Comics Are you ready for the SECOND COMING of the Mutant Messiah?

[OutcryX]

also...so was Jean really dead dead in Bishop's future to have NOT come back and absorbed Hope inside of her?

 

[Havok83]

also...so was Jean really dead dead in Bishop's future to have NOT come back and absorbed Hope inside of her?

future timelines are so screwy that you cant really ask hypothetical questions such as that. Theoretically Bishop's future shouldnt exist just on account of him coming to the past and staying so long, effectively influencing and changing numerous events. BUT we arent supposed to be thinking that way

 

[OutcryX]

yet since that seems to be the case anyways...what happened to the Jean of Bishop's time that she couldn't come and end Hope

 

[Havok83]

who knows? Originally Jean died when Onslaught killed her but Bishop stopped that from happening, so we dont know exactly when she dies in his future. The only reason she is out there looking for her Phoenix fragments is bc she was prematurely resurrected in Endsong. Maybe that event never happened in Bishop's timeline. Again this is all theoretical anyway bc we all we are doing is speculating as we dont even know exactly what Hope is or her true connection to Jean if in fact there actually is one

 

[javi1024]

who knows? Originally Jean died when Onslaught killed her but Bishop stopped that from happening, so we dont know exactly when she dies in his future. The only reason she is out there looking for her Phoenix fragments is bc she was prematurely resurrected in Endsong. Maybe that event never happened in Bishop's timeline. Again this is all theoretical anyway bc we all we are doing is speculating as we dont even know exactly what Hope is or her true connection to Jean if in fact there actually is one

i hate time travel.

 

[javi1024]

I wonder if Second Coming refers to the Second Coming of Dark Phoenix. Im thining Bishop kills Cable which causes Hope to lose it and go all Dark Phoenix on everyone. She kills and causes all types of destruction with Jean coming in the end, absorbing her (bc I think she's a Phoenix fragment) and using all of her full Phoenix powers to reset things, similarly to what she did in Ultimate X-men. The damage that Hope did is undone and Mday is also reversed. Jean remains either depowered or back to her levels pre-Phoenix

i guess it wouldnt be that much of a stretch for the fully-powered Phoenix could do such a thing (look at the stuff Morrison did), but that kinda feels like an easy way out mutant extinction crisis. but if thats what it would have to take for the original Jean "Marvel Girl" Grey to return without that damn bird looming inside her i'd totally be behind it.

but i like the idea of her being a Phoenix fragment. would explain her ability to completely wipe Rogue clean in MC.

 

[SublimeDelusion]

If Jean comes back and kills Hope, what new kind of monster that make her, then?

The kind of woman that Cyclops would realize "hey, sh'e's pretty messed up too, kinda like when I was absorbed by Apocalypse". Not that it's likely, but you know that there will be some kind of drama like that if Jean comes back.

Then again, I'm not really looking that forward to this at all. I just want to know what happens and move on. I got a bit exhausted over the "mutant Messiah" thing a while back.

 

[Manic]

i hate time travel.

So do I, sometimes. I'm still trying to figure out why Rachel Summers is alive and in her 20's again. She died of old age in Cable's time.

 

[Havok83]

So do I, sometimes. I'm still trying to figure out why Rachel Summers is alive and in her 20's again. She died of old age in Cable's time.

Rachel never made it to Cable's time line. She was lost in the timestream somewhere around Excalibur 75 where she would go on to form the Askani in Cable's timeline. However when Cable defeated Apocalypse in the Twelve storyline, that future diverged from 616 and erased it as a potential future for the main reality. She wound up in an another apocalyptic timeline and Cable went and saved her. She doesnt remember anything about her time as Mother Askani aside from a few faint memories. She pretty much how she left in the mid 90s

 

[OutcryX]

Ahhh, Apocalyptic futures....the ONLY option for anything X-related...that's why the big A doesn't just go full out and kill everyone/convert them to horsemen..cuz he knows no matter what or how everything plays out in the present...he wins in the future. Just biding his time.

 

[chamber-music]

Half the X-Mens time is spent fighting their crazy relatives anyway.

 

[javi1024]

Half the X-Mens time is spent fighting their crazy relatives anyway.

only if your a Summers or a Grey. and on ocassion a Rasputin.

 

[OutcryX]

...and Braddock...or Blair...McCoy has a doppelganger...

 

[chamber-music]

What about Proteus, Black Tom Cassidy, Juggernaut, Mystique, Legion, Adrienne Frost, Emplate, Daken, Jamie Braddock, Cassandra Nova and more I can't think of right now.

 

[Havok83]

haha and now Dazzler has to deal with her sister that hates her. Wolverine has Daken. Im surprised with as many Guthries as there are (most being mutants), none of them have turned evil and come back to hurt Sam or Paige

 

[javi1024]

yea totally blanked on the other family trees in the x-universe.

 

[OutcryX]

is Daken a 'true' bad guy tho?

 

[chamber-music]

All the Guthries were bad in AoA but then again most of the mutants that are good in 616 were bad in that universe.

 

[javi1024]

is Daken a 'true' bad guy tho?

well i he just doesn't care about anyone elses well-being besides his own. im sure hes not gonna hurt you unless you get in his way or it gets him what he wants. id say that makes him more "bad guy" than hero.

 

[chamber-music]

Daken has killed some girl he was involved with just to cover his tracks

 

[javi1024]

there you go- to protect himself.

 

[Havok83]

IGN has a nice feature called X-men: The Road to Second Coming. It pretty much recaps the important events of the past few years which have been leading up to Second Coming. Its worth a read and a good resource for new readers

http://comics.ign.com/articles/106/1065221p1.html

 

[Havok83]

More hints of Cable's upcoming death. It seems pretty inevitable at this point

 

[OutcryX]

so is the 'one will fall' and the 'one will sacrifice' going to be the same person?

 

[BoredGuy]

I would hope not, that's a bit of a cop out


And is that supposed to be Elixir, looking all not-gold in that pic???
...Stay gold, pony boy...lol...