Anyone else have dyspraxia?

[kainedamo]

Um, maybe you should go with a second diagnosis besides a note you found 3 years ago?

Then maybe see a specialist?

No see, it all clicks. It's an authentic note from a doctor and all, and I remember very well the tests. I should have realised at the time something was up, really.

 

[Erzengel]

So instead of being 100% sure, you rather just stick with a diagnosis because it essentially excuses most of your actions since you were young?

 

[The_Teacher]

I'm more worried with the fact that he fancies a 12 year old girl.

 

[kainedamo]

So instead of being 100% sure, you rather just stick with a diagnosis because it essentially excuses most of your actions since you were young?

I always knew there was something wrong, Erz. My handwriting has been child like right through high school and still is child like today. I "switch off" when I'm with a group of people that are talking. Sometimes being with a person one on one I still switch off, after only a few minutes of conversation. There are alot of things, from the way I handle a fork and knife, to the way I speak, I know myself that I have dyspraxia. It's not half as bad as when I was a kid, but I still have it.

 

[kainedamo]

However, I would like to talk to a doctor or a specialist at some point. It's been years since I've been diagnosed. I want the opinion of a specialist, see how bad they think my dyspraxia is and if I need any help with it or if it's no big deal at all. I want to know how much it holds me back. I want to know where the dyspraxia ends and where I begin, or something.

 

[Herr Logan]

I think I have that =( I'm horrible at driving and I take things too literally.

You might also want to have yourself checked for Non-Verbal Learning Disability. It encompasses a lot of the symptoms the thread starter listed for dyspraxia. I've got it, and it absolutely sucks.

I'm not going to be a completely tactless @sshole and say it's worse than AIDS, though. It's not about how soon you die, it's how painful your life is before that happens, and not having an immune system coupled with ultimately futile and expensive medical attempts to keep you alive is an even sh1ttier way to live than how I live, probably.

Anyone who wants to "self-diagnose" or get a real diagnosis for this should probably cross-reference it with Non-Verbal Learning Disability.

 

[Danalys]

You might also want to have yourself checked for Non-Verbal Learning Disability. It encompasses a lot of the symptoms the thread starter listed for dyspraxia. I've got it, and it absolutely sucks.

I'm not going to be a completely tactless @sshole and say it's worse than AIDS, though. It's not about how soon you die, it's how painful your life is before that happens, and not having an immune system coupled with ultimately futile and expensive medical attempts to keep you alive is an even sh1ttier way to live than how I live, probably.

Anyone who wants to "self-diagnose" or get a real diagnosis for this should probably cross-reference it with Non-Verbal Learning Disability.

they seem like different ways of saying the same thing logan.

if this was brought about through stress then it can be undone under the right circumstances.

 

[Calvin]

So instead of being 100% sure, you rather just stick with a diagnosis because it essentially excuses most of your actions since you were young?

Would you expect any less from Kainedamo?

 

[Herr Logan]

they seem like different ways of saying the same thing logan.

if this was brought about through stress then it can be undone under the right circumstances.

"Undone?" Well, if it's possible to have Non-Verbal Learning Disorder without the often accompanying depression and/or chronic anxiety disorders, then maybe you can sign up for some kind of stress-negating procedure (they have those, right?) and "undo" it. Otherwise, you have to live with it for the rest of your life.

It can't be "undone," it can only be "dealt with." Knowing about it is the first step towards dealing with it better, but that still won't make it go away.

 

[Danalys]

that's because they diagnose based on symptoms rather than cause. since they don't know the cause when it's first diagnosed.
so therfor many different problems can be all under the same umbra term. so the actual route of the problem needs to be discovered no matter what the diagnosis. over wise they could give some one something that wont help them and could even harm them.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

where the hell do you get tested for this?

 

[Danalys]

you normally don't. a doctor just tries to follow a check list of symptoms through discussion and then diagnoses you in an hour. it's up to their judgement if you are lying or not about anything, and some people are just really bad at judging things. a good doctor is needed tests are needed, but they are not always forth coming. mostly because the problem is not understood well enough to find a test that works.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

Well I'm pretty sure every nerd in everywhere has this then

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So instead of being 100% sure, you rather just stick with a diagnosis because it essentially excuses most of your actions since you were young?

Woman: Are you some f***ing a**hole or something Kaine. I told you to leave me alone.

Kainedamo: You must excuse me, I have Dyspraxia. Now will you date me.

 

[Erzengel]

I always knew there was something wrong, Erz. My handwriting has been child like right through high school and still is child like today. I "switch off" when I'm with a group of people that are talking. Sometimes being with a person one on one I still switch off, after only a few minutes of conversation. There are alot of things, from the way I handle a fork and knife, to the way I speak, I know myself that I have dyspraxia. It's not half as bad as when I was a kid, but I still have it.

I'm not doubting there is something wrong with you.

I'm just stating, why not get 2 professionals to agree on it, instead of just assuming? You don't even know anything about it except from what you read online. Have a trained doctor tell you the if's and what's about it. Even the doctor that diagnosed you originally just gave a note to your parents and didn't even discuss it with you.

I think that alone should warrant a trip to a doctor then a specialist.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I always knew there was something wrong, Erz. My handwriting has been child like right through high school and still is child like today. I "switch off" when I'm with a group of people that are talking. Sometimes being with a person one on one I still switch off, after only a few minutes of conversation. There are alot of things, from the way I handle a fork and knife, to the way I speak, I know myself that I have dyspraxia. It's not half as bad as when I was a kid, but I still have it.

It is quiet possible that you have no people skills from having a abscence of normal relationships.

 

[Erzengel]

I'm not doubting there is something wrong with you.

Heh. I'm unitentionally funny at times.

 

[Leto Atrides]

I'd like to repeat myself.

[size=+3]Don't self-diagnose![/size]

If you think something is really wrong, see a doctor, and tell them your problem, not what you think you have.

 

[Herr Logan]

that's because they diagnose based on symptoms rather than cause. since they don't know the cause when it's first diagnosed.
so therfor many different problems can be all under the same umbra term. so the actual route of the problem needs to be discovered no matter what the diagnosis. over wise they could give some one something that wont help them and could even harm them.

My Non-Verbal Learning Disability is supposedly caused by a discrepancy between my verbal intelligence and performance intelligence. "Performance" is like math, spacial relationships, and pretty much everything other than verbal stuff.
My verbal intelligence rated in the "high superior" range-- 135, where 100 is average.
My performance intelligence rated as "average."

Somehow, that screws up stuff in my head. I don't know if I'd be better off in general if my verbal intelligence was average to match my performance intelligence or not. I probably wouldn't have heard so many people say over the years that, "he's really very smart... he just needs to apply himself," and so forth.

Then again, it could be the other way around. I could be very smart in verbal capacities because I'm nothing special in the other capacities, to compensate. I know that is true to a degree, but how much? Does the brain of a young child somehow know to adapt itself so drastically because it isn't good enough as other people's in certain capacities? 135 is more than half-way between "average" and whatever the term they use for geniuses. Even for just a verbal score, that's pretty significant increase from "average," so that's a pretty amazing adaptation, depending on where the supposed starting point was.
I grew up in a place with a very high education rate, and my parents are both very smart and reasonably successful. If I was surrounded by "average" people growing up, would I have had to compensate in the first place? That's one big factor in the credibility of IQ tests and general diagnoses of intelligence. How do you know what average is, or how and to what a young child can adapt?

One direct effect of the discrepancy is clear to me.
It is typical of children with NVLD to impress their parents and teachers at a very young age with their verbal intelligence. Aw, look how smart the little darling is. He'll take the world by storm and outshine his parents. I'm so God damn proud! And then, when the child is a screw-up or just a little bit slower than the rest of his blossoming social network, people are disappointed with their performance and/or often assume the child is just being "lazy" or not "applying themselves." Raise expectations, then fail to reach them. That helps cause depression and anxiety. Then again, those things can also be hereditary and genetically programmed as well. They are in my case.

Intelligence is believed to be hereditary, too, to some degree. It's very obviously environmentally influenced as well, so if you grow up in an environment with your parents, from whom you receive your genetic endowment, it's very hard to separate what comes from nature or nurture. In a highly intelligent and educated family, you are no doubt more likely to be more intelligent, barring any extreme anti-intelligence factors like mental disabilities and toxic ingestion.




I feel a little hypocritical saying this, since I personally have no hope for my own future, but here goes:

If anyone else here tends to take things very literally and has high verbal intelligence, there's hope for you in the professional field. Be a lawyer, or some other kind of profession where you argue a case. Strip away the politics, corruption and personal prejudices (yeah, right) and the law is about language and the interpretation of that language. Interpreting things literally doesn't necessarily limit your options; quite often, it leaves more options. Think about it in your daily life. Hell, a lot of you are lying, scheming teenagers, so you probably already know what I'm talking about. "I didn't technically lie...."
By the way, I'm not pushing for people to become defense attorneys. Yes, they're necessary, but they suck anyway. There's other kinds of law than criminal law.

 

[Herr Logan]

EDIT: Double post.

 

[Danalys]

they call that non synchronous development herr logan. defining it doesn't get to the route cause. i think the route cause is some kind of abuse even if unintential. or at least viewing as such would allow people to be accepted.

 

[Darthphere]

So clumsiness has a fancy word now?

 

[kainedamo]

you normally don't. a doctor just tries to follow a check list of symptoms through discussion and then diagnoses you in an hour. it's up to their judgement if you are lying or not about anything, and some people are just really bad at judging things. a good doctor is needed tests are needed, but they are not always forth coming. mostly because the problem is not understood well enough to find a test that works.

I was given a fair number of different tests over the course of a couple of weeks, coupled with handwriting classes. I wasn't diagnosed in an hour.

 

[Anita18]

If it affects 10% of the population, there's BOUND to be someone else in the world who has it. That's one in 10. Think about it. You've already got a few self-described candidates on this forum, LOL. Now you guys can make a support group or something - but no pity parties. If you are truly affected by it, diagnosis is the first step, but then you'll have to use your new knowledge to deal with it, not complain about your life.

I have a stutter. I'm 22, and by this age I will never become a truly fluent normal speaker. 10% of all adults stutter, and only 1 in 4 of stutterers are female. I consider myself extra-special. But there are programs out there for stutterers, support groups, people who know where you're coming from. Heck, in my 2000-student college I directly knew 4 people who also did. My college's vice president stuttered too, and I thought that was pretty cool. He reads all of the names during graduation, and I really admire him for that, because that would be the nightmare of most stutterers, LOL.

 

[Erzengel]

I was given a fair number of different tests over the course of a couple of weeks, coupled with handwriting classes. I wasn't diagnosed in an hour.

Yeah but you found a note. The Doctor didn't sit you down and say hey kid, this is what you have.

Wouldn't it be "logical" to get a second opinion after that?