Another Reason why Activision Sucks

Slash is alive, and able to say "yes, I don't care if you have my playing these other songs." Kurt is dead, and the guy killed himself partly over being so famous that he didn't feel like a real person anymore. So, no, I don't think he would be fine with it if her were alive today.

Well, Kurt should've picked a different career path than trying to be a rock star if he didn't want to get famous. Why'd he sign a recording contract or agree to go on tour if he didn't want to get famous? Obviously he couldn't handle fame, but his actions were to make him famous, truthfully I think he made himself much, more famous by killing himself than if he lived. The guy is mytholigized because he didn't allow himself to become washed up, he took himself out of the game early cementing his place in history.

Well to be fair, Cobain doesn't bop around to "Hollaback Girl" either.

He's more of a Stan Bushes "The Touch" type of singer. At least that's what I have him sing in mine....with Johnny Cash on Guitar. Now if only I could get Hendrix on that action.

Wait they've got Johnny Cash in the game too!?!? Damn those evil bastards! What great artists will they not piss all over!
 
Well, Kurt should've picked a different career path than trying to be a rock star if he didn't want to get famous. Why'd he sign a recording contract or agree to go on tour if he didn't want to get famous? Obviously he couldn't handle fame, but his actions were to make him famous, truthfully I think he made himself much, more famous by killing himself than if he lived. The guy is mytholigized because he didn't allow himself to become washed up, he took himself out of the game early cementing his place in history.

Yea I have little sympathy for Cobain. Or anyone who commits suicide really. Unless it's euphonazia or something.

I mean, they don't have to live with their decision...the people they leave behind do. It's pretty selfish. And all because he didn't want to be famous? Sorry pal, that goes with the territory.
 
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Cobain didnt kill himself because he didnt want to be famous. Not sure where thats coming from? He offed himself because he couldnt live up to what people wanted from him musically and couldnt perform the way people wanted him to, not to mention he had an out of control drug addiciton anf thought he would ruin his daughter's life.

Here's the text of his suicide note:

To Boddah
Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand.
All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guity beyond words about these things.
For example when we're back stage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowds begins., it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who seemed to love, relish in the the love and adoration from the crowd which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is, I can't fool you, any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch-in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it (and I do,God, believe me I do, but it's not enough). I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. It must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasms I once had as a child.
On our last 3 tours, I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally, and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too ****ing sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know!
I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what i used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become.
I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess.
Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away.
Peace, love, empathy.
Kurt Cobain
Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your alter.
Please keep going Courtney, for Frances.
For her life, which will be so much happier without me.

I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!
 
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Wow. Well I still don't have much sympathy for him. But I respect him a little more I guess.
 
Well, Kurt should've picked a different career path than trying to be a rock star if he didn't want to get famous. Why'd he sign a recording contract or agree to go on tour if he didn't want to get famous? Obviously he couldn't handle fame, but his actions were to make him famous, truthfully I think he made himself much, more famous by killing himself than if he lived. The guy is mytholigized because he didn't allow himself to become washed up, he took himself out of the game early cementing his place in history.

I'm sorry, but you're showing very well that you don't know what you're talking about. First of all, not everyone becomes an artist solely to become famous, they are not mutually exclusive to one another. Secondly, though it is true that in Cobain's case he did want to be famous, he soon realized, like I'm sure many artists do, that fame is not what the illusion is. Some people get wrapped up in it, others see through it.

As Hulk pointed out, Cobain didn't kill him because he became famous anyway. He's not 'mythologized', either. Whether you like them or not, Nirvana was a pretty damn big deal in the music industry well before Cobain commited suicide. Though they, unfortunately, spawned a lot of garbage they had a huge impact.

All of that, of course, is totally beside the point anyway
 
Wow. Well I still don't have much sympathy for him. But I respect him a little more I guess.

You respect him after reading that letter?!?! He sounds like such a whiney b*tch in that letter, he thought his daughter would be better off without her father?!?! So he didn't like performing? Fine, quit the band. Activision, bravo for you, getting Kurt's likeness and making his digital version sing songs the real person wouldn't like.
 
Hmm well not respect, but kinda understand where he is coming from. Apart from the actual committing suicide part.

Committing suicide is selfish IMO, especially in his case. As I said before, he doesn't have to live with his decision...the loved ones, family, friends he left behind DO have to live with his decision, and that is out of order.
 
:hehe: Exactly. If it was a retirement note? Fine, I'd respect what he has to say. But suicide? :nono:
 
Well, the elephant in the room that's not acknowledged, was the guy had been hoped up on drugs since he was like 16 or something.
 
Drugs and rationality are an uncommon pair, I must admit. But I can't say I have much sympathy for him either. There's something about parents abandoning their children that I really can't stomach, no matter what the circumstances are.
 
I tend to agree, I mean I think that no one has a legit reason to kill themselves unless they are in constant physical agony or something. I just try to defend the guy as an artist and his views and opinions of how they are treated in the industry, and the music he made.

I mean I'm not even a huge Cobain/Nirvana fan, but I respect him as a musician. Seems like people are so quick to discard that because they didn't care for the person or something he did.
 
I enjoy Nirvana's music. I generally don't really care about what kind of people musicians are, though. The end result of their labor is all I really need from them.
 
Yea I like Nirvana too. And I agree Corp I don't really care about any celebrities private life, so long as it doesn't effect their work.
 
Well, the elephant in the room that's not acknowledged, was the guy had been hoped up on drugs since he was like 16 or something.

Not really any different than any other rock star and probably every one of them lost the joy from performing at one point. Dude could have gone to rehab, might have helped him rediscover why he got into the industry, like it has for many others. Drug use is a pretty weak excuse.
 
Drug use is never really a weak excuse, it screws people up bad. Some rock stars and celebrities pull through it, but they don't possess a gene that others don't that helps them do so. They can still fall to it like anyone of us. I don't think it's a total excusing property for offing himself, but you can't totally discount it since he had so much drugs in such a short time. Of course, they put themselves in that situation from the beginning, but we are all fools; it's just some of us are fools at the wrong time and place
 
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My boyfriend's father killed himself the same way Cobain did. It was horrific, and caused so much ****ing pain for all of our friends and family.. Damned right it's a selfish thing to do..
 
Knowing what I know of both artists, I would think John Lennon would have much more of a problem seeing his likeness and music in a computer game than would Kurt Cobain. Lennon was much more outspoken about things like laissez faire capitalism, imperialism, etc. He was more of an activist and the voice of dissent (which more than likely lead to him getting shot).

I totally disagree with this. Lennon loved doing the Beatles movies, he loved Yellow Submarine, which used his likeness, he gave his ok to the 60's Beatles cartoon which used his likeness. There's a long history of the Beatles doing things outside of music that involved their likeness. This is no different than that except it's interactive.

I think this whole genre of music games is disrespectful to gaming in general....playing video games used to get people ridiculed and beat up, call me a purist but video games should be played with a controller or joystick....not a cheap ass plastic guitar and cheap ass color coded plastic drums

You have an incredibly shallow idea of what gaming is. The guitar and drums are still controllers, just different shaped ones. This is a really stupid argument on your behalf.
 
You have an incredibly shallow idea of what gaming is. The guitar and drums are still controllers, just different shaped ones. This is a really stupid argument on your behalf.

Yeah, controllers don't all have to be shaped like joysticks or gamepads in order to be legitimate; players have been using sheering wheel controller in racing games, gun-shaped controller in shooting games, and other periperials in the history of video games in order to simulate the gaming experience as closely to the real experience as possible. Using guitar and drum controllers in games like RB and GH is no different, and certainly don't deserve any ridicule either.
 
Yeah, controllers don't all have to be shaped like joysticks or gamepads in order to be legitimate; players have been using sheering wheel controller in racing games, gun-shaped controller in shooting games, and other periperials in the history of video games in order to simulate the gaming experience as closely to the real experience as possible. Using guitar and drum controllers in games like RB and GH is no different, and certainly don't deserve any ridicule either.

why not?? Ive seen arcade versions of Samba De Amigo and you want silly, there it is....nothing is above ridicule
 
I totally disagree with this. Lennon loved doing the Beatles movies, he loved Yellow Submarine, which used his likeness, he gave his ok to the 60's Beatles cartoon which used his likeness. There's a long history of the Beatles doing things outside of music that involved their likeness. This is no different than that except it's interactive.

You're citing things from the early Beatles days. Lennon in 1961 is no where near the person he was in the late 70's/early 80's before he was murdered.
 
You're citing things from the early Beatles days. Lennon in 1961 is no where near the person he was in the late 70's/early 80's before he was murdered.

Yes, as right before he was murdered he had actually chilled the f**k out quite a bit from his Beatle days, where by all accounts he was a hellion. And honestly, if Yoko is ok with it, and considers it art, there's a very good chance John would have too.
 

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