Apple console...yes or no?

[Joker]

Apple's innovation has never been with introducing new ideas. They've simply found great methods in revolutionizing existing concepts and foundations. The iPhone is a perfect example. Touch screens have been around forever, but it wasn't until the iPhone came out that it became a big factor in everyday gadgets. Simply because it wasn't until this device that melded responsive touchscreens with intuitive user interfaces. You can even see this within their OS.

People need to stop ragging on Apple for their successes in technologies that other companies couldn't flourish in. It is of no question that most of what Apple has accomplished these past few years are from pre-existing technologies and ideas. But what is put on paper isn't necessarily translated with the actual product. Which is why touchscreens haven't been popular until now, despite several gadgets utilizing the tech. Apple simply copied what others were doing...and implemented it much better.

If they want to apply this to the gaming world, then so be it. We should all welcome competition. It keeps rival companies on their toes.

In other words their big ideas arent in coming up with new things, but in stealing other peoples ideas and passing them off as their own, with a higher price tag. That's all they've been doing since the first iPod.

Although I would love to see them come into the console game just to get crushed, as I would hope the real hardcore gamers could see through their BS, and the casual crowd has already latched onto the Wii.

 

[TheBat812]

What companies are you talking about. For the record, while PCs are far superior for writing code and traditional computer programming, Apple has cornered the market in design oriented personal computers. Go to any magazine, newspaper or publishing firm and all publications are designed and created on Apples and Mac OS X's superior software in that department and Apple has run away with video/film editing thanks to their semi-alliance with Final Cut Pro and tailor-fitting it to Apple, as well as music software, etc.

So, both Apples and PCs are quite good computers, depending on what you want to do. For actual accounting and programming, the PC is better. For design, editing, etc. an Apple is better. Everything in between (Internet, word, etc.) is pretty much even, depending on which operating system you prefer and the longevity of a machine. Gaming is a strength to PC, but since I only use consoles, I don't really care.

As somebody who is studying film production as my major and currently am interning and doing graphic design work at a production house (Bonne Pioche which is responsible for March of the Penguins), I can tell you that's a common misconception. Macs are good for small projects that don't need much organization.

The only advantage to macs is that they are less susceptible to viruses, yet with simple software and any small amount of intelligence, PCs offer the same protection.

Macs have built their new fanbase upon their sleek design and 'simplicity.' Props to them for building an advertising campaign based solely on bashing PCs based on untrue stereotypes. Funny they can still sell less powerful computers for way steeper prices because they're marketed to idiots.

In short, Apple is full of ****, and the only things I can give them credit for is improving a few things as far as their OS goes and for successfully luring morons into paying more money for less quality machines with an ad campaign based on exaggerated stereotypes.

 

[Crook]

In other words their big ideas arent in coming up with new things, but in stealing other peoples ideas and passing them off as their own, with a higher price tag. That's all they've been doing since the first iPod.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not. The methods that Apple have innovated are their own. They have the patents to prove it, you're free to look them up. The technologies based on it are not. It hasn't been said otherwise. This is the case for every consumer product out there, from mobile phones, to televisions, to cars. "Stealing" is a highly exaggerated and incorrect usage of the term in these contexts.

Although I would love to see them come into the console game just to get crushed, as I would hope the real hardcore gamers could see through their BS, and the casual crowd has already latched onto the Wii.

I still don't think if Apple would ever enter the fray, that they'd cater to the Nintendo approach. Apple cornered its own niche audience, but it was far from "casual". Their advertising and products pretty much center on marketing "premium" products, so I'm not sure that they'd approach the general, casual gaming crowd.

The only advantage to macs is that they are less susceptible to viruses, yet with simple software and any small amount of intelligence, PCs offer the same protection.

Macs have built their new fanbase upon their sleek design and 'simplicity.' Props to them for building an advertising campaign based solely on bashing PCs based on untrue stereotypes. Funny they can still sell less powerful computers for way steeper prices because they're marketed to idiots.

You'd be surprised at how something so miniscule can prove to be a dealbreaker for many. I have a desktop PC and a Mac laptop, but I tend to use the latter much more because it's definitely a lot more simpler, intuitive, and prettier to look at.

 

[Shaolin Kenobi]

Its too late in the game for any company to get into the console business. At least not at this point and time

never say never.

 

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I tried... I really tried to love Mac.
But I felt like it was computing with training wheels.
I hate the interface and I hate how it doesn't let you do what you want.
Mac seems to operate on the Wizard of Oz premise:
"Never mind the man behind the curtain!"
Sure, sure... you can load this or that operating system on it and gain back some semblence of control.
But why?
Despite a BRILLAINT marketing campaign Mac is not attractive to me.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well actually, there is a real hatred and disdain between Apple and Microsoft. It goes back to Microsoft stealing the software for Windows from Apple and giving Apple's hardware designs to IBM back in the 1980s. Ever since Apple has hated Microsoft and took a protectionist independent type of strategy in the 1990s that caused them to nearly implode and Microsoft bought Apple out at that point. Don't tell me they were not planning to dismantle Apple, but then Microsoft had problems during the bubble burst at the turn of the century and Apple came out with the hugely successful iMac followed by the even bigger iPod success around that time. This made Apple a huge competitor again. And after the huge success of Pixar (which Steve Jobs co-founded and Apple still has some loose ownership in), they could afford buying Microsoft out and soaring away.

Look at those Apple v. PC commercials. It really is Apple vs. Microsoft/Windows. And the response was Bill Gates sponsoring huge counter commercials trying to make Apple look like elitists with those commercials and their products (bad year to take a culture war to anything, it turned out).

All competitors dislike competition, if not in theory, then in personal practice. But it is truly personal between Microsoft and Apple, though.

Frankly from the way I noticed every time Microsoft gets into competition with someone, they tend to make it personal with Sony over the Xbox and PlayStation, Google over the Internet, etc.

 

[DACrowe]

In other words their big ideas arent in coming up with new things, but in stealing other peoples ideas and passing them off as their own, with a higher price tag. That's all they've been doing since the first iPod.

Although I would love to see them come into the console game just to get crushed, as I would hope the real hardcore gamers could see through their BS, and the casual crowd has already latched onto the Wii.

In business there is no such thing as copyrighting or retaining IP ownership over an entire field or market. Apple comes in with better products, slick designs and a good marketing campaign and cleans up.

I mean both Apple and Microsoft are founded on your concept of "stealing." Microsoft's founders did not create the DOS system, but BOUGHT IT from some dumbass for a couple hundred dollars and sold it to IBM and that is how Microsoft got its start.

Interface software--which revolutionized computers and changed them from professional tools in high-end business, governance, military, etc. into personal little machines with monitors and cool windows any laymen could use--is the perfect example.

It was XEROX who developed and pioneered the path of interface software, but the companies top brass had no idea what a golden goose this was, so they basically let Apple come in and take it for nearly free. Steve Jobs and co. refined it and built from it Macintosh, the first real PC that was a huge hit. This leads right back to Microsoft, when Bill Gates and Jobs started doing business together and Microsoft agreed to design spread sheet software for Macintosh computers and the Mac OS operating system.

Now this, you could call bordering on theft or some form of copyright infringement. Not only did Microsoft explore everything Apple and Jobs were doing and make an inferior product of Mac OS called Windows, but they gave the Macintosh designs TO IBM. So shady was Microsoft's dealings here, Apple sued them over it. But our court system saw there was no way to claim ownership on an entrepenerual idea, and to promote competition, they sided with Microsoft.


Right there in a nutshell is what you all theft. Yet, can I guess you own an Xbox 360 (like most in the West do)? That is made by a company that has rarely innovated. The two biggest breakthroughs that company had early on came from purchasing (DOS) and "theft"--at least ethically ambiguous business practices (Windows). What was Xbox but a slightly more powerful and clunkier version of the PS2 and to a lesser extent Gamecube (it did not have DVD capabilities)? Is there anything that distinguishably different between the 360 and the PS3? As far as I'm concerned they're the same damn thing. I only chose PS3 because it had Blu-ray and Metal Gear Solid, but I really have no brand loyalty between the two.

Innovation is rare. Brand uniqueness or building off in a fresh, leaner way is where some shrewd success can be had. Microsoft, Apple, Sony, even Nintendo--the only company that does seem to be trying something new right now...while repackaging old hardware--understands this.

 

[DACrowe]

As somebody who is studying film production as my major and currently am interning and doing graphic design work at a production house (Bonne Pioche which is responsible for March of the Penguins), I can tell you that's a common misconception. Macs are good for small projects that don't need much organization.

The only advantage to macs is that they are less susceptible to viruses, yet with simple software and any small amount of intelligence, PCs offer the same protection.

Macs have built their new fanbase upon their sleek design and 'simplicity.' Props to them for building an advertising campaign based solely on bashing PCs based on untrue stereotypes. Funny they can still sell less powerful computers for way steeper prices because they're marketed to idiots.

In short, Apple is full of ****, and the only things I can give them credit for is improving a few things as far as their OS goes and for successfully luring morons into paying more money for less quality machines with an ad campaign based on exaggerated stereotypes.

Well I respect your opinion in disliking Apple. However, I have done quite a bit of film and video work in recent years and find a PowerMac or strong Apple Desktop far superior to use for editing. Final Cut Pro is an amazing program that runs far smoother with fewer hiccups on Apples, which are made to be far more intuitive for that work, to the point where I couldn't imagine using a PC for editing ever again. I also have several friends who professionally work in music and they refuse to use anything, but Apples. I don't know much about page design, but I have learned basic use of InDesign and know that is what few newsrooms I've been in use to print their publications.


But yeah, for personal use, there is little difference in what you want to use for personal storage of files, programs, internet use, etc. I prefer Apple because my Macs have lasted longer than my PCs and don't get viruses. I also think Mac OS is far less buggy and easier to use than Windows. I also like that when my Mac does have problems I can go to a nearby Apple store where they will almost always repair or fix any problems for free as opposed to calling Dell in India in middle of the night. Just my preference though.

 

[TheBat812]

Well I respect your opinion in disliking Apple. However, I have done quite a bit of film and video work in recent years and find a PowerMac or strong Apple Desktop far superior to use for editing. Final Cut Pro is an amazing program that runs far smoother with fewer hiccups on Apples, which are made to be far more intuitive for that work, to the point where I couldn't imagine using a PC for editing ever again. I also have several friends who professionally work in music and they refuse to use anything, but Apples. I don't know much about page design, but I have learned basic use of InDesign and know that is what few newsrooms I've been in use to print their publications.


But yeah, for personal use, there is little difference in what you want to use for personal storage of files, programs, internet use, etc. I prefer Apple because my Macs have lasted longer than my PCs and don't get viruses. I also think Mac OS is far less buggy and easier to use than Windows. I also like that when my Mac does have problems I can go to a nearby Apple store where they will almost always repair or fix any problems for free as opposed to calling Dell in India in middle of the night. Just my preference though.

From my experience, the opposite has been true. I've had less issues with PCs than with Macs. You can also bring your PC to the geeksquad at your local Best Buy without waiting an hour plus or having to make an appointment. Plus when you have a problem with your PC the majority of the time you can look up how to fix it yourself. Overall it's a matter of preference, but my problem is that Mac has built up this false idea that it works better and with less problems than PCs, when it's not true. Simpler, arguably, but for the price, there's no argument that can persuade me that a Mac is a better deal than a PC. Not only that but I dont think you can customize your mac can you? For example; I could build (or have my friend build) me a PC for 1000 bucks that destroys a 3000 dollar mac in every way. I can also continue to upgrade it as the years go by. Is that possible with Macs? This makes the Mac invasion understandable due to ease of use for the casual user who can spend 3 times the amount of money.

 

[Grievous]

I say no, we already have to many companys in the console wars as it is.

 

[Havok83]

Its finally happening. Introducing the iPlay

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/04/01/apple-introducing-iplay-game-console

Just watch the video

 

[ProjectPat2280]

LOL.

Not bad.

They had me for the briefest of seconds, but my nose is glued to things like MacLife that i wondered why i hadnt heard of it, then the camera focused on the back of that dudes head, i looked at the calendar and then realized, ah yea.