Age of Ultron Avengers: Age of Ultron Fan Review Thread (Spoilers) - Part 1

The thing in that regard is that, not unlike the actual comic books, this shared universe is growing exponentially and is becoming more and more unwieldy with time. It was easy to keep track when you had only the first Iron Man movie and just saw Stark appearing in the Incredible Hulk; nowadays we have, like, 10 or so movies, a TV show, comic tie-ins... On one hand it's very cool, but on the other I can very easily see how regular viewers would be confused and/or intimidated by the sheer scope of it.

I hear you. How should Marvel fix this? The easy answer is to do stand alone films. However, I do like the idea of the shared universe, but then I am a fan and would not be considered general audience. As these films progress, will Marvel be okay with losing the general audience? My guess is not, so how do they solve this potential problem?

The DCU will have the same issue in a couple of years in their shared universe as well.
 
I hear you. How should Marvel fix this? The easy answer is to do stand alone films. However, I do like the idea of the shared universe, but then I am a fan and would not be considered general audience. As these films progress, will Marvel be okay with losing the general audience? My guess is not, so how do they solve this potential problem?

The DCU will have the same issue in a couple of years in their shared universe as well.
Honestly? I don't know how to fix it.

To be frank, I don't think that it is such a huge problem either. Keeping track of all the details in the worldbuilding is something for people like us... The Regular Joe goes to these movies to see Iron Man blowing things up, to laugh as the Hulk causes mayhem and to enjoy watching Scarlett Johansson (the Regular Jane probably wants to see Thor shirtless or is there simply for her boyfriend's sake). Those viewers don't really care about the inner workings of the politics of S.H.I.E.L.D or the composition of the Infinity Stones or whatever. As long as each film has a relatively self-sustained overall plot, it's not a problem if a detail or two fly over most heads. So I would largely leave it as it is, you just have to make sure that every film can be understood without the previous ones. By that I don't mean stand-alone flicks, just self-sufficient plots in a shared world.
 
Way too much content of this movie was left on the cutting room floor, and it was obvious. They should have either left more in or split the movie into two parts.

Absolutely agree with you there.

If only Laura 'Look I'm pregnant and in the kitchen' Barton and her syrupy kids had stayed on the cutting room floor as well.
 
Honestly? I don't know how to fix it.

To be frank, I don't think that it is such a huge problem either. Keeping track of all the details in the worldbuilding is something for people like us... The Regular Joe goes to these movies to see Iron Man blowing things up, to laugh as the Hulk causes mayhem and to enjoy watching Scarlett Johansson (the Regular Jane probably wants to see Thor shirtless or is there simply for her boyfriend's sake). Those viewers don't really care about the inner workings of the politics of S.H.I.E.L.D or the composition of the Infinity Stones or whatever. As long as each film has a relatively self-sustained overall plot, it's not a problem if a detail or two fly over most heads. So I would largely leave it as it is, you just have to make sure that every film can be understood without the previous ones. By that I don't mean stand-alone flicks, just self-sufficient plots in a shared world.

I think the "fix" is simply to keep making high quality movies, and slowly acclimate the audience to the idea that stuff happens beyond the bounds of any single movie. Eventually, the audience reaction to a minor plot or world point that isn't fully explained will be "Huh, I wonder which movie that is in?" and they'll just continue watching.
 
Okay THAT I can see, but he got the rest of the story of the film right?

I would say she got most of the movie (she did say the story moved quickly at times). Based on our discussion afterwards I think some of the continuity between the movies she had seen may have been to subtle:

* She had seen IM3 and asked why Tony appeared in his suit in the opening scene after blowing up his suits at the end of that movie.
* She asked what Thor had been up to since TDW and I must admit I missed any specific reference to this.
* She felt that the infinity stones were much better explained in GOTG and AoU had a more complicated approach.
* Anything linked to TWS was completely baffling!

Fans will understand these more, so maybe a less subtle approach is needed for the GA? I do think the MCU is an increasingly complex collaboration of stories and I want to see clearer links between the movies.
 
MCU is like a tv show where stories of particular episodes are interconnected. It's problem of GA that they don't know episodes which are prior to the episode they went to see to the cinema.

AoU is 11th film, they cannot explain what happened in each of 10 films before. And two films per year are not that much, IMO.
 
Instead of wasting my time typing I may as well just give you my video review I made, beware there are spoilers, there is a non spoiler review on my channel though!
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MCU is like a tv show where stories of particular episodes are interconnected. It's problem of GA that they don't know episodes which are prior to the episode they went to see to the cinema.

AoU is 11th film, they cannot explain what happened in each of 10 films before. And two films per year are not that much, IMO.

I am torn on this as I do think responsibility lies with both the studio and audience. The studio needs to keep to a coherent timeline and the audience does need to try to stay caught up.
I have heard grumbling about how the next Captain America will be like another Avengers movie. I say, why not? At the end of AOU Cap is the team leader so he has that responsibility and solo film will have to reflect that. In the comics it was a given to have a character in two to three books no problem. I don't think that will work in the cinematic universe because of the need for a coherent timeline. After AOU we pretty much know what most of the characters are up to or what they should be doing when we next see them. With some exceptions.
 
I think audiences don't want to feel responsible for their entertainment. It shouldn't have to feel like work in order to enjoy a movie. And if someone dislikes any of the solo characters having to watch their movies feels like a chore. The problem with the MCU that I see most prevalent in AoU is that these movies are mindless popcorn flicks forced to fit in an ever increasingly complicated and convoluted network of movies.
 
This is not a great movie and it isn't as good as the first one. It was entertaining and the new characters in the movie worked the best. I think future hype might actually be a problem for Marvel. I went into this movie with Civil War, Wakanda, and Thanos on my mind, which I think really affected my engagement with Ultron. It's a good enough movie to keep the franchise going but Marvel needs to aim higher than this.

The Great:
- The vision. Awesome design, acting, cape, everything.
- The twins in the last act of the movie.
- Scarlet Witch's final costume (such a tease!)

The Good:
- The jokes about Thor's hammer and the "language" jokes. There were a lot of jokes in this movie but for the most part I didn't mind them.
- Ultron's voice and personality.
- Ultron's plan of lifting the city and dropping it was unique.
- Seeing War Machine in action again.
- The final shot of the new Avengers team. Interesting line-up!

The Bad:
- The twins' motivation was very unclear. The twins hating Stark for his weapons makes sense, but why help Ultron and stir up the Hulk so more innocents accidentally get killed?
- Ultron's motivations. I have no idea why he was doing what he was doing. There were a lot of missed opportunities for "family drama" with Stark.
- Tony seemed unaffected by the events he put into motion. If Iron Man isn't going to have another solo movie why not make his arcs in Avengers more interesting. They could have easily done that here.
- There was too much action. The movie looked like a cartoon or a video game at times.
- Thor was basically comic relief. His dream sequence was the least interesting and he got very little development. If I was a hardcore Thor fan I think I'd be annoyed with this movie.

The Terrible:
- Hawkeye's family.
- Brutasha. This could have been alright, but at best it resorted to old cliches and at worst it was offensive. Neither option should be associated with an Avengers movie.

B-
I agree tbh

I also like Ultron's personality, but I wanted to see Ultron kick the Avenger's asses just by himself and we didn't get that
 
I was very underwhelmed by the movie to be honest
was so looking forward to Ultron and what I got was a villain cracking jokes
and with no presence

one huge complaint I got with Marvel is the villains don't get unique themes

ASM2 was complete horse manure but they gave electro and Goblin unique
cool themes

I wish they would have done that here

My Pros was Vision, Cap and SW
hope they don't drop the ball with Thanos cause MCU weakest part are the Villains
 
I feel that Ultron would have had a stronger presence if the movie didn't have a ton of other things to jam into it. I think there should have been more scenes with Ultron.

Quite honestly? I really liked Ultron as a villain. I liked his personality (because it made sense, considering on who his creator was). It was a lot more interesting to watch instead of a villain who is just evil ... Because he's evil (like Malekith in Thor: The Dark World). I just wish there had been MORE of Ultron in the film. That's my only complaint with the movie in terms of its main villain.

There's seriously nothing that I hated about this movie (the biggest "what?" moment I had was Black Widow getting captured, which really isn't a big deal). The problem with the film as a whole, though, is that it was a very crowded film, and I don't think it was nearly as seamless as the first Avengers flick. That's why I can't call the movie "great." It's good, and I actually enjoyed the film even more the second time I saw it (since I caught a lot of things I missed on my first viewing; everything moves FAST in this flick).
 
I feel that Ultron would have had a stronger presence if the movie didn't have a ton of other things to jam into it. I think there should have been more scenes with Ultron.

Quite honestly? I really liked Ultron as a villain. I liked his personality (because it made sense, considering on who his creator was). It was a lot more interesting to watch instead of a villain who is just evil ... Because he's evil (like Malekith in Thor: The Dark World). I just wish there had been MORE of Ultron in the film. That's my only complaint with the movie in terms of its main villain.

There's seriously nothing that I hated about this movie (the biggest "what?" moment I had was Black Widow getting captured, which really isn't a big deal). The problem with the film as a whole, though, is that it was a very crowded film, and I don't think it was nearly as seamless as the first Avengers flick. That's why I can't call the movie "great." It's good, and I actually enjoyed the film even more the second time I saw it (since I caught a lot of things I missed on my first viewing; everything moves FAST in this flick).

Yeah. Let's talk about how she possibly fared being carried -- flown (I assume) by Ultron from Korea to Sokovia. Good thing it was almost as blink-and-you-miss it plot point.
 
I would say she got most of the movie (she did say the story moved quickly at times). Based on our discussion afterwards I think some of the continuity between the movies she had seen may have been to subtle:

* She had seen IM3 and asked why Tony appeared in his suit in the opening scene after blowing up his suits at the end of that movie.
* She asked what Thor had been up to since TDW and I must admit I missed any specific reference to this.
* She felt that the infinity stones were much better explained in GOTG and AoU had a more complicated approach.
* Anything linked to TWS was completely baffling!

Fans will understand these more, so maybe a less subtle approach is needed for the GA? I do think the MCU is an increasingly complex collaboration of stories and I want to see clearer links between the movies.
Well with Tony, he had blown up the California house and armor but sill had the Avenger Tower and Lab, basically he had a coast change.
Thor, I'm not even sure and I'm a huge Thor fan, there's really nothing yet that covers that time period between the two films.
The Infinity stones were explained by a being older than Thor in GotG, and you have to admit he's not one to explain that sort of thing well. lol
 
Honestly? I don't know how to fix it.

To be frank, I don't think that it is such a huge problem either. Keeping track of all the details in the worldbuilding is something for people like us... The Regular Joe goes to these movies to see Iron Man blowing things up, to laugh as the Hulk causes mayhem and to enjoy watching Scarlett Johansson (the Regular Jane probably wants to see Thor shirtless or is there simply for her boyfriend's sake). Those viewers don't really care about the inner workings of the politics of S.H.I.E.L.D or the composition of the Infinity Stones or whatever. As long as each film has a relatively self-sustained overall plot, it's not a problem if a detail or two fly over most heads. So I would largely leave it as it is, you just have to make sure that every film can be understood without the previous ones. By that I don't mean stand-alone flicks, just self-sufficient plots in a shared world.
That's not sexist at all......:whatever:
 
Well with Tony, he had blown up the California house and armor but sill had the Avenger Tower and Lab, basically he had a coast change.
Thor, I'm not even sure and I'm a huge Thor fan, there's really nothing yet that covers that time period between the two films.
The Infinity stones were explained by a being older than Thor in GotG, and you have to admit he's not one to explain that sort of thing well. lol

I don't know about you, but after a nice long bath, I feel like I know everything, too. :funny:
 
I was very underwhelmed by the movie to be honest
was so looking forward to Ultron and what I got was a villain cracking jokes
and with no presence


one huge complaint I got with Marvel is the villains don't get unique themes

ASM2 was complete horse manure but they gave electro and Goblin unique
cool themes

I wish they would have done that here

My Pros was Vision, Cap and SW
hope they don't drop the ball with Thanos cause MCU weakest part are the Villains

A large amount of people are saying this and I agree with most of it. It felt campy and less angst-filled. I'm not sure if they were going for that tone or something else.
 
Not any more sexist than how the (general) male audience is interested mainly by Scarlett Johansson's appearance than her character or acting.

You took it to the extreme. I agree that the general audience will not be concerning themselves with every detail like people who post on here but I imagine plenty of male and female moviegoers go to the films just to enjoy the escapism and spectacle as opposed to seeing a hot actor.

I mean in the age of the internet there is no need to fork out for two expensive tickets for a quick shot of Hemsworth's chest or a fleeting glimpse of Scarlett's ass in the widow suit.
 
Really wish Ultron would have been given more screen time. Overall I enjoyed it. Though, I did enjoy the first film more. Loved that Hawkeye got more screen time. Jeremy Renner kills it as Hawkeye.
 
Halo: (this is my review of Avengers: Age of Ultron)

The story of this new Avengers starts out with the Avengers on the hunting mission with dealing with the last remnants of “HYDRA”

That eventually takes them to a remote castle in Eastern Europe where HYDRA doctor Baron Von Stroker (a long time Capt America rival) has been genetically experimenting on a unique pair of unknown twin siblings volunteers, Wanda aka "Scarlet Witch" (Elizabeth Olsen) …and Pietro Maximoff "aka Quicksilver" (Aaron Taylor-Johnson of the Kickass film series). Wanda can project telekintetic energy as well as tap into people's minds while her brother Quicksilver can run superhumanly fast.(much of their origin has been altered
in favor of this film)

Although 'this' Quicksilver version doesn't come anywhere close to the more memorable, prankish Quicksilver from Xmen: Days of Future Past.(and why didn’t they just use that particular Quicksilver?)

Somehow the pair compile a grudge against the Avengers, particularly industrialist genious Tony Stark/Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.). Stark takes a piece of alien technology (Loki’s Asgardian scepter staff) and plugs it into his home system to build a super fleet of automated robots to patrol the world.

In no time, the Artificial Intelligence has taken form in the shape of an insane robot named Ultron (James Spader) whose mission is to save the planet …by eliminating mankind.

Ultron meets the Maximoff twins and influences their hatred towards Stark/Avengers to help builds an army of robotic soldiers.

And thus the “ Avengers Assemble “ …….with Captain America (Chris Evans), ….Thor (Chris Hemsworth), …Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner), Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), and Bruce "The Hulk" Banner (Mark Ruffalo), must stop Ultron while not destroying much of the world themselves with their collateral damage.

-Directed by Joss Wheldon who did the first Avengers blockbuster, this newer version tends to feature very much of the original one,
There were a lto of things that I really liked about Avengers Age of Ultron, but I also thought it has some flaws that I did not like.
For one, I had issues in terms of the plot and the pace.

For the better part of the film , -The CGI special effects and the fighting choregraphy were just brilliantly entertaining and delightful and for the most part distracted soem of the flaws of the film. , ..sometimes the camera angles and close ups were ideal and terrific and then there were sometimes in a few scenes where the camera action was actually too fast where it seem like big ball of rolling colors, but as with The 1st Avengers that gave us epic superhero vs superhero battles (with Thor vs Capt/Iron Man and Hulk vs Thor) …….
This 2nd version also features an unique Avenger vs Avenger match-up battle that was just sweet as heck to see…It had me wondering who was going to win, and HOW he was going to somehow win over the other.
Capt America’s vibranium-adamandium shield now acts a boomerang enacting with his magnetic gloves.

-It also deliver several sets of humor and you know it’s led by Robert downey, but gets around to Thor (and his uru hammer Mjolnir) Capt America

I- did like that the appearance of agents of S.H.I.E.L.D ( giant hoover craft) and Sgt. Nick Fury (Samuel Jackson) joining the fray ..as well as War machine (Don Cheadle) , only a very quick shot of the Falcon (Anthony Mackie) .. and of course we see Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver get more into the action when it was needed most at the end - en route to an memorable ending.

-As It was told that Ultron programming overpowered Stark’s personal programming of J.A.R.V.I.S ,… which allowed Ultron to evolve and grow powerful enough to get into the internet - and possibly even the most sophisticated software and programmed – military nuclear codes, …. And to be honest I was expecting Ultron to corrupt Stark’s IM armor,… and it would have been exciting to see Ultron become much like the Terminator’s SKY-NET with nd the Avengers not only have to battle IM’s armors , but circuitry controlled tanks, jets submarines,…but we didn’t get that
More less I felt like it was like watching the Avengers vs Wil Smith’s
“ I-Robots “ .

-Another issue with the plot, I didn’t get nor understand the hovering controlled “ Island” that threatens ALL global life.

-I didn’t feel much was explanatory enough in Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver hatred and revenge for Tony Stark.

-I wanted to see more of ‘the Vision’ (which I liked his look) and wanted to see him much more in display of the use of his powers but It was interesting to see him make his appearance and join the plight.

-With inconsistent pace, Avengers: Age of Ultron really comes running out of the blocks with a bang – it takes us right to the Avengers battle with Hydra, the origin and emergence of Ultron introduction of Von Strucker (who only makes a very brief cameo)… the flow is going well but then there became some periods of the movie when there was dragging dialogue and rambling that slowed down the pace and flow of the film.

-I felt Weldon tried to use the Bruce Banner/Natahsa-Black Widow relationship as a “filler” something to create/use to fill in the time between the more interesting and action Avengers epics. Much was used from a short clips of Natasha’s deeply buried past and memories and self-guilt, but it wasn’t explanatory enough for me to be interested enough.
If anything, I thought it would be best to use Banner’s anguish and past memories of his restless battle to deal with his alter ego the Incredible Hulk and his obsession to cure himself of the brutal mindless creature - and Natasha’s effort, empathy and affectionate could help connect with him on that basis. In short, I got nothing out of the Banner/Natasha episode.

-Ditto with Hawkeye’s episode ( Jeremy Renner) I thought just as much, his connection with his wife and family I thought was just a “ boring-bland” filler. I didn’t connect with it and thought it was one of those moments where it slowed the pace and appeal of the film.

I initially thought it was interesting to feature yet another Avengers enemy
(“Klaw” )...,,but introduced in this film Professor Ulysses Klaw who gets disabled (without much aguish cry of agony for someone losing his limb)

At first I was in awe with Ultron, it’s look and spookiness, and how he entered and came onto the scene in appearance and confrontation Of the Avengers, and how he continued to keep trying to find, duplicate and perfect one previous robotic form , after another. But I thought they “ dialogued “ him down way too much, and tried to force a sense of humor into him that eventually I got a bit tire of him babbling, ranting and riddling he actually started to become somewhat annoying in this fashion instead of the cold, emotionless, enigmatic robotic being.

another issue with the plot, I didn’t get nor understand the hovering controlled Island that threatens ALL global life.
And during this film, I cannot help but feel like I have seen a few of these elements before, from the ‘dead spots of “fillers and the countless army platoon that blitzed the Avengers

I didn’t feel much was explanatory enough in Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver hatred and revenge for Tony Stark. Al laws twisted and re-directed once “ Sure ‘Wanda” and Pietro” found out about Ultron, but how does Stark himself get off from their hatred ?

I wanted to see more of the Vision and the display of how he uses his powers but It was interesting to see him make his appearance and join the plight.

a theater time i urge those to stay seated for a scene after the ending credits – which features the "next" Avengers arch enemy in the next Avengers movie (Avengers: Infinity Wars in 2017) .

On a scale of 1 to 10, I’d give Avengers Age of Ultron a 7.5
 
I think audiences don't want to feel responsible for their entertainment. It shouldn't have to feel like work in order to enjoy a movie. And if someone dislikes any of the solo characters having to watch their movies feels like a chore. The problem with the MCU that I see most prevalent in AoU is that these movies are mindless popcorn flicks forced to fit in an ever increasingly complicated and convoluted network of movies.

I think you've caught onto something (though I don't agree with you 100% exactly, but I digress):

There's a reason why the first Avengers movie was much better received than Age of Ultron. It's because anyone can watch the first Avengers movie and mostly still get what's going on (and if you need to watch the Phase 1 movies, then hey, there aren't many you need to watch prior to the first Avengers film). AoU is so jam-packed with so many things that the movie moves really fast (too fast sometimes, actually). My first impression of AoU was that I enjoyed it, but I felt sorry for the non-comic book fans, because they'll be lost (and judging by my social circle, I find that to definitely be the case for my friends who don't read comics).

Compare AoU to something like Guardians of the Galaxy: Anyone can watch Guardians without having seen the other Marvel films and still understand everything that's going on. And, to me, it sounds like James Gunn really wants to keep his movies separate to some extent so that they can stand on their own better, and I understand why he wants to do that.

I guess my biggest knock on AoU is that it doesn't overall hold up as a standalone film; not nearly as much as the first Avengers movie. I still admire Marvel Studios and what they're trying to do, though. They're taking risks with their universe-building. I still like AoU just fine, but I think the movie spent too much time universe-building to the point where the movie's main plot doesn't feel so prominent.
 
Halo:

-Another issue with the plot, I didn’t get nor understand the hovering controlled “ Island” that threatens ALL global life.
Think of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. The idea was to lift the city high enough into the atmosphere and then plummet it back down. On theory an impact with an object of this size can trigger a global extinction event. It's still a stupid plan as far as supervillain plans go, though.

-I didn’t feel much was explanatory enough in Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver hatred and revenge for Tony Stark.
Their country was bombed with weapons that Stark made and sold (way before he became Iron Man, back when he was still kind of a *****e). They nearly died because of it. I can't recall with certainty but I think there was something about a bomb falling into the rubble of their apartment where they were hiding, but was faulty and didn't explode, and they, pinned by the rubble, were staring at it for days, waiting for it to explode any moment. Presumably the Stark Industries logo was visible on it or something. To be honest, I can imagine how the trauma would make them hate Tony with a zeal, even if blaming him, and him alone, for what happened is kind of stupid - it's not like he personally waged war on their country, he just supplied the weapons.
 
I finally rewatched the film, and I liked it a lot better this time. I thought Ultron was done very well, and really enjoyed his journey.
 

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