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[Spideyman123]

hm... this has to be the first good argument I have heard from you

Still, even though Peter is being is being unreasonable and not responsible, that's exactly why he needs to learn a lesson. He needs a reality check

Peter is a petty jerk. But the movie is not "letting it slide" because teenagers do that, it's not rewarding Peter for being a jerk, it results in his uncle dying

 

[Anno_Domini]

But this, was no chocolate milk
Simply not as bad as the movie

The bold just sums it all up, thanks Aziz

What do you know about compassion? Haha!

This question just makes absolutely no sense when you don't know a thing about me.

Congrats with sounding truly ignorant.

You're joking right ? I would be pissed with the cashier too after denying me that milk over a few cents. Certainly not be in a helping mood.

I love how everyone is a paragon of justice here but in reality people are just *****es. Thats what I liked about Webbs Peter, he felt like a real person.

Be pissed enough to not help a cashier out when he denies you your chocolate milk?

 

[Joe_Kickass]

No he isn't being petty. He's war-weary. He's literally bearing the weight of the world on his shoulders and gets fed up. That's what a real person is like. And note that when he lets the guy get mugged, he believes himself to be powerless and doesn't think there's anything he can do. Of course he makes up for that by running into the fire.

And eventually he does realize his error. You see, this is advancing a character- rather than having him deal with the same problem endlessly he faces new challenges and learns new lessons.



I wasn't aware that we were discussing the "Gwen situation" here. And to your point about the clerk's remark, how could he know about Peter's family? Maybe he was as disregarding of Peter's life as Peter (And many of you) are disregarding of the clerk. It doesn't matter though, since Peter is the one in the wrong, no matter how you slice it. Whether or not the clerk is a rude jerk, Peter was supposed to pay for the milk or step aside. Peter certainly could've just nicely asked the guy to let him slide for two cents and that he'd bring it the next time. The real point is that the scenario was simply poorly conceived and executed to begin with.

Peter just ran away from home after getting into an argument with Uncle Ben. Do you think he's in the mood to be kind and very easily forgiving? The clerk was an was acting like an a-hole by adding the whole mommy didn't give you your milk money line in a mocking tone and constantly calling him kid. Peter wasn't rude at all to him, he just said "Come on, it's just two cents", then the cashier comes at him with a saracastic attitude. Peter is already in a mad mood, maybe even feeling a little self-pity. He sees the guy come in, but if you noticed the thief never made to hurt the cashier, because he never even pulled his gun. The thief then threw the chocolate milk to Peter, almost like a bribe. Peter watches the whole thing take place, so he was obviously a little hesitant about helping or saying something, but he didn't. It wasn't his problem.

 

[Oscorp]

You don't seem able to see things from a wider perspective. It's not about the milk only. Peter was pissed at everything and had alot going on inside him with a lost father and all. Irresponsible? Yes, that's not to deny. But to see things with such a tunnel vision is why I see you don't understand emotions and people.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

The bold just sums it all up, thanks Aziz



This question just makes absolutely no sense when you don't know a thing about me.

Congrats with sounding truly ignorant.



Be pissed enough to not help a cashier out when he denies you your chocolate milk?

The cashier was never going to be hurt and he looked too young to be the owner, so at worst he'd probably just get his a** chewed out by his boss.

 

[SM71]

Oh, so I guess Raimi's Peter wasn't self-centered and petty when he decided to stop being
Spider-Man, potentially allowing dozens of people to die, and willingly let's a guy get mugged by not trying to do anything at all. He realizes he was wrong for it and decides to be a hero again.
Why can't Peter do the same for the Gwen situation? He made a bad decision and realizes the impact of it, so he decides to improve upon himself. Also, the clerk said "What, your mommy didn't give you your milk money?". He's an orphan who just got into an argument over his parents with his Uncle. You telling me that it's unreasonable for him to be p*ssed off by that and possibly take it personally? Btw, if you remember correctly the robber threw Peter the milk, which probably made Peter even less wanting to interfer.

Great points through this whole post. But the bolded part especially, as small of a thing as that is, it almost makes you like the robber for a second. And even when he kills Ben, it was an accident. That's what's so great about this movie. There's shades of grey to everything, and to every character

That point also adds another reason for Peter not to initially go after him as well

 

[chamber-music]

Peter was moody and lashed out at uncle ben in Raimi's spider-man as well but no one is saying his a jerk.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The cashier was never going to be hurt and he looked too young to be the owner, so at worst he'd probably just get his a** chewed out by his boss.

No one said the cashier would be hurt, but he did ask Peter for help and while acting like a brat that he was remembering that he couldn't get his chocolate milk, Peter's reply is "Not my policy".

This is when no one even knows about his powers...he just acts like a tool without anyone thinking he has powers. And people say he doesn't help because he's drunk with powers...how does that make ANY sense?

 

[Spideyman123]

My God

 

[Anno_Domini]

Peter was moody and lashed out at uncle ben in Raimi's spider-man as well but no one is saying his a jerk.

Here's the thing...Peter lashing out on Ben both times is definitely being a jerk, but it's when someone says Webb's Peter was filled with emotion because of his confrontation with Ben, I don't buy that. Raimi's Peter had a confrontation with Ben as well, but that had nothing to do with letting the thief go on that scenario. I don't buy Webb's Peter letting the thief go because of his emotions over the Ben confrontation either.

 

[SM71]

Be pissed enough to not help a cashier out when he denies you your chocolate milk?

He had also just made a joke about Peter's mother, when 5 minutes earlier Peter got into an emotional fight about his Parent's not being around and leaving him as a child

 

[TheWallCrawler]

This arguing over the chocolate milk thing is getting ridiculous. Yes, I kinda meh'd when the scene starts with Peter trying to buy chocolate milk, but also you people are putting way too much focus on the chocolate milk when the product Peter tried to buy was really irrelevant to the point of the scene

now can we get over this?

 

[Spideyman123]

This arguing over the chocolate milk thing is getting ridiculous. Yes, I kinda meh'd when the scene starts with Peter trying to buy chocolate milk, but also you people are putting way too much focus on the chocolate milk when the product Peter tried to buy was really irrelevant to the point of the scene

The level of stupidity in this thread is hilarious

 

[Anno_Domini]

He had also just made a joke about Peter's mother, when 5 minutes earlier Peter got into an emotional fight about his Parent's not being around and leaving him as a child

This arguing over the chocolate milk thing is getting ridiculous. Yes, I kinda meh'd when the scene starts with Peter trying to buy chocolate milk, but also you people are putting way too much focus on the chocolate milk when the product Peter tried to buy was really irrelevant to the point of the scene

I get the idea of what the cashier said, sure I do...but if anyone thinks Peter is written in a "real way", then they're just smoking some good stuff...no one would decide to not help someone out just because a cashier made a joke about someone's parents that are dead, or at least I wouldn't be someone that wouldn't help someone out.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

No one said the cashier would be hurt, but he did ask Peter for help and while acting like a brat that he was remembering that he couldn't get his chocolate milk, Peter's reply is "Not my policy".

This is when no one even knows about his powers...he just acts like a tool without anyone thinking he has powers. And people say he doesn't help because he's drunk with powers...how does that make ANY sense?

No one said he was drunk with power. And the reason why Peter said that is because just a few moments ago the cashier was talking to Peter in a way that wasn't necessary, he could have been kinder himself, but he didn't
he acted like an a** towards him, making fun of him and inadvertly making a jab about his dead mother, which even though he didn't know about, would still hit
Peter kind of hard especially since he just got into a tearful arguement about his parents. Now all of a sudden he's asking for Peter's help? The person he was just really rude to a second ago? Plus Peter appears as a 17 year old kid, like you said the cashier doesn't know he has powers, so why would he ask for Peter's help?What could Peter do? Tackle him?The thief had a gun.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

@Anno Like I said before, Peter does make a morally wrong choice. That's why there are consequences

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Plus Peter was in one of those "Screw everybody, I don't need them, I was right" type moods. A mood I'm sure everyone has gone through at some point in their life.

 

[spider-neil]

I like the fact that there was conflict between Ben, Peter and Aunt May. In SM (2002) there is one scene where Peter has a go at Ben for trying to lecture him, other than that, nothing.
I'm sorry, but no conflict in a family environment isn't realistic.
Webb needs to work on his action but (imho) he nails the character interactions.

 

[Spideyman123]

I like the fact that there was conflict between Ben, Peter and Aunt May. In SM there is one scene where Peter has a go at Ben for trying to lecture him, other than that, nothing.
I'm sorry, but no conflict in a family environment isn't realistic.
Webb needs to work on his action but (imho) he nails the character interactions.

This

 

[SM71]

This arguing over the chocolate milk thing is getting ridiculous. Yes, I kinda meh'd when the scene starts with Peter trying to buy chocolate milk, but also you people are putting way too much focus on the chocolate milk when the product Peter tried to buy was really irrelevant to the point of the scene

now can we get over this?

Sorry, I was a prime perpetrator to the longevity of this discussion. I was just irked when I saw people bashing Peter so bad for not helping over "a bottle of milk" when that's not simply the case, that I wanted to add some defense

Agreed though, the discussions run its course, definitely time to move on

 

[Nathan]

Good luck with that. I can see the chocolate milk being brought up every couple pages, to keep the fire alive.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Y'all make it sound like Peter walked into the convience store one fine afternoon and went to buy some chocolate milk and the cashier said:
"I'm so so so sorry sir, but you're two cents short. I wish I could overlook that, its nothing personal, I'd love to give you this chocolate milk, but it's against store policy."
Then Peter's response:
"Two cents? TWO CENTS?! You won't sell me this cheap a** chocolate milk because of two cents? You know what? Screw you and your Gene Simmons haircut you fat chelostrol filled doughboy."
Then the guy gets robbed and Peter just walks out of the store.

 

[Anno_Domini]

What could Peter do? Tackle him?The thief had a gun.

No one found out he had a gun except for Ben.

But, as people has said, we should move on; I'm already getting tired of posting about the same subject when I'm one of two or three that have different feelings about the entire scene.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Sorry, I was a prime perpetrator to the longevity of this discussion. I was just irked when I saw people bashing Peter so bad for not helping over "a bottle of milk" when that's not simply the case, that I wanted to add some defense

Agreed though, the discussions run its course, definitely time to move on

Yes, let's move on

The interesting thing is that in the synopsis it says that "Peter hasn't forgotten the promise, but it's a promise he just can't keep", so clearly it will be a big part of the plot in the sequel. I knew it wouldn't just be a throw-away thing Marc Webb slapped in the ending

 

[Joe_Kickass]

No one found out he had a gun except for Ben.

But, as people has said, we should move on; I'm already getting tired of posting about the same subject when I'm one of two or three that have different feelings about the entire scene.

He should at least consider him having a gun before telling a 17 year old kid to go tackle him or something.