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Another Person Shot While Looking for Help

She was there and she was drunk with a .218 alcohol level. She may not have even know why she was there herself.



You know who made the first mistake? She did! She got in her car and drove drunk and then crashed into a parked car. Instead of waiting for help, she fled the scene so she wouldn't be arrested. I actually feel more sympathy for the homeowner than I do this broad. He was home at his house minding his business and asleep, then her drunk-driving-crime-scene fleeing ass comes to his doorstep with her ******** and now he's caught in a snare that is all caused by HER!



If she was in a blind panic then it was because she was afraid of being arrested. Then this drunk girl shows up on this man's property, and in that state I wouldn't doubt she was acting a fool and refusing to leave. He had a right to be afraid of someone in that state (I don't care if it is a damn girl), and if it were me I would have kept my gun on that broad too because she was clearly a fool and likely was acting that way too. He had no idea what she was capable of. However, I would not have had my finger on the trigger, which was probably what he did.

The most irresponsible thing I believe he has done as a gun owner is put his finger on the trigger when he wasn't ready to shot and shot someone accidentally.



Again, the only irresponsible action that likely occurred is he had his finger on the trigger and pulled inadvertently. I hope the law takes it was accidental into consideration.



That's what you would have done and that's fine. But I am a homeowner myself. If I ask you to leave my property then you better go. I shouldn't need the police if you refuse to leave. I should have the right to remove you myself if need be, especially if you are refusing to leave and were not invited in the first place. Now we don't know if that was the case, but it could be. He may have opened the door to tell her ass to go away and she didn't. Who knows? The only real fact is he was on HIS property and she shouldn't have been. If she had stayed with her car and faced the damn music she would be alive today.



Plueeze...I don't think like you and likely you will never think like me. That is all good. However, I would not give up a tactical advantage of keeping a target that is potentially a threat in my sight to then wait and let him catch me unawares by breaking in while I wait for the cops. You would do that, and that's your choice. I hope you survive if something like happens, but I am not you and I WILL not do that.
Actually, the biggest mistake was that he opened the door. Regardless of her actions up to that point, if the door doesn't open, this goes down with different.

That's the part that truly baffles me. If he was so scared or felt so threatened, why did he open the door? Her behavior, while not exactly inexcusable, is understandable. It makes sense given her BAL.
 
The biggest made was by her. She was drinking and driving and crashed her car. Had she not be doing that in the first place, which she shouldn't have been since she was underage, then she would be alive today.

As it is...it was his damn door anyway and he could open it if he chooses. Again, had she not done any of the dumb **** she did then this would have never happened.

You don't get passes for being drunk off your ass. There are always consequences to pay. She paid them.
 
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Who else who has driven drunk ends up shot? That's pretty much a complete disconnect. I'm a little confused by your determination to skew the conversation away from the fact that the guy opened his door and shot someone in the face.
 
My issue is everyone is saying he had NO right to open his door. It's his door. Who in the hell knows why he opened it, but saying he SHOULDN'T have opened the door to his own damn house is asinine. It's his house. His door. His property. He can open the door if he wants. Who cares why he did? Maybe he should have be made a better choice, but saying he shouldn't have opened the door when in fact it is his door to open and close makes no sense to me.
 
The biggest made was by her. She was drinking and driving and crashed her car. Had she not be doing that in the first place, which she shouldn't have been since she was underage, then she would be alive today.

As it is...it was his damn door anyway and he could open it if he chooses. Again, had she not done any of the dumb **** she did then this would have never happened.

You don't get passes for being drunk off your ass. There are always consequences to pay. She paid them.

what a repugnant perspective.
 
My issue is everyone is saying he had NO right to open his door. It's his door. Who in the hell knows why he opened it, but saying he SHOULDN'T have opened the door to his own damn house is asinine. It's his house. His door. His property. He can open the door if he wants. Who cares why he did? Maybe he should have be made a better choice, but saying he shouldn't have opened the door when in fact it is his door to open and close makes no sense to me.
You're either missing or ignoring my point. Let me spell it out as clearly as I can. If you are in your home and someone is outside banging on your door at ANY hour, you cannot open the door to confront them and then turn around and claim you felt threatened or feared for your life. That's it. Nothing more. He can claim it was an accident, sure. But that he felt threatened or that his life was in danger, no. If that's how he, or anyone for that matter, felt, they would not open the door.
 
what a repugnant perspective.

Sorry you feel that way, but it's the truth to what happens to people who do dumb ****. People die or get killed over dumb ****. Happens all the time.


You're either missing or ignoring my point. Let me spell it out as clearly as I can. If you are in your home and someone is outside banging on your door at ANY hour, you cannot open the door to confront them and then turn around and claim you felt threatened or feared for your life. That's it. Nothing more. He can claim it was an accident, sure. But that he felt threatened or that his life was in danger, no. If that's how he, or anyone for that matter, felt, they would not open the door.

If you ask someone to leave your property and they don't at that point they are trespassing. Now, he had a gun with him because he thought the noises were someone breaking in. How and why he shot her is up for speculation. My point is in her state, she was in not fit mind to be rational and properly ask for help if indeed that is the reason she was truly there in the first place.

It's funny. I talked to my dude about this because I wanted his opinion on opening the door and all that. He said he would open the door because it's his house and he's a Marine...lol. The point is if he felt threatened on his property and decided to open the door to confront that threat or not...that is still his choice. It's his house and his door. How you think he should have handled the matter is not really relevant because it's not your house.
 
Not to derail the conversation but I'm curious to the ratio of the posts of everyone else vs you guys.
 
Sorry you feel that way, but it's the truth to what happens to people who do dumb ****. People die or get killed over dumb ****. Happens all the time.
This is true. But, to put full blame on her is negligent at best.

If you ask someone to leave your property and they don't at that point they are trespassing. Now, he had a gun with him because he thought the noises were someone breaking in. How and why he shot her is up for speculation. My point is in her state, she was in not fit mind to be rational and properly ask for help if indeed that is the reason she was truly there in the first place.

It's funny. I talked to my dude about this because I wanted his opinion on opening the door and all that. He said he would open the door because it's his house and he's a Marine...lol. The point is if he felt threatened on his property and decided to open the door to confront that threat or not...that is still his choice. It's his house and his door. How you think he should have handled the matter is not really relevant because it's not your house.
Fine. Than he can't claim he was scared for his life and that he shot her in self defense. He can, however, claim he felt threatened and chose to confront his perceived attacker. That, however, does not constitute self defense.
 
Kevan I don't know, but you can count them. I've just been here for the ride...lol

Here is some new information I just found. Apparently, she was banging on his screen door and he fired through the door. The interior door was open.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeowner-charged-deadly-mich-porch-shooting-20903137

This is true. But, to put full blame on her is negligent at best.

I told you guys before. I have a very low tolerance for other people's bs. It annoys me when someone who was minding their business gets caught up because of someone else's drama.


Fine. Than he can't claim he was scared for his life and that he shot her in self defense. He can, however, claim he felt threatened and chose to confront his perceived attacker. That, however, does not constitute self defense.

He thought someone was breaking in because she was banging on his screen door at 4am.

This is going to be a very interesting case.

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So we know it was a deliberate shot he did take and he had no conversation or confrontation. He saw a silhouette through the screen door and shot her because he thought she was an intruder breaking in. Simple as that. Again, not smart to disturb people you don't know outside their "normal-operating" hours.
 
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It looks bad for him since so far all evidence shows that she was just knocking and not attempting to force her way through the screen door. It'll be tough proving she was trying to gain entry with how easy it is to get through a screen door.
 
Kevan I don't know, but you can count them. I've just been here for the ride...lol

Here is some new information I just found. Apparently, she was banging on his screen door and he fired through the door. The interior door was open.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeowner-charged-deadly-mich-porch-shooting-20903137



I told you guys before. I have a very low tolerance for other people's bs. It annoys me when someone who was minding their business gets caught up because of someone else's drama.




He thought someone was breaking in because she was banging on his screen door at 4am.

This is going to be a very interesting case.

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So we know it was a deliberate shot he did take and he had no conversation or confrontation. He saw a silhouette through the screen door and shot her because he thought she was an intruder breaking in. Simple as that. Again, not smart to disturb people you don't know outside their "normal-operating" hours.
From the article you linked.
Prosecutors say evidence shows McBride knocked on a locked screen door and did not try to force her way in. The interior front door was open, and Wafer fired through "the closed and locked screen door," said prosecutor Kym Worthy, who declined to discuss details about the investigation.

And, it's pretty sad we now live in a society where seeking help from your fellow man is considered a life threateningly stupid decision.
 
Kevan I don't know, but you can count them. I've just been here for the ride...lol

Here is some new information I just found. Apparently, she was banging on his screen door and he fired through the door. The interior door was open.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeowner-charged-deadly-mich-porch-shooting-20903137



I told you guys before. I have a very low tolerance for other people's bs. It annoys me when someone who was minding their business gets caught up because of someone else's drama.




He thought someone was breaking in because she was banging on his screen door at 4am.

This is going to be a very interesting case.

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So we know it was a deliberate shot he did take and he had no conversation or confrontation. He saw a silhouette through the screen door and shot her because he thought she was an intruder breaking in. Simple as that. Again, not smart to disturb people you don't know outside their "normal-operating" hours.
So we now know he's a liar.
 
And, it's pretty sad we now live in a society where seeking help from your fellow man is considered a life threateningly stupid decision.

At 4am in the morning it is a life threatening stupid decision because the person you are asking help from is sleep and it's outside their normal operation hours. The racket from the screen door woke him and made him think someone was breaking in. Then he got a gun and went to the door and saw someone there and shot her under the impression she was breaking in.

Again, you don't wake people at the hour that you don't know. I know that may seem like a cruel cold world, but it is what it is. Also, let's not forget why she ended up there in the first place too.
 
At 4am in the morning it is a life threatening stupid decision because I'm asleep and it's outside my normal operation hours. The racket from the screen door woke me and made me think someone was breaking in. Then I got a gun and went to the door and saw someone there and shot her under the impression she was breaking in.

Again, you don't wake me at that hour. I know that may seem like a cruel cold world, but it is what it is. Also, let's not forget why she ended up there in the first place too.
Fixed your post for you.

He still had to open the interior door first. The temperature was between 35 & 45 and, I don't know anyone who leaves their front door open to just a screen when it's that cold. Come to think of it, I don't know anyone who leaves their door like that overnight at all. He wanted to confront the person at his door. I'd wager he decided to shoot them before he ever got to the door. His story keeps changing too much.
 
The biggest made was by her. She was drinking and driving and crashed her car. Had she not be doing that in the first place, which she shouldn't have been since she was underage, then she would be alive today.

As it is...it was his damn door anyway and he could open it if he chooses. Again, had she not done any of the dumb **** she did then this would have never happened.

You don't get passes for being drunk off your ass. There are always consequences to pay. She paid them.
underage drinking does not justify being shot in the face.

yes, he can open his door, but that does not excuse him of the responsibility of what happened once he does open the door.

My issue is everyone is saying he had NO right to open his door. It's his door. Who in the hell knows why he opened it, but saying he SHOULDN'T have opened the door to his own damn house is asinine. It's his house. His door. His property. He can open the door if he wants. Who cares why he did? Maybe he should have be made a better choice, but saying he shouldn't have opened the door when in fact it is his door to open and close makes no sense to me.

it would seem renisha mcbride's family cares why he opened the door. because when he opened that door, he shot their daughter in the face.

Sorry you feel that way, but it's the truth to what happens to people who do dumb ****. People die or get killed over dumb ****. Happens all the time.

just because it does happen, doesnt excuse it from happening. we should be disgusted when it happens. and again, drinking and driving does not justify being shot in the face.

If you ask someone to leave your property and they don't at that point they are trespassing. Now, he had a gun with him because he thought the noises were someone breaking in. How and why he shot her is up for speculation. My point is in her state, she was in not fit mind to be rational and properly ask for help if indeed that is the reason she was truly there in the first place.

you are speculating he asked her to leave, we dont know what conversation transpired between them. and you are speculating that her disorientation was to the extent that she wasnt properly capable of asking for help.

It's funny. I talked to my dude about this because I wanted his opinion on opening the door and all that. He said he would open the door because it's his house and he's a Marine...lol. The point is if he felt threatened on his property and decided to open the door to confront that threat or not...that is still his choice. It's his house and his door. How you think he should have handled the matter is not really relevant because it's not your house.

if that is how he chooses to handle the situation then he will be held responsible for that decision as the law sees fit.
 
Fixed your post for you.

Why was there a necessity to do that in the first? smh....ridiculous.

He still had to open the interior door first. The temperature was between 35 & 45 and, I don't know anyone who leaves their front door open to just a screen when it's that cold. Come to think of it, I don't know anyone who leaves their door like that overnight at all. He wanted to confront the person at his door. I'd wager he decided to shoot them before he ever got to the door. His story keeps changing too much.

Did you even read the article. It said his INTERIOR door was already opened. She was banging on the screen door and when he came to the door he shot through the screen door. Who cares if you don't know anyone who leaves their screen door open. That's not even relevant because you probably don't even own a house of your own.

You know one point I do agree with is I think he did decide to shoot the intruder, which was why when he saw her he blasted right away.
 
underage drinking does not justify being shot in the face.

No it does not, but everyone must be held accountable for their actions. Even if their actions contributed to them dying. It does not absolve them from the dumb **** they did to put themselves in that situation in the first place.

yes, he can open his door, but that does not excuse him of the responsibility of what happened once he does open the door.

He said his interior door was already open. He never opened the door. He shot her through the screen door because she was banging on it. He thought she was trying to intrude and he shot her.

it would seem renisha mcbride's family cares why he opened the door. because when he opened that door, he shot their daughter in the face.

Yet again, he didn't open the door. He shot her through the screen door because she was banging on it.

you are speculating he asked her to leave, we dont know what conversation transpired between them. and you are speculating that her disorientation was to the extent that she wasnt properly capable of asking for help.

I was speculating because we were all speculating. According to that recent article, he never had a confrontation with her. He shot her when he came upon her because he thought she was intruding into this house. It's as simple as that.

if that is how he chooses to handle the situation then he will be held responsible for that decision as the law sees fit.

He's a gunny with guns that aren't just made for shooting. I think he could handle himself with or without a gun, but that's just me.
 
Why was there a necessity to do that in the first? smh....ridiculous.
Because it shows how much your personal experience in influencing your views on this.
Did you even read the article. It said his INTERIOR door was already opened. She was banging on the screen door and when he came to the door he shot through the screen door. Who cares if you don't know anyone who leaves their screen door open. That's not even relevant because you probably don't even own a house of your own.
No, I don't own a house but, I grew up in one. Don't you find it a bit odd that someone so concerned about break-ins would leave their front door standing wide open with nothing but a screen door to stop an intruder? Especially on a cold night where said screen door would make it really cold in the house.
You know one point I do agree with is I think he did decide to shoot the intruder, which was why when he saw her he blasted right away.
FINALLY!!!!!
 
Because it shows how much your personal experience in influencing your views on this.

How do you know this man didn't experience something like either. He lives in Michigan, which has some of the highest crime rates in the country. And like I said, the notion of normal operating hours is not some nebulous concept. He was asleep and not expecting company. It was outside of his normal operating hours, obviously, because he was asleep.

No, I don't own a house but, I grew up in one. Don't you find it a bit odd that someone so concerned about break-ins would leave their front door standing wide open with nothing but a screen door to stop an intruder? Especially on a cold night where said screen door would make it really cold in the house.

Haha...I am concerned about break-ins and I have also left my interior door open too. It's not like the screen door doesn't have a lock on it. Sometimes you just forget. Or maybe he wanted the fresh air. Heck! Maybe the fact the interior door was open was what worried him to begin with because he had forgotten to close it. Again, it's his friggin house. If he want's to sleep with all his damn windows open he absolutely can. Saying well, if he was really worried then he wouldn't have done that. Again, it's his house.

FINALLY!!!!!

It seems pretty obvious to me from the most recent report. She banged on his door at inappropriate hour and he thought she was trying to intrude. He asked no questions because he already had his answer. She was an intruder and he was going to shoot the intruder. Again, no ill or malice here. Just a simple case of someone defending themselves against someone they thought was a threat.
 
I did not think this thread would reach 14 pages of this, funny how a thread can take off
 
No it does not, but everyone must be held accountable for their actions. Even if their actions contributed to them dying. It does not absolve them from the dumb **** they did to put themselves in that situation in the first place.

i have no problem with renisha being held accountable for her actions. unfortunately that will not happen because she was shot in the face.

He said his interior door was already open. He never opened the door. He shot her through the screen door because she was banging on it. He thought she was trying to intrude and he shot her.

he did not say the door was already open. investigators said it was open when he shot her. i find it hard to believe that a man who feels the need to own a gun for protection would leave his door open at night, especially when its only 30-some degrees outside. investigators also noticed that the locked screen door showed no attempts of forced entry.

I was speculating because we were all speculating. According to that recent article, he never had a confrontation with her. He shot her when he came upon her because he thought she was intruding into this house. It's as simple as that.

yer making irresponsible speculations in order to justify the mans actions. and just because the man THOUGHT she was breaking in, does not mean she was breaking in. and if she was not breaking into his house or posing a threat to his life, then his actions were unjustified.


He's a gunny with guns that aren't just made for shooting. I think he could handle himself with or without a gun, but that's just me.

im not doubting his ability to handle himself. im saying, if the choices he makes to handle the situation arent compliant with the law, then he will be held accountable for those choices.
 
It seems pretty obvious to me from the most recent report. She banged on his door at inappropriate hour and he thought she was trying to intrude. He asked no questions because he already had his answer. She was an intruder and he was going to shoot the intruder. Again, no ill or malice here. Just a simple case of someone defending themselves against someone they thought was a threat.

:huh: :doh:

Accidents happen all the time, maybe should accept that possibility is simple a part of life and not assume they should be shooting at any suspicious noise no matter the hour? If you hear an intruder, call the cops first then cover the entrance where the sounds are coming from. Don't open the door and blindly shoot at anybody in the vicinity. What you're doing is defending his right to be afraid - we're not arguing that, we're discussing the merits of his actions. And worst case scenario given that she was just a drunk chick in need of help should've been he cowers in fear while he waits for the cops to arrive and resolve the 'imminent threat' outside his once closed home. Not shooting people in the face willy nilly on the offchance they're trying to break in (but honestly, who the hell tries to break into a house by banging loudly and alerting you to their presence? Maybe he thought it was a zombie invasion in his deliriously exhausted state, lol?)
 
Haha...I am concerned about break-ins and I have also left my interior door open too. It's not like the screen door doesn't have a lock on it. Sometimes you just forget. Or maybe he wanted the fresh air. Heck! Maybe the fact the interior door was open was what worried him to begin with because he had forgotten to close it. Again, it's his friggin house. If he want's to sleep with all his damn windows open he absolutely can. Saying well, if he was really worried then he wouldn't have done that. Again, it's his house.
We've already esablished you live in inside a small fortress that would strongly deter anyone from even reaching the front door. so, that doesn't play. No one is saying he can't leave doors open. What I'm saying is that given the overnight temperature it would be highly unlikely for him to do so. Especially if he's the kind of person who does not live inside a small fortress but, is still fearful of break-ins.
 
i have no problem with renisha being held accountable for her actions. unfortunately that will not happen because she was shot in the face.

Had she not ran from that accountability then she would be alive.

he did not say the door was already open. investigators said it was open when he shot her. i find it hard to believe that a man who feels the need to own a gun for protection would leave his door open at night, especially when its only 30-some degrees outside. investigators also noticed that the locked screen door showed no attempts of forced entry.

It happens. I myself have done it. Sometimes you forget it is open.

yer making irresponsible speculations in order to justify the mans actions. and just because the man THOUGHT she was breaking in, does not mean she was breaking in. and if she was not breaking into his house or posing a threat to his life, then his actions were unjustified.

No less irresponsible then yours saying this girl who had already broken the law did nothing to make him think she was intruding. You know how drunks can act, so you still don't want to even thinks that possible. C'mon... Plus the fact he THOUGHT she was breaking in is all that matters because that's what he thought. He didn't think she was a girl scout there to sell cookies and shot her. He thought it was an intruder and at that time of night that is not an unreasonable belief.


im not doubting his ability to handle himself. im saying, if the choices he makes to handle the situation arent compliant with the law, then he will be held accountable for those choices.

He never runs from accountability.
 

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