Alfie Luke said:
It's a number I just threw out there, based on the 2 examples you gave me... calm down kiddo.
IMDb is a database that is being constantly improved by people, it's normal that they make mistakes at some point, doesn't mean they'll always keep it that way.
Yes,
because IMDB is a database that is constantly contributed by people and despite the fact that they could be TRYING to improve, there are far too many examples where they have posted inaccurate information without checking up on it. That's what makes it credibility questionable, especially in this particular case, where I have already posted numerous sources that discredit the information listed on IMDB.
There's a difference between discrediting a site and finding a mistake, if there's one.
I'm not discrediting IMDB completely. Sure they have accurate info. But they are much more prone to posting inaccurate info even moreso than many other sites. That's why information from IMDB can't be held up to scrutiny in an argument.
That's like saying you respect the fact that I have a father, but you don't respect my father... because you happen to dissagree with him, nice going billy.
If that's the way you're going to take it, fine. Besides, if your father is anything like you, I don't see why I'd want to respect him anyway.
People don't have to "respect" each other's opinions. Otherwise no one would have the right to criticize the views of radicals and extremists.
Plus, what exactly about my opinion is "faulty"? I'd like a taller Batman, because I think it fits the character better in my eyes and he's often portrayed that way... yeah, that's just ridiculous! [/Sarcasm]
Here's what's wrong with your logic:
1. You seem to take into account only the instances where the character has been portrayed as a big, hulking menace, yet seemingly discount those where he hasn't, despite the fact that they are just as many in number.
2. You seem to have an issue with something extremely trivial. It's still understandable if you were to complain that his height isn't according to his comics profile, which is 6'2. No, you want it to be a lot more than that. You're giving your own personal preferences such importance that you deem it worthy of as long and pointless a debate as this,
regardless of the fact that you don't have any solid, hard facts to back your opinion.
How can you not get this?
You clearly said that it didn't make a difference to you what height Alfred was in the movie... if that's really the case, you probably wouldn't mind if he was 6'6'' right?
If Alfred was 6'6, then I would have wanted Bruce Wayne to be
at least as tall as he is. Which he is in Begins.
Although they represent a 'minority' of the population, they are the most important persons in the movie and thus, have a direct impact on the main character, which happens to be Christian Bale, as Batman.
That's just plain contradiction. First, you said you wanted a Batman that should be taller than the average man in his universe. I showed you that he is. Now you're ignoring what you said and jumping off on an other tangent entirely. Nice going, chump.
Plus, to your information it takes at least 2 people for a debate to occur, so if you don't see the point of making one about those issues, remember that you're part of the problem... so if you're not happy, you're welcome to leave.
I can say the exact same thing to you. In fact, I'm in an even better position to tell you that, since I've argued my point backed by a number of different sources, while yours is mostly based on your own personal preferences.
You see, in your previous quote ( in this post ), you claimed that part of the reason why it was okay for Ra's to be taller was because he's "Bruce's mentor and the main villain", well I just happen to have the same point of view, but with the main hero. According to you, the role of the person in the story has an impact on it's representation... which is what I've been saying.
No, what I said was it was because of Neeson's role
and performance that I didn't have a "problem" with him being taller than Bale. As in I'm trying to ague how it CAN be
acceptable for someone who
does complain about it, because of the above factors. Not once did I imply that a person's height has any impact or bearing on his role in the story. It's the performance, and only the performance that ultimately counts when all is said and done. That's why so many people still love Keaton today.
Either your comment is as ridiculous as mine or I'm right, bobby.
Or you simply failed to grasp the meaning behind my words, little toddler.
That's not what you said... here it is:
You see, you clearly said that only after the added height that the suit provides, would he be the "perfect Batman", not before. Please, at least make the effort to remember what you say, for the sake of the discussion.
I said he was "
at least 6'1". Not once in that part of my post did I actually imply that it was his accurate height. And the reason why I mentioned the part about the suit eventually making him look bigger than he is anyway because at the time of Bale's casting, there were a handful of sources that reported that Bale was 6'0 or 6'1 and a couple of anal retentive posters like you who made a big deal out of it, and that's how we got them to shut up.
Don't try to judge something you know nothing of, skippy. It'll only make you look bad. Again.
Like I said, they all have important roles... and whether you like it or not, he'll be compared to them, when it comes to height. Batman being the central character of the movie, it's only fair to have him stand out.
Any given actor in any given film "stands out" primarily because of his performance and not his appearance. Just like how Cruise was obviously shorter than Foxx in Collateral but still managed to put on a hell of show.
I didn't "hope" his boots would be thick... you're the one that said that.
I said "
if he's wearing thick soled boots". I simply presented it as a possibility.
You talked about the "added inch or two" that his suit would add. I initially thought that you were reffering to his boots, as having pointy ears doesn't really make someone look "taller".
Yes it does. The whole suit makes him look noticeably bigger and bulkier, and the horns and the cowl only amplifies and adds to the illusion of him appearing taller than he is.
Plus, you're comment about him being almost as tall as Ra's might be too subjective until further proof... sorry bud.
Watch the film. I'm tired spoonfeeding you with pics.
The thing is, now that you mention the boots, it might end up being a bigger issue than you think... there's so many types of shoes that even with your pic of the group, it would still be pretty hard to say distinctively who's taller than who.
There are only certain kinds of shoes that people wear with suits. And none of them are as thick-soled as to immediately give a 2 (or even a single) inch boost to the wearer. Heck, even the most thick soled Caterpillar shoes are barely 1.5 inches thick, after you take feet positioning into account, and it's absurd to think that Bale is wearing that kind of shoes with his suit (because
nobody does).
You discredit my pics because we don't really see how they are standing or on what... in your pics, we don't see what kind of shoes or boots they are wearing, which could end up addind a few inches. It's not more far fetched than your theory.
Just in case you don't pull yet ANOTHER "Alfie Luke", here's two more pics, where you can clearly see both Caine and Bale, clearly 6'2, standing on even ground, legs and shoes very much visible:
Couple these pics and the other pics I posted with the profiles that list both Caine and Bale as 6'2 and your argument of Bale being any shorter is pretty much dead.
Please, if anything you're as "desperate" as I am...
We're both in the same boat, quit your crying or simply jump out, jacky boy.
I see that you avoided addressing the actual argument there and only responded with a juvenile witty comeback. Thanks again for proving my point.
Which is all you can do, anyway.
Thereby leaving me with no doubt you're either blind, senile or in complete denial. That river in Egypt is starting to look real good right about now, eh junior?
The only thing you base your interpretation on is the fact that it's written 'foot' and not 'feet', which could've been during the transcription. It's a pretty weak argument... trying to discredit his own quote based on the fact that you "feel" like he doesn't look too "concerned", peh-lease.
Looking at the pics and the profiles I've posted, it's very much obvious Bale
was speaking in a casual manner. I'm not discrediting the guy. I'm only saying he was speaking of his height in loose terms and not in exact values. Why's that so hard to understand? Or are you afraid of losing that final straw you so desperately seem to hanging onto?
How could it not feel like at least an "attempt"? You questionning my intelligence when it was, at no point in the discussion, never an issue reaks of desperation... and the fact that you would hide the text is even more pathetic.
Like I said sweetie, it was a simple joke. The white text would have been inevitably visible once you quoted my post, so there was no point in "hiding it" when you were clearly meant to see it, and see you did. What I didn't anticipate, was you getting your panties in a bunch like that all over it. Jeez, ease down there, babe.
If you called me a jackass or a moron, you wouldn't "question" my intelligence, you would already have made up your mind about it.
I'm aggressively confrontational. I don't "question" people's intelligence. I outright smack them with a condescending and insulting remark should I even get at least a hint of a lack of intelligence. I don't know why I'm so tolerant with you though. Must be because you're not some Johnny-come-lately newbie and seemed alright at first.
Or perhaps you're right. Guess I
should make up my mind about that now.
Even celebrity heights says he's not 6'2'', so...
Then celebrity heights is wrong. Because a picture is worth a thousand words and the pics I attached with this post clearly seal the deal. Bale is 6'2.
Sorry, I've already finished those... but nice try there cap'tain.
Marks given out of pity don't apply, son.
