Anyone else annoyed at how DC treats its characters?

[The Question]

Y'all think I'm happy about Linda Danvers being retconned out of existence so that Kara ****e-El can suck the proverbial Silver Age fanboy dick?

.......wah?




***** is gonna pay.

 

[BrianWilly]

Well, it depends on who you listen to. Didio said that "Matrix" has been retconned away. Johns mentioned in another interview that he doesn't think that's the case. Either way, we'll probably never see her again so long as Miss Thang is hanging around.

Martian Manhunter, Flash, Nightwing.

Ion, Green Arrow, Arsenal, Vixen, Animal Man and the majority of 52, Zatanna, Captain Marvel, Red Tornado, Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters, the entire cast of Checkmate, the entire cast of the Justice Society.

And every single character goes through times of utter sht, the Big Three are no exception. Ask anyone what they thought of Wonder Woman after Perez left...if they even remember what happened to her after Perez left. Ask anyone how much DC "cared" about its iconic Superman when Chuck Austen wrote that book not so very long ago. As for Batman, well, let's just say that the longer Frank Miller takes to write, the better off we'll all be. I'm all for btching and moaning about the crap that DC sometimes pulls -- and make no mistake, they can pull crap like the best of them -- but people start talking about categorizing DC's entire pull list into one big secret agenda against certain characters and I'm just like, damn, what books are you people reading?

 

[The Leaguer]

I'd say DC cared pretty damn much for Superman during Austen's run, considering they had Jim Lee, one of the hottest artists in comics, on one Superman title and had Greg Rucka churning out the best Superman we've seen in a long time on another.

No one will deny that DC doesn't get things right, but to say the good makes up for the bad is lunacy. Tell a guy who only reads Nightwing that, "it's okay if they're f***ing your comic up, because Checkmate kicks ass," and he'll think you're a jackass.

 

[Darthphere]

I'd say DC cared pretty damn much for Superman during Austen's run, considering they had Jim Lee, one of the hottest artists in comics, on one Superman title and had Greg Rucka churning out the best Superman we've seen in a long time on another.

No one will deny that DC doesn't get things right, but to say the good makes up for the bad is lunacy. Tell a guy who only reads Nightwing that, "it's okay if they're f***ing your comic up, because Checkmate kicks ass," and he'll think you're a jackass.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I don't like the way they treat some of their characters too..and I'm a little worried. In the 52 thread people were talking about one of the parts in the Question and Montoya arc and how Montoya mentioned something about the rats which was something the Question should have easily known and then people start thinking of ideas like him approaching her and all being so that she can replace him (and that his whole plan from the start was to train her to being the next Question). I don't want that to happen.

Just theories that have been made but still.

 

[The Question]

I heard a theory that Vic's terminal, and he's grooming Montoya to be his replacement.

 

[Darthphere]

I heard a theory that Vic's terminal, and he's grooming Montoya to be his replacement.

He caught cancer from that little girl.

 

[The Question]

1) She didn't have cancer

2) You can't catch cancer.

 

[Darthphere]

1) She didn't have cancer

2) You can't catch cancer.

Bull****, you can catch cancer.


And whatever disease that girl had then.

 

[The Leaguer]

You can totally catch cancer. From Mexicans.

 

[The Question]

And she wasn't a Mexican.

 

[The Leaguer]

Yes she was.

 

[The Question]

Nope. White as the first snow. And ******ed as J-Lo's acting.

 

[Darthphere]

Nope. White as the first snow. And ******ed as J-Lo's acting.

Vic is gonna die of ******edness?

 

[trustyside-kick]

I heard a theory that Vic's terminal, and he's grooming Montoya to be his replacement.

Yea you were there to witness that talk about it in the 52 thread. I hope he doesn't get replaced.

 

[Darthphere]

"Charlie" cant die damnit.

 

[trustyside-kick]

No one will deny that DC doesn't get things right, but to say the good makes up for the bad is lunacy. Tell a guy who only reads Nightwing that, "it's okay if they're f***ing your comic up, because Checkmate kicks ass," and he'll think you're a jackass.

Darn skippeh.

And yea...the biggest thing I have a problem with is the whole Cassandra Cain thing. I doubt anyone likes what happened with her.

 

[The Question]

Vic is gonna die of ******edness?

Maybe. J-Lo's acting is pretty ******ed. Maybe contagiously so.

 

[Darthphere]

Snap! Crackle! And Pop!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Darn skippeh.

And yea...the biggest thing I have a problem with is the whole Cassandra Cain thing. I doubt anyone likes what happened with her.

GAH probably loves it.

 

[Darthphere]

I know he does.

 

[rigel7soldiers]

Personally, as someone who used to hate Cassandra Cain (I used to think she walked around like she owns the place), I still think the League of Assassins thing is total bullcrap. And whoever the other new Batgirl is, isn't half the Bat she was.

 

[Tropico]

Whenever DC wants to make a character popular....they kill or get rid of whoever's holding the mantle at the moment. Ray Palmer, Orin, Ronnie Raymond, Cassandra Cain, Ted Kord, and Ray Terill are current examples of this tactic. What was so wrong with these characters that they needed replacing? Most of the stories told with the new guys in the mantle could probably be told with the predecessors, and hell, these new guys arent setting the world on fire anyway.

Curious. People were singing DC's praises when IC was around and damning Marvel for it's Disassembled evil. I guess you must be referring to DC lately. I very much disagree with you. There's no new Batgirl as far as I know, only a Batwoman. I didn't see DC killing off or getting rid of Barbara Gordon to introduce the new Batgirl. Jason Rusch had the Firestorm mantle before they got rid of Ronnie. When the "new" JSA came about, was it in the way you say DC does things? For that matter, Starman? Manhunter?

One thing I like about marvel is that, when they want to make a character more popular, they dont replace him, they actually stick with whoever's in the mantle and they try to build them. Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Ghost Rider, and Spider-Woman are good examples. Imagine Marvel saying they were gonna be more intergal to the Mu, and THEN they replace them with some newbie.

Ghost Rider and Spider Woman are good examples? Which Ghost Rider and which Spider Woman?

It feels like DC has only three first class heroes: Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. With Marvel, you can actually feel an effort to make many of their characters top sellers. Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Daredevil, Captain America, etc. Have all had their profile raised in the past few years due to marvel giving those characters some good writers and hype. Only GL feels like hes grown more popular as a character.

I know of many other well written titles in DC that aren't part of the Trinity. In fact, Manhunter was recently saved from cancellation thanks to critical acclaim. Anyway, this is the kind of backlash I expected after the IC buzz died and people started going back to Marvel.

 

[The Batman]

1. Sure they're well written...but they're not TOP sellers. Manhunter being barely saved from the chopping block only proves my point.

2. The same Spider-Woman and Ghost Rider that Marvel decided were the classic versions and decided to revive those characters, after they decided not to use their successors. They didnt just make yet ANOTHER Spider-Woman or Ghost Rider when all people wanted were the originals to be brought back.

3. The fact that they decided to focus a new firestorm book on jason instead of ronnie signifies that...he was getting rid of. Remember, Dc has been planning IC and everything before it years in advanced. Jason getting the book was only setup for ronnie's death in identity crisis

4. Who said anyone was going back to marvel? Dc's line is still superior to marvels, and their latest civil war fumble shows they've a long way to go. NO ONE in this thread said "I'm gonna only read marvel now!"

 

[The Question]

2. The same Spider-Woman and Ghost Rider that Marvel decided were the classic versions and decided to revive those characters, after they decided not to use their successors. They didnt just make yet ANOTHER Spider-Woman or Ghost Rider when all people wanted were the originals to be brought back.

And really, they didn't do anything to the other Ghost Rider or Spider Women. They just didn't use them. They didn't kill them off of screw them over in other ways.