Sci-Fi Avatar: Fire and Ash

[DarkKnight88]

I mean, I can’t see Disney not wanting Avatar 4/5 at this point. With these legs, the lowest now is 1.4 billion with as high as 1.8 billion.

What Cameron decides is another matter if he’ll pass it on.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just watched the 1st movie again in preparation for number 3. The 1st movie still holds up damn well.

 

[squeekness]

Just watched the 1st movie again in preparation for number 3. The 1st movie still holds up damn well.

Especially the extended cut.

 

[Sithborg]

Sounds like the film is set to have a good hold this weekend. Not bad when so many online chose unwisely to bet against the Avatar films again.

Never bet against Jimmy C.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Especially the extended cut.

Unfortunately that's not available on 4K. But my bladder wasn't complaining last night.

I was shocked to see The Boys Laz Alonso in the cast of the original also.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[squeekness]

 

[Sawyer]

Truly.

 

[Lily Adler]

Avatar 4: The Shifting Sands

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm kind of over the franchise at this point. The story is just going in circles, and none of the bigger issues are being addressed.

 

[Zantera]

That's probably my biggest gripe with Fire and Ash. It's a shame because Way of Water was so great and then they drop the ball with this one. It started good in the first half but just became too much recycling in the second half and it felt weird to see them doing the last hour of Way of Water... AGAIN.

I'm no screenwriter but here's the theory I had before I saw the movie based on the trailers:

Spoiler

We see the volcano shot in the trailer and I figured it would play a role in the movie. Maybe the human vs na'vi conflict had resulted in Pandora being affected and maybe the new fire and ash na'vi would be sort of a neutral middle faction (hostile to both factions) and they would mainly be worried about the volcanic activity. I just figured they would go down that route of it not just being about the oceans this time but the nature on Pandora as a whole is suffering from the conflict and what the humans were doing.

OR

I thought maybe our new fire boys would be a new clan that Jake Sully and gang would need to travel to and recruit to their cause in order to get rid of the humans this time around. The neutral clan that doesn't want to get involved in the fight but they show up with Gandalf, Rohirrim style when the battle looks lost and they help our good guys win it. Hardly groundbreaking but could be a satisfying moment.

The fact that this movie didn't have its final climax in fire and volcanic territory with lava spewing felt like a big missed opportunity when they decided to just set it in the ocean place... again.

 

[Drizzle]

Spoiler

It seemed like there should have been a whole scene of Varang flying in to save him and escaping but it was left out of the final movie as a "just in case we don't get a fourth movie" ending for Quaritch. There were a few other characters who just disappeared from the movie too like David Thewlis's Na'vi character and Jemaine Clement's marine biologist.

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Truly.

The question is, which Disney cartoon character would they pair her with? Maleficent? Ursula? Gaston in fire tribe face paint?

 

[DarkKnight88]

Spoiler

It seemed like there should have been a whole scene of Varang flying in to save him and escaping but it was left out of the final movie as a "just in case we don't get a fourth movie" ending for Quaritch.

That’s exactly why lol

Cameron has promised that Avatar 4/5 are completely different than the first three, possibly with some of it set on Earth, so it’ll be interesting when all these films are complete and the actual “trilogy” (1, 2/3 and 4/5) is out there.

 

[Lily Adler]

That’s exactly why lol

Cameron has promised that Avatar 4/5 are completely different than the first three, possibly with some of it set on Earth, so it’ll be interesting when all these films are complete and the actual “trilogy” (1, 2/3 and 4/5) is out there.

Oh yeah why did they leave Earth? Wasn't it inhospitable or something?

 

[DarkKnight88]

Oh yeah why did they leave Earth? Wasn't it inhospitable or something?

Yes, which was only shown so briefly in the extended cut of the first movie.

But it looks like Cameron wants to explore a more hopeful change for Earth per Jon Landau when Way of Water was released.

The Na’vi walking around an overpopulated city on Earth would definitely be a visual change.

"There's over-population and a depletion of our natural resources that make life harder," Landau teased. "But we don't want to paint a bleak picture for where our world is going. The films are also about the idea of that we can change course."

'Avatar 4' will move the action from Pandora to Earth, reveals producer Jon Landau

After three adventures on Pandora, James Cameron's Avatar franchise will go where it's never gone before: Earth. Speaking with Empire for the magazine's March 2023 issue (now on sale), franchise producer Jon Landau revealed that Avatar 4 is moving the action from the lush jungle moon of Pandora...

www.syfy.com

 

[Drizzle]

That’s exactly why lol

Cameron has promised that Avatar 4/5 are completely different than the first three, possibly with some of it set on Earth, so it’ll be interesting when all these films are complete and the actual “trilogy” (1, 2/3 and 4/5) is out there.

I've been thinking the same thing about 4 and 5 ever since seeing Fire and Ash and feeling like it was Part 2 of The Way of Water. Cameron originally wrote it as a trilogy so it makes sense that the original second and third films were too big so he had to split them. Really 2 and 3 could function as a six hour long movie but the change in narrators is jarring.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's probably my biggest gripe with Fire and Ash. It's a shame because Way of Water was so great and then they drop the ball with this one. It started good in the first half but just became too much recycling in the second half and it felt weird to see them doing the last hour of Way of Water... AGAIN.

I'm no screenwriter but here's the theory I had before I saw the movie based on the trailers:

Spoiler

We see the volcano shot in the trailer and I figured it would play a role in the movie. Maybe the human vs na'vi conflict had resulted in Pandora being affected and maybe the new fire and ash na'vi would be sort of a neutral middle faction (hostile to both factions) and they would mainly be worried about the volcanic activity. I just figured they would go down that route of it not just being about the oceans this time but the nature on Pandora as a whole is suffering from the conflict and what the humans were doing.

OR

I thought maybe our new fire boys would be a new clan that Jake Sully and gang would need to travel to and recruit to their cause in order to get rid of the humans this time around. The neutral clan that doesn't want to get involved in the fight but they show up with Gandalf, Rohirrim style when the battle looks lost and they help our good guys win it. Hardly groundbreaking but could be a satisfying moment.

The fact that this movie didn't have its final climax in fire and volcanic territory with lava spewing felt like a big missed opportunity when they decided to just set it in the ocean place... again.

Spoiler

Even in the movie it came off like the wind traders wanted to stay neutral in the war, but it doesn't get explored much.

 

[TheVileOne]

Oh yeah why did they leave Earth? Wasn't it inhospitable or something?

Okay, but how the frell is that going to work? Remember it takes years to get from Earth to Pandora and back. Why are the Na'vi going to Earth?

Are we going to find out Gaia is real and is Eywa's sister, and the spirit of Eywa will restore Gaia? Like what is supposed to happen here?

Also, wouldn't going to Earth be a literal death sentence for the Sullys? Would they even survive the trip? Also, isn't Earth dying? How much time does Earth have left? The last two movies did nothing to address these issues.

 

[sueb1863]

Oh yeah why did they leave Earth? Wasn't it inhospitable or something?

Yeah, they cut most of it out of the first movie but it's in the deleted scenes.

This is from the Avatar Wiki:

"Due to pollution, Earth's atmosphere is covered in a haze of greenhouse gasses and had many other problems such as overpopulation, nuclear warfare, environmental terrorism, significant deforestation, world hunger, ozone depletion, resources depletion, water shortages, and overhunting of what is left of Earth's very few still living animal species are the main things that are slowly consuming what is left of the once beautiful planet. Excessive mineral mining in Africa and the deep sea also expedited the planet's natural resources.Much of the western coast of America was damaged in a tsunami event in the 2140s."

I think in the deleted scenes from the first movie, it's revealed that the only natural food source left is algae, after all of the other plant life on Earth is wiped out.

 

[Lily Adler]

Yeah, they cut most of it out of the first movie but it's in the deleted scenes.

This is from the Avatar Wiki:

"Due to pollution, Earth's atmosphere is covered in a haze of greenhouse gasses and had many other problems such as overpopulation, nuclear warfare, environmental terrorism, significant deforestation, world hunger, ozone depletion, resources depletion, water shortages, and overhunting of what is left of Earth's very few still living animal species are the main things that are slowly consuming what is left of the once beautiful planet. Excessive mineral mining in Africa and the deep sea also expedited the planet's natural resources.Much of the western coast of America was damaged in a tsunami event in the 2140s."

I think in the deleted scenes from the first movie, it's revealed that the only natural food source left is algae.

Sounds like Earth today.

 

[Drizzle]

Sounds like Earth today.

Stop making a fuss and eat your algae.

 

[squeekness]

Better than eating bugs. *shudders*

 

[Lily Adler]

Stop making a fuss and eat your algae.

 

[sueb1863]

I do wish the first movie hadn't cut out the part that showed how bad things were on Earth. It explains why Sully is so thrilled when he bites into that fruit after he gets his Na'vi body - it's probably the first thing he's ever eaten that isn't processed algae.

 

[squeekness]

I do wish the first movie hadn't cut out the part that showed how bad things were on Earth. It explains why Sully is so thrilled when he bites into that fruit after he gets his Na'vi body - it's probably the first thing he's ever eaten that isn't processed algae.

Agreed! It's why the extended cut is so much better.