Anti-immigrant stance fueling KKK rebirth

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070209/ts_csm/akkk

Better watch it...you say you're against immigrants, they may lump you in.

 

[Kritish]

There's a big difference between immigrants and illegals. It's idiots that run around yelling how much they hate "beaners" that causes people like Honey Vibe to freak out.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

yeah, again.
Illegal Immigration is like 60% hispanic.
so, yeah.....
no racial issues involved.

 

[Kritish]

yeah, again.
Illegal Immigration is like 60% hispanic.
so, yeah.....
no racial issues involved.

That's due to the fact that Mexico is right below us and they're still a developing nation. If Canada was in that condition we'd be fighting off the Canadians. I won't lie, some people are against it due to racial reasons, but myself and many aren't that way about it.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I know.
but it seems that the majority of people are.
I can't count the times I've heard "all the illegal Immigration from Mexico"
and then gone to the mall and some guy with a scottish accent taking my order.
there's a bunch of Irish and Scottish illegal immigrants and nobody seems to give a crap.

Meh, I used to care, now I realize that it doesn't matter.

 

[mwm1331]

huh, so my mexican friends who came here legally and are pissed that others who haven't waited for thier visa and "cut the line" are anti-hispanic?
Good to know.

 

[Kritish]

I know.
but it seems that the majority of people are.
I can't count the times I've heard "all the illegal Immigration from Mexico"
and then gone to the mall and some guy with a scottish accent taking my order.
there's a bunch of Irish and Scottish illegal immigrants and nobody seems to give a crap.

Meh, I used to care, now I realize that it doesn't matter.

They get ignored because they speak English, the Mexicans that can speak English well usually get in here the legal way.

 

[X-Chick]

I personally don't know of any Irish or Scottish illegal immigrants. 90% of those I know are Mexican and while I understand why they are here and don't blame them at all for doing it, it is a problem.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

huh, so my mexican friends who came here legally and are pissed that others who haven't waited for thier visa and "cut the line" are anti-hispanic?
Good to know.

LOL Lies.
Illegal immigrants don't "cut in line" because they don't get immigrant status or benefits.

 

[mwm1331]

LOL Lies.
Illegal immigrants don't "cut in line" because they don't get immigrant status or benefits.

Huh, so living and working in the US, and sending your kids to US instead of mexican schools isn't a benefit? Huh then are so many in such a hurry to get here?

 

[Majik1387]

Is it bad to wish for the Ku Klux Klan and supporters to die?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

no, it's not a benefit.
and they are in a hurry to get "here" because they want money.
but I'm seriously not going to waste my time trying to explain something so damned obvious.

 

[mwm1331]

no, it's not a benefit.
and they are in a hurry to get "here" because they want money.
but I'm seriously not going to waste my time trying to explain something so damned obvious.

Wow managed to contradict yourself in one line there sparkle, you're living up to your avatar.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

really?
explain how.
I seriously want to see it.
In fact I DARE YOU.

 

[mwm1331]

really?
explain how.
I seriously want to see it.
In fact I DARE YOU.

ohh all manly and agressive.
What if I dont take the dare? You gonna track me down with your fat movie check?
You claim they get no "benefit" for comming here illegally, and then say they come here for the money, money they couldn't earn while in mexico, sounds like a benefit to me. Not to mention free emrgency room care, free education for thier kids, the abillity to learn skills they couldn't in mexico etc. etc. All of which are benefits they recieve sooner than those who actually apply for a visa, prove thier elleigibillity, wait for approval and then come here legally. Thus the cutting in line comment. I know a number of mexicans whos families imigrated here legally, who now have good middle class job, and live in nice neighborhoods, one of thier major complaints is that those who come here illegally are "cutting the line" they aren't doing things the way they did, aren't doing it right, and don't support the so called "right" to cross the border illegally. Many of these people have been waiting years to bring thier own family members here legally and don't appreciate the idea of others who don't have the patients or the requirements to come here legally simply crossing the border. Many of these people love this country and belive that living here is worth waiting for.
But hey I'm sure you know far more about how they feel than they do, I mean they have only actually lived thier life, considered thier own opinions, and come to thier own conclusions. Whereas you, your Mr Sparkle and now that you can tell them thier opinons, Im sure they will be happy to know just what they really think eh?

 

[SLVRSR4]

I'm hispanic and i am ok with immigration if people speak english. I don't like the other languages. So many people from Mexico coming to the U.S have to stop and fix their country! Instead of costing me more money

 

[Mr Sparkle]

ohh all manly and agressive.
What if I dont take the dare? You gonna track me down with your fat movie check?

HA! you mistake derision for agression. good on ya
the rest of it made no sense, but I just read your sig and this is going to be like playing a game of chess with my dog, but I'll indulge you.

You claim they get no "benefit" for comming here illegally, and then say they come here for the money, money they couldn't earn while in mexico, sounds like a benefit to me. Not to mention free emrgency room care, free education for thier kids, the abillity to learn skills they couldn't in mexico etc. etc.

ahahaha! so in your mind receiving less than minimum wage for working more hours than what the law allows is a benefit? no, legal Immigrants receive full wages and worker's rights.
that's a benefit. the other stuff.
that's exploitation get it right d00d it's an important difference.
free education for their kids, they get in Mexico, and not for nothing man, but seriously, there's Mcdonalds and Construction sites Landscaping and a ton of stuff like that In Mexico, unless they teach them like Level 5 fire spells your "ability to learn skills"comment is idiotic.
Like I said, it's like watching a dog try to play chess.
HA! that's is beyond precious.
so, since they DON'T get the same benefits as legal immigranst this renders the next portion of your inane argument useless.

All of which are benefits they recieve sooner than those who actually apply for a visa, prove thier elleigibillity, wait for approval and then come here legally. Thus the cutting in line comment. I know a number of mexicans whos families imigrated here legally, who now have good middle class job, and live in nice neighborhoods, one of thier major complaints is that those who come here illegally are "cutting the line" they aren't doing things the way they did, aren't doing it right, and don't support the so called "right" to cross the border illegally. Many of these people have been waiting years to bring thier own family members here legally and don't appreciate the idea of others who don't have the patients or the requirements to come here legally simply crossing the border. Many of these people love this country and belive that living here is worth waiting for.

plus, that's all made up.
Mexican people that go to the US love their country and like the US, it's simple as that, no different than a US citizen that goes to live abroad, they like the country they live in but LOVE the US.
see, little things like this and the fact that I know much more about this that you convince me you're making this up, like completely.
sorry.
forgot to mention, I live three blocks from the US and have lived in a border town ( the busiest border crossing in the world) all my life, forgive me if I fancy myself well versed in this.
LMAO "cutting in line" that's the "ranch rescue" and "american border patrol"motto not the Mexican Immigrants...sorry.

But hey I'm sure you know far more about how they feel than they do, I mean they have only actually lived thier life, considered thier own opinions, and come to thier own conclusions. Whereas you, your Mr Sparkle and now that you can tell them thier opinons, Im sure they will be happy to know just what they really think eh?

HA! aren't you the one telling me their opinions?t:t:t:t:
oh lord, that is just hilarious.
this was beyond comedic there mwm1331, seriously keep up the good work I can see that your posts will bring me much mirth in the future.

rock on dude

 

[mwm1331]

HA! you mistake derision for agression. good on ya
the rest of it made no sense, but I just read your sig and this is going to be like playing a game of chess with my dog, but I'll indulge you.

ahahaha! so in your mind receiving less than minimum wage for working more hours than what the law allows is a benefit? no, legal Immigrants receive full wages and worker's rights.
that's a benefit. the other stuff.
that's exploitation get it right d00d it's an important difference.

I would suspect that those who have paid coyotes to smuggle them here, risking life and limb, would disagree. But again Im not Mr Sparkle.

free education for their kids, they get in Mexico, and not for nothing man, but seriously, there's Mcdonalds and Construction sites Landscaping and a ton of stuff like that In Mexico, unless they teach them like Level 5 fire spells your "ability to learn skills"comment is idiotic.

And yet litterally millions come here to work at Mcdonalds, and stand in front of home depot, if it isn't a benefit why would they do so? The fact is many who have come her illegally have learned skills which they then used to advance themselves, its why immigrants come here from mexico and other countries instead of the other way around.

Like I said, it's like watching a dog try to play chess.

Hmm no logical point, personal attacks, contradictory statements, and idiocy. Yep, you're boring.

HA! that's is beyond precious.
so, since they DON'T get the same benefits as legal immigranst this renders the next portion of your inane argument useless.

Uhuh.

plus, that's all made up.
Mexican people that go to the US love their country and like the US, it's simple as that, no different than a US citizen that goes to live abroad, they like the country they live in but LOVE the US.
see, little things like this and the fact that I know much more about this that you convince me you're making this up, like completely.
sorry.

The arrogance to speak for all of a given number of people, without any actual rational or logical basis for a given argument besides you saying it, or that "you know more" Yep the pattern fits.

forgot to mention, I live three blocks from the US and have lived in a border town ( the busiest border crossing in the world) all my life, forgive me if I fancy myself well versed in this.

I always forgive Ignorance, I just don't waste my time listening to it for long.

LMAO "cutting in line" that's the "ranch rescue" and "american border patrol"motto not the Mexican Immigrants...sorry.

Ok, Sparkle. You say so it must be so.

HA! aren't you the one telling me their opinions?t:t:t:t:
oh lord, that is just hilarious.
this was beyond comedic there mwm1331, seriously keep up the good work I can see that your posts will bring me much mirth in the future.

rock on dude

I am expressing the opinions of people I know. You are expressing the opinions of people you don't.
You have failed to make any rational argument, have expressed the arrogance to speak for people you have never met, assumed your (supposed) experience entitles you to speak for all people of a given background, have engaged in personal attacks rather than attempted to argue my position, attempted to appeal to your (claimed) expertise, and in general shown yourself to be the posterchild for the sterotypical internet expert. In other words you're a waste of my time.
Ignored.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

good comeback *high five*

I would suspect that those who have paid coyotes to smuggle tyhem here, risking life and limb, would disagree. But again Im not Mr Sparkle.

would disagree with what?
there's nothing to disagree, there's more money to be made sure.
but that wasn't the point, the point was wether or not it was a benefit.
and I proved to you it was not.
if they made fair wages, it would, but it isn't.
I'm sorry I can't put on a puppet show over the intra-webs to explain futher.

And yet litterally million come here to work at Mcdonalds, and stand in fron tof home depot, if it isn't a benefit why would they do so?

no, see above.
it's exploitation plain and simple.

Hmm no logical point, personal attacks, contradictory statements, and idiocy. Yep, you're boring.

you're funny LMAO specially since you answered a post about benefits with

Uhuh.

again, good comeback *high five*

The arrogance to speak for all of a given number of people, wihtout any actual rational or logical basis for a given argument besides you saying it. Yep the pattern fits.

yeah, LMAO see? no facts no answers just transparent little runs into nothingness that merely underscore your ignorance on the subject, good job on the contrived tone of condescension though.
but it's not working, sorry

I always forgive Ignorance, I just don't waste my time listening to it for long.

it's funny how all your answers are completely nonsensical ramblings and adress absolutely no part of the post you're quoting as if to answer it.
I don't know if it's practiced of if you're really that dumb.

I am expressing the opinions of people I know. You are expressing the opinions of people you don't.
You have failed tyo make any rational argument, have expressed the arrogance to speak for people you have never met, assumed your experience entitles you to speak for all people of a given background, have engaged in personal attacks rather than attempted to argue my position, attempted to appeal to your expertise, and in general shown yourself to be the posterchiled for the sterotypical internet expert. In other words you're a waste of my time.
Ignored.

why do you think that I don't know these people? you're basing your entire response on this and it's wrong.
I know more on people on both sides of the issue than you, believe me when I tell you that.
and yet you speak of rational arguments? when you have grasped at what you thought was a thread and despite the fact that there was nothing there you continue like a blind man down a dead end road?
it's pathetic man, stop it.

I like how , in the end, the only thing you can do is Ignore me.
because you know that there's no way that you can hopew to win this.
at least it's nice to see you recognize how out of your league you are.

it has been fun there dood.
well, ,more fun for me, since I didn't have to ignore you.
BTW the way the whole "ignored" thing?
HI-larious
I mean, if it was 1993 you could've said "talk to the hand"t:

 

[Tangled Web]

Did someone say illegals are coming here to benefit and get money? Are you serious? The ones getting hurt most by illegal immigration isn't the American people. It's the illegal immigrants themselves.
When they come here illegally they get exploited and there is nothing they can do about it. They can't join unions or sue. Immigrating legally is just better for everyone. Except the people who exploit others, then they're screwed.

 

[mwm1331]

Did someone say illegals are coming here to benefit and get money? Are you serious? The ones getting hurt most by illegal immigration isn't the American people. It's the illegal immigrants themselves.
When they come here illegally they get exploited and there is nothing they can do about it. They can't join unions or sue. Immigrating legally is just better for everyone. Except the people who exploit others, then they're screwed.

So we have between 12 and 30 million people in this country illegally because they want to get hurt?
Seriously, think about, there is a motivation for coming here. Even if they are being "exploited" by our standards it must still be better than where they are from or they wouldn't come here, and even if they were mislead into coming here, they wouldn't stay.
Its like when people complain about workers in a third world country getting "exploited" by multinationals that pay them 10 dollars a week (hypothetical figure) without realising the average weekly wage in that country is 5 dollars a week.
Try living outside this country for a while and then you'll see why so many are willing to come here to be "exploited"
Africa, Asia, The Middle East, South America, Eastern Europe, and many other areas of the world are filled with people who would literally kill to be poor in this country. I know, I've lived and worked in many of these places. I have lived in countries where 100 dolalrs a month is enough to live well. Not lavishly, and not in luxury, but well. If the only thing illegal immigrants had to look forward to was exploitation, there wouldn't be a debate about the subject.
Seriously think, everyone does wht they do for reasons that are rational to them. If being in this country illegally didn't offer people a benefit, they wouldn't do what they do, and endure what they endure, to get here illegally.

 

[Tangled Web]

So we have between 12 and 30 million people in this country illegally because they want to get hurt?
Seriously, think about, there is a motivation for coming here. Even if they are being "exploited" by our standards it must still be better than where they are from or they wouldn't come here, and even if they were mislead into coming here, they wouldn't stay.
Its like when people complain about workers in a third world country getting "exploited" by multinationals that pay them 10 dollars a week (hypothetical figure) without realising the average weekly wage in that country is 5 dollars a week.
Try living outside this country for a while and then you'll see why so many are willing to come here to be "exploited"
Africa, Asia, The Middle East, South America, Eastern Europe, and many other areas of the world are filled with people who would literally kill to be poor in this country. I know, I've lived and worked in many of these places. I have lived in countries where 100 dolalrs a month is enough to live well. Not lavishly, and not in luxury, but well. If the only thing illegal immigrants had to look forward to was exploitation, there wouldn't be a debate about the subject.
Seriously think, everyone does wht they do for reasons that are rational to them. If being in this country illegally didn't offer people a benefit, they wouldn't do what they do, and endure what they endure, to get here illegally.

Sure it's better than what they ran from. I'm just saying that they are hurting themselves by coming here illegally.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

ah, mwm1331...preschool logic at work.

"tomatoes are red, daddy's car is red, therefore daddy's car is made of tomatoes"

 

[mwm1331]

Sure it's better than what they ran from. I'm just saying that they are hurting themselves by coming here illegally.

To some extent yes, but they still come here illegally because to thier mind, the chance to get here quickly, and join the workforce quickly, is better than waiting to come here legally. Its a simple Cost/benefit analysis. To some, its worth it to wait, and get the work/residence visa. To others the chance to get here quickly, save money, buy forged papers, and work here illegally untill they can is perceived as a better choice. Even a "migrant farm worker" who picks oranges in cali for wages you or I wouldn't even get out of bed for is making a better living than he could in his home country, he has the abillity to send money home, to save up for papers, to live in the US, to attempt to find a way to make himself legal, or to create the illusion that he is. Getting forged papers isn't hard, nor is getting a DL, many jobs pay little less than prevailing wages despite not being very strict aboutt asking for SS and other documentation.
The simple fact is most of these poeple are rational intelligent people (unlike the vast bulk of online posters it would seem) who have made a choice to come here illegally, becasue they believe that doing so will benefit them. They come here to earn better money, build the necessary resources to stay, and hope to create a life for themselves here. They do so becasue quite frankly, many of the countries they come from are cesspools. We don't get as many people coming here from mexico becasue its all like cancun. In point of fact, unless your a tourist with yankee dollars in a tourist area, mexico sucks.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

"To some extent yes, but they still come here illegally because to thier mind, the chance to get here quickly, and join the workforce quickly, is better than waiting to come here legally. Its a simple Cost/benefit analysis"

LMAO oh.my.god! t:t:t:t: