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Are We Too Cynical/Pessimistic These Days?

So by 'speculating' you mean circulating beliefs that could possibly harm or defame an organization not necessarily guilty of the claims people make? Gotcha.

This is how prejudice is propagated, there are few things as bad as combining passion with being misinformed.
 
Within the last few years, I've become a very cynical person as I lost faith in humanity a long time ago. I suppose watching a lot of news will do that to you.
 
I think a lot of people can be a little overdramatic. For example, I know this is a bit of a tangent but there's been quite a few posters who tell how jaded and hardened by life they've become because of women and relationships. Then when pressed they admit, that it's because they've never had a gf or they had a gf in high school like 7 years ago. :huh:
 
Thank you for all the responses, everyone.

There is something I have to clarify, though. There's a difference between being a cynic and a realist, and I consider myself a realist as well. It's normal to feel like the world is a cruel place, that human stupidity has no limits and that nothing can surprise you. It's fine to consistently provide constructive criticism to our societal issues, and even fine to focus more on the negative things in the world than the positive...as long as the positive things are acknowledged.

A realist still shares the same opinions as the cynic on the world's disgusting issues but when something good comes along and stares them in the face, the realist acknowledges it while the cynic's hateful nature still interprets it as a negative, or sees cons more than the pros even when the pros far outweigh the cons.

And that's precisely my point. It seems everyone in a cynic these days or has been/is being raised to live by misanthropic values. The belief that no matter what we do, we are unjust and create more injustice. I guess I should have titled this thread "Are We Too Misanthropic These Days?", because it was the more accurate word. And that's what bothers me. That we have essentially been taught and conditioned to hate ourselves and the human race by extension.

I brought up how there was a boy with cancer and had a fundraiser drive going for him that was really successful. A lot of people's responses to that was to tell him to "check his privilege". "Why aren't you doing this for the dying little girls, or the POC children with cancer? I have a feeling you wouldn't care so much then." "This shows everything that's wrong with society!"

How much of a cynic do we have to be for our first initial gut-reaction to us bringing joy to life of a child battling cancer is to still interpret it as "everything that's wrong with society"? If that doesn't show how misanthropic we've become, I don't know what does.

Nothing is ever good enough, everything is a conspiracy theory. I briefly touched on that in the opening post but haven't gone in-depth with it. When Osama Bin Laden was killed, there was confirmation by DNA, eyewitnesses and his own wife. Conspiracy theorists ran wild demanding an image of the body. Now regardless of what you believed, ask yourself the following question: Would most of those same people have been satisfied if they showed the body? After all, faking a dead body isn't that hard, especially when solely viewed through a camera. People can photoshop a dead body off their laptop. Look at how some perceived the images of the moon landing. Where do we draw the line?

Just on page 1 of this thread, someone brought up how sad it was that there are millions of diseases that don't get the same notice as ALS does, the irony being that for so long, ALS was one of those millions of diseases that went unnoticed compared to others. If anything, this viral marketing campaign is proof that unknown conditions can get off the ground and reach mainstream ears, just like ALS did. A year ago, we would have been complaining how ALS doesn't get the same attention as Cancer or AIDS because it doesn't affect as many people. Again, where do we draw the line?

I guess to add some perspective to some on a site like this, we are gradually turning into these guys:
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Half serious and half joking about that.
 
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^Fantastic post, Shikamaru, and I love that Batman scene. I'll be honest, I'm only an adolescent, so I'm not quite as "hardened," but I hink you're right. My question is, why DO so many people think like Owl Man? I have plenty of friends who have lost all faith in humanity. Why? Is it disappointed optimism? Do you really hate humans or see no hope in us at all? Why is hope and virtue always put off as "naive"?
 
If you're under 40 and that disillusioned you got problems. You're supposed to be having fun and ****.
 
Actually, isn't teenage hood all ABOUT being disillusioned? Loss of innocence and all that?
 
Be in your mid 20s finished with school or working since out of high school, then you can be disillusioned.
 
Wait, I'm not saying that I or my friends ponder about the meaning of life all day, I'm just saying that you start thinking more about the world that you live in...

That's why I'm asking about the cause of cynicism. I just don't have the experience quite yet.
 
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People who are criticizing the ALS ice bucket challenge are idiots and they're only doing it because they like being contrarian. If its helped raise this much awareness and raise 40x the money that was made last year, then how is it a bad thing?

And to complain about the wasting of water is also ridiculous. Unless those people refrain from showering then they have no right to complain.
 
So no complaints about it are legitimate? I hate how you're vilified if you take any issue with it. If it raised money, that's great. But it's also obviously an exercise in narcissism (even CNN pointed that out) and the vast majority of people participating either won't give money to ALS or don't even know it's for ALS. So you can spout your "contrarian" crap, but it's more a case of me not having my opinion cowed and tumblr'd by the politically correct in-crowd until I fall in line and gush about it like everyone else.
 
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Society has become a place where the majority of people must have their attention directed for them... otherwise they have no place to go towards. Even when people try to find truths for themselves, what choice do they have but to go biased sources initially before gleaning any sort of "truth" from anything? So when a percentage of that majority can't find their own version of the "truth"... they borrow other's "truths" and claim them as their own... cynicism is usually part of the package deal.
 
So no complaints about it are legitimate? I hate how you're vilified if you take any issue with it. If it raised money, that's great. But it's also obviously an exercise in narcissism (even CNN pointed that out) and the vast majority of people participating either won't give money to ALS or don't even know it's for ALS. So you can spout your "contrarian" crap, but it's more a case of me not having my opinion cowed and tumblr'd by the politically correct in-crowd until I fall in line and gush about it like everyone else.

No one said there are no legitimate complaints about it. There are cons, but it's a situation where the pros outweigh the cons. That's stated in the opening post.

The point is that we live in a society where we never see the pros and only the cons, even when there is more good than bad in the outcome. This is an issue far bigger than some silly internet challenge. It's just the latest example in a pile full of it.
 
Fair enough, but I think it's dismissive to label those who question or judge as all being "cynical" and then equating that with a bad quality. Most of us are just discerning and pointing out straight truth that others purposely overlook.
 
I think what it comes down to is, everybody is trying to be Holden Caulfield when not everyone is a phony.
 
So no complaints about it are legitimate? I hate how you're vilified if you take any issue with it. If it raised money, that's great. But it's also obviously an exercise in narcissism (even CNN pointed that out) and the vast majority of people participating either won't give money to ALS or don't even know it's for ALS. So you can spout your "contrarian" crap, but it's more a case of me not having my opinion cowed and tumblr'd by the politically correct in-crowd until I fall in line and gush about it like everyone else.

You don't have to gush, but why do you have to step on it? Is there no other option? What is happening with the ALS ice bucket challenge that has everyone so high strung about it? That's what I don't get. Look what you're saying "it's more a case of me not having my opinion cowed and tumblr'd by the politically correct in-crowd" It's not being cowed, its being fueled by them. You would have no opinion of it if it didn't have such a strong social network presence. You might not have even heard of it, but because people are doing and enjoying themselves and you don't want to participate or whatever, no one can have their fun.
 
Fair enough, but I think it's dismissive to label those who question or judge as all being "cynical" and then equating that with a bad quality. Most of us are just discerning and pointing out straight truth that others purposely overlook.

It's not the only factor in the equation; it's just the latest example in a pile full of it. It's something I've had on my mind for a while and this latest trend is what inspired me to make this thread. I also listed other examples besides the ice bucket challenge, which everyone seems to have ignored or glossed over.

I do have to admit that historically speaking, I am a bit of a hypocrite. For the longest time, I really did hate the world as a whole and still have misanthropic thoughts now and then. Recently I've been trying to change that and be more balanced. I still see all the negatives I saw before, and I do agree with you on specific crowds doing the ice bucket challenge, but I try to look for the positives as well.
 
I think we were most optimistic even 5 years ago compared to now. Maybe because the economy and junk just is terrible right now.
 
The discussion about "cosplay and racism" made me think of this.
And yes, a lot of us can be too cynical, to an obnoxious degree.
The opposite happenes you know, when it comes to gullibility.
 
I wouldn't say we're too cynical or pessimistic. Instead, we are impatient, selfish, and overall assh***s in this country (United States) at least.
 
Leave the cynicism to Europe. :oldrazz:
 
You know we're too cynical when the immigrant children look up and beg for sanctuary and we collectively look down and whisper, "no".

Ditto for any overseas tragedy Americans turn a blind eye to.
 

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