At what point did you know DCEU was failing ?

[Frodo]

I think that is a possibility.

Yeah. Its hard for people to take the long view when they're passionately for or against something in the moment. They think they'll be in the same mindset in 10 to 20 years that they are now and they assume everyone will view things the same way they do now.

Now I'm not a fan of BvS or alot of Zack choices but I having been around a few decades I've certainly seen opinion change from new generations or films which may have gotten a bad reception in the past get debated and talked about.

 

[Erzengel]

I'm not sure how it will be gauged though. Then again who knows how we will communicate in 20 years, some sort of holovid or something. Who would of thought of the way social media would explode years ago.

Now I'm not a fan of BvS or alot of Zack choices but I having been around a few decades I've certainly seen opinion change from new generations or films which may have gotten a bad reception in the past get debated and talked about.

But I think gone are the days of true cult movies because of the instantaneous dissemination of opinions. There's no more Blade Runner that goes by word of mouth. Maybe you can say Mad Max is somewhat close to that but it still made more money than other movies designated as cult movies even with inflation.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yeah. Its hard for people to take the long view when they're passionately for or against something in the moment. They think they'll be in the same mindset in 10 to 20 years that they are now and they assume everyone will view things the same way they do now.

Now I'm not a fan of BvS or alot of Zack choices but I having been around a few decades I've certainly seen opinion change from new generations or films which may have gotten a bad reception in the past get debated and talked about.

Ditto on that!

 

[DOBSON10]

Really good points. I did think Eisenberg as Lex was an improvement in the post credits of JL, but that was just a cameo.

I know Cranston was such an obvious and uninspired choice but if they could've gotten him, they should've. I think Corey Stoll would make a fantastic Luthor as well.

My personal choices were Woody Harrelson or Mark Strong, but Cranston or Stoll would have been OK too. To be honest, there are probably 100+ actors that would have been a better choice than Eisenberg. Actually, if I were to make a list of people who shouldn't play Lex Luthor, Eisenberg would have been near the top. Still baffled at the decision to this day.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

My personal choices were Woody Harrelson or Mark Strong, but Cranston or Stoll would have been OK too.

Harrelson would have been an interesting choice.

Actually, if I were to make a list of people who shouldn't play Lex Luthor, Eisenberg would have been near the top. Still baffled at the decision to this day.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You're missing my point. My point was that ALL of Raimi's Spiderman films were bashed by a segment of fanboys after SM3. You may not have been around for it but it did happen. Now he's praised for them and he's been cut alot of slack for SM3 and Sony is blamed.

As far as history goes, we'll see. Its only been a few years. Come back in 20 and we'll talk.

Piss poor comparison. The first two Spider-man films are acclaimed. The second one in particular is an all timer. That doesn't mean those films worked for everybody. SM 3 sucking gave license to those who were less impressed with Raimi to bash him. This reached a fever pitch with ASM because these people thought they would do things right [according to them].

They sucked. Now this loud minority has gone quiet. The people you see praising Raimi now have always praised him. There just isn't a vocal pushback anymore.

This is starkly different than MOS, which is divisive. Not a home run like Spider-man 1. Or BvS. Which is loathed by most except a minority. There is no massive reserve of DCEU fanboys who are gonna start praising these films in 20 years if they hate it now. Please.

Now the minority that passionately defend it now will slowly wither out of existence. Don't believe me? How many people defended BvS in April 2016? How many people defend BvS now? The number has already shrunk considerably. And it will trend in that direction.

As far as history goes, we'll see. Its only been a few years. Come back in 20 and we'll talk.

I am still waiting for the critical reevaluation of Sucker Punch. I distinctly remember being told that Sucker Punch was gonna be praised in 5 years. It was gonna be the next blade runner.

It's been seven years.

 

[DOBSON10]

Sadly, I'm not joking, he'd have been at the top of the list... with D.J. Qualls, Topher Grace and Michael Cera... Because nothing says "Dangerous Villain" like those names...

 

[RomanticPenguin]

i was once a BvS defender

now I see the light and it feels kinda good

 

[EmperorCommodus]

Mob boss Joker. That was it for me.
It's one of the stupidest things from the comics, and they just ran with it. Because obviously a guy who dresses like a clown and performs pieces of grotesque criminal performance art is going to be in a club with strippers acting like a drug dealer. How can you miss the point of a character so badly?

Oh, and let's not forget Saint Harley. Who, of course, is completely absolved of all of her crimes because people find her attractive. Because it's okay to hang out with a child killer as long as you look good, right?

There is no moral centre to the films, and nothing even feels comparable to the comics thematically. It's all just been a gigantic catastrophe, and I still don't quite understand how it happened, how so many things could go wrong all at once.

 

[InfinityWar]

i was once a BvS defender

now I see the light and it feels kinda good

Not to worry - you know how many years I've defended Star Wars Prequels before I saw Red Letter Media review of them and saw the light ??

I think as a DC fan, we have the right to be more angry with the studio than Marvel fans who trash DCEU / WB.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Not to worry - you know how many years I've defended Star Wars Prequels before I saw Red Letter Media review of them and saw the light ??

I think as a DC fan, we have the right to be more angry with the studio than Marvel fans who trash DCEU / WB.

what's wrong with the prequels?

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[djsunyc]

the decision for pa kent to die in a hurricane instead of a heart attack was a major sign that they didn't know what they were doing.

changing stories is fine but to change that particular part and change it to something so very very very dumb is just mindboggling.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

the decision for pa kent to die in a hurricane instead of a heart attack was a major sign that they didn't know what they were doing.

changing stories is fine but to change that particular part and change it to something so very very very dumb is just mindboggling.

I didn't mind them changing it. I would have been fine if they didn't even kill him at all. But it was such a laughably stupid death that it was like something I'd expect to see in a Deadpool movie, not a supposedly serious film.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Clark: "why didn't dad ever leave kansas?"

Martha: "cause you let him die son even though you've saved people before with witnesses and this one was the most important"

Clark: "well no one stays good in this world and I didn't owe him a damn thing"

Martha: "you could've saved him though right? and got away with it like you did before?"

Clark: "Maybe"

*hangs up phone*

 

[Superchan]

I didn't mind them changing it. I would have been fine if they didn't even kill him at all. But it was such a laughably stupid death that it was like something I'd expect to see in a Deadpool movie, not a supposedly serious film.

Nicely said, the tornado scene is easily (for me ateast) THE worst scene in cinema history, I remember being in the theater confused on whether I should laugh or cry.

Clark: "why didn't dad ever leave kansas?"

Martha: "cause you let him die son even though you've saved people before with witnesses and this one was the most important"

Clark: "well no one stays good in this world and I didn't owe him a damn thing"

Martha: "you could've saved him though right? and got away with it like you did before?"

Clark: "Maybe"

*hangs up phone*

t: Nicely done sir.

 

[psylockolussus]

Since Man of Steel got Zack Snyder as its director.

 

[Raiden]

Clark: "why didn't dad ever leave kansas?"

Martha: "cause you let him die son even though you've saved people before with witnesses and this one was the most important"

Clark: "well no one stays good in this world and I didn't owe him a damn thing"

Martha: "you could've saved him though right? and got away with it like you did before?"

Clark: "Maybe"

*hangs up phone*

 

[Ryuzakirir]

BvS easily.

You can't just put holy trinity, TDKR, and Death of Superman in one single movie without introducing them first.

Although I don't hate MoS, that film bored me to no end. I fell asleep the first time I've seen it. Specifically when both guys just started punching each other non-stop and I had no idea who is who anymore.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is the funniest thing I have seen in a while, LOL!

 

[EmperorCommodus]

"This is Katana. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims."
That zinger right there was another big flashing sign of the kind of Scorsese-esque storytelling we'd be seeing in these movies.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

"This is Katana. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims."
That zinger right there was another big flashing sign of the kind of Scorsese-esque storytelling we'd be seeing in these movies.

Yeah, it struck me at the the time that that was a bit... clumsy.

 

[Deck Rickard]

"This is Katana. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims."
That zinger right there was another big flashing sign of the kind of Scorsese-esque storytelling we'd be seeing in these movies.

I loved the treatment that the Honest Trailer guys gave that line.