mercilessly by fanboys across the internet for "not being hot enough". Ugh. I never once heard a critique of her actual acting skills.

 

[Matt.S99]

Don't forget that when an actress is cast, she is almost always judged based solely on her appearance (As opposed to Bale and RDJ who are heaped with accolades on their fine acting) or fidelity to the comic book drawing. And lets be honest, while the male actors are critiqued for their appearance, it's nowhere near the degree to which the actresses are.

Has everyone already forgotten that Shailene Woodlely was bashed mercilessly by fanboys across the internet for "not being hot enough". Ugh. I never once heard a critique of her actual acting skills.

This.


I'm just doing what people won't. To a more extreme extent. And I'm damn proud of it.

 

[Oscorp]

I still want to know why men discussing who they think look hottest is anymore sexist than how women discuss men.

Saying something like "She'd be a better girlfriend because she is hotter!" is sexist. Only stating which girl you think is hotter is not.

 

[JOE]

Because they're irrelevant, sexism prevails.

 

[Matt.S99]

Oh, I don't think that's bad. Go ahead and voice your opinion on who is hotter. Whether we like it or not, it's going to happen.

But don't say I'm weirding people out when I comment on a mans looks.
I'm just saying how its ridiculous that people think like that. That's all.

And it is true that actresses are judged on their appearance way more then the men are. And there really is no denying that.

 

[Oscorp]

Oh, I don't think that's bad. Go ahead and voice your opinion on who is hotter. Whether we like it or not, it's going to happen.

But don't say I'm weirding people out when I comment on a mans looks.
I'm just saying how its ridiculous that people think like that. That's all.

And again, I specifically said I'm not weirded out by your comment(s).

 

[Vid Electricz]

I still want to know why men discussing who they think look hottest is anymore sexist than how women discuss men.

Saying something like "She'd be a better girlfriend because she is hotter!" is sexist. Only stating which girl you think is hotter is not.

One isn't better than the other, to be sure. It's still all objectification. The real problem is the overarching and frankly disturbing attitude that a lot of men display towards women in real life as well as (to a greater extent) the internet.

No one was kicking and creaming and shouting that Bale wasn't attractive enough to portray Bruce Wayne. But look at the demeaning and hateful things said about Maggie Gyllenhaal, Kirsten Dunst and Shailene Woodley. It's always their appearance that is attacked. They're always measured up against the impossibly proportioned comic book drawings (and the unrealistic expectations they produce), while Bale, who looks nothing like Bruce Wayne in the comics, gets away scot free because of his intense portrayal of the character. Fair? Not really.

 

[Matt.S99]

And again, I specifically said I'm not weirded out by your comment(s).

I know. I wasn't referring to you.
Also, this has happened before to me so I'm just talking from experience.

 

[JOE]

I'm the one who said that, batboy. It's nothing against you, it's just fact. I'm assuming there are more males than females on these boards. When guys see posts about how good looking a guy is, it's weird. They don't want to ready about so and so's abs or chiselled jaw, they want to see boobs and butts and more boobs.

It's just the majority factor.

 

[Oscorp]

One isn't better than the other, to be sure. It's still all objectification. The real problem is the overarching and frankly disturbing attitude that a lot of men display towards women in real life as well as (to a greater extent) the internet.

No one was kicking and creaming and shouting that Bale wasn't attractive enough to portray Bruce Wayne. But look at the demeaning and hateful things said about Maggie Gyllenhaal, Kirsten Dunst and Shailene Woodley. It's always their appearance that is attacked. They're always measured up against the impossibly proportioned comic book drawings (and the unrealistic expectations they produce), while Bale, who looks nothing like Bruce Wayne in the comics, gets away scot free because of his intense portrayal of the character. Fair? Not really.

I'd say one isn't worse than any other. What exactly is wrong in discussing what kind of look you prefer, as long as it's purely about the looks (see my girlfriend example)?

People have made lots of jokes about Bale's mole. People have complained alot about Tobey Maguire's looks. I've read lots of complaints about Cap America's looks (not talking about the suit). Wolverine's height etc.

But yeah, I'm not completely disagreeing with you. The Bruce Wayne example is a very good one. Hollywood is sexist, there's no doubt about that. But what I wanted to point out is that women aren't any less sexist than men. The reason you see more complaints about women looks are because there are more men (or boys) in these kind of boards. It's this "men are bad, women are good!" attitude I don't like.

 

[Matt.S99]

Well, I guess that's just too bad then, isn't it. Whatever the majority is here, there are still females and gay males on these boards. You don't think the women find it weird how so many guys are drooling over pics of said actresses boobs or ass? I don't really want to read about a chicks boobs, but im not going into those threads saying I'm so weirded out about it, not unless I'm asked about it personally. I know it's going to happen regardless. (And I spend more time in threads about female characters because I prefer them to Mao characters, in all honesty. I spend most of my time here in the WW thread. )

It's a public message board with different races, sexual orientations etc. so, people gotta live with it.

 

[JOE]

True, I'm just stating facts.

 

[Matt.S99]

Not really, you're more just stating your opinion. Not every straight guy here is going to think it's weird. Case in point, Oscorp.

 

[fuflipflops]

there is no sexism against men, because men are not oppressed. there is objectification, absolutely, and men are affected by the principles of sexism (if you're girly you're a lesser men, because society equates anything to do with women as bad) and the dictionary definition of sexism goes both ways, but the real world doesn't abide by the rules of the dictionaries.

sexism, racism, homophobia, cisssexism, etc is all based on oppression. the privileged class, whether willingly or by history, diminishing already oppressed classes and perpetuates the behavior passed on from generation to generation.

yes, some women talk about men's bodies and judge them on how hot they are, but there isn't a culture of valuing men only for their looks, there isn't a culture of dehumanization of any men who doesn't look a certain way, there isn't a culture of fear and humiliation on men, men haven't only gotten the right to vote recently (in historical terms), men aren't denied rights on what to do with their bodies (abortions, etc), men earn more in any job by simple virtue of being a man, men don't have the amount of advertisements aimed at them saying how much they should change about themselves to be acceptable that women do.

now, men can 100% be a victim of discrimination and it might hurt on a personal level, there's no denying that, but there's also no denying that what men go through is not nearly as bad as what women (and people of color, and queer people, etc) experience. there is no comparison. there is a recent study that shows how discrimination affects men and women, and for men, because our society is men-oriented, the discrimination is felt a minor annoyance, since whatever criticism is aimed more at men in general, as in the culture of masculinity, not one specific person, while for women, because our society has put them down so much and made it so personal, the effects are long-lasting and psychologically damaging.

we live in a systematic institution that deliberately makes it harder for women to have rights, and that's why it's worse to make sexual comments about women than men. it's like you're kicking someone who's already down.

 

[Loki882]

I remember reading about an Avengers panel where all of the male actors were constantly asked about their characters/acting style/etc. Scarjo, on the other hand, kept getting asked question that in one way or another related to her looks. I heard people constantly say that she was "fat" in the Avengers, which is absurd, or that she was only their for "sex appeal" which also wasn't true. No one argued those things about Ruffalo, Downey, Evans, etc.

 

[mayo23]

Why did batboy99 get probationary banned?

 

[Loki882]

The big difference between male and female objectification, especially in movies, is that when male characters are objectified, its to show how "awesome" or "badass" they are. For example, Hugh Jackman having his shirt off in TW was to show how much of an unstoppable beast Logan was. When females are objectified, its PURELY for titillation and sexual.

 

[Vid Electricz]

there is no sexism against men, because men are not oppressed. there is objectification, absolutely, and men are affected by the principles of sexism (if you're girly you're a lesser men, because society equates anything to do with women as bad) and the dictionary definition of sexism goes both ways, but the real world doesn't abide by the rules of the dictionaries.

sexism, racism, homophobia, cisssexism, etc is all based on oppression. the privileged class, whether willingly or by history, diminishing already oppressed classes and perpetuates the behavior passed on from generation to generation.

yes, some women talk about men's bodies and judge them on how hot they are, but there isn't a culture of valuing men only for their looks, there isn't a culture of dehumanization of any men who doesn't look a certain way, there isn't a culture of fear and humiliation on men, men haven't only gotten the right to vote recently (in historical terms), men aren't denied rights on what to do with their bodies (abortions, etc), men earn more in any job by simple virtue of being a man, men don't have the amount of advertisements aimed at them saying how much they should change about themselves to be acceptable that women do.

now, men can 100% be a victim of discrimination and it might hurt on a personal level, there's no denying that, but there's also no denying that what men go through is not nearly as bad as what women (and people of color, and queer people, etc) experience. there is no comparison. there is a recent study that shows how discrimination affects men and women, and for men, because our society is men-oriented, the discrimination is felt a minor annoyance, since whatever criticism is aimed more at men in general, as in the culture of masculinity, not one specific person, while for women, because our society has put them down so much and made it so personal, the effects are long-lasting and psychologically damaging.

we live in a systematic institution that deliberately makes it harder for women to have rights, and that's why it's worse to make sexual comments about women than men. it's like you're kicking someone who's already down.

Very well put

This is exactly what a lot of people on these boards need to see. But like always, the ones that need to know this kind of stuff are the ones who will not put in the effort to really understand (or even acknowledge) these issues.

I remember reading about an Avengers panel where all of the male actors were constantly asked about their characters/acting style/etc. Scarjo, on the other hand, kept getting asked question that in one way or another related to her looks. I heard people constantly say that she was "fat" in the Avengers, which is absurd, or that she was only their for "sex appeal" which also wasn't true. No one argued those things about Ruffalo, Downey, Evans, etc.

The big difference between male and female objectification, especially in movies, is that when male characters are objectified, its to show how "awesome" or "badass" they are. For example, Hugh Jackman having his shirt off in TW was to show how much of an unstoppable beast Logan was. When females are objectified, its PURELY for titillation and sexual.

Both 100% correct.

 

[Loki882]

If there wasn't a double standard, we wouldn't have people seriously argue that AMY ADAMS was too old and not hot enough to play Lois Lane, or that Scarjo was fat in TA, which is crap.

 

[sl500jazz]

Although both sexes have been objectified at some point (two wrongs don't make a right), fuflipflops is correct in saying that historically only women have been subject to sexism, discrimination, and stereotypes rendering them the perceived "weaker" sex. Thus, sexual comments towards women (as opposed to men) are met with much more sensitivity. There is a double standard because of the historical context. When someone makes comments about a woman's appearance, it hits closer to home than it does for men.

That being said, I do not necessarily believe that sexual objectification always weakens a woman. Most of the time appearances are unnecessary, but just as Wolverine's muscles/appearance makes him both sexually desirable and "badass", the same could be said of certain female characters. Characters like Emma Frost, Poison Ivy, and Catwoman (just to name a few) are aware of the sexual objectification that they are subject to and use it (along with their intelligence and superhuman abilities) to manipulate the men that stand in their way. It's something that their male counterparts cannot do. They take something that has historically diminished women to nothing more than an object to be desired, and use it to their advantage. I love my unstoppable femme fatales.

 

[blake c]

Not really, you're more just stating your opinion. Not every straight guy here is going to think it's weird. Case in point, Oscorp.

I didn't think anything you said was weird at all, I say similar stuff about Andrew Garfield all the time and I'm not gay. There are just to many stereotypes for people to misjudge a male based on a comment about another guy. Women call other women hot all the time and never get accused of being homosexual. So why can't guys?