Age of Ultron Avengers: Age of Ultron Fan Review Thread (Spoilers) - Part 1

[RedRose]

7/10

An entertaining let-down. Setting aside the flack Whedon got, the script is a mess and it felt like he was trying to please everyone (himself, the actors, Feige). I applaud Whedon for trying something different, even though he re-uses one of the best scenes in the first pic as an in media res opening for the second. It just doesn't work as well.

And the thing is, while it feels like a follow-up to the first Avengers movie -- it doesn't feel like a proper follow-up to the movies leading up to it. The events in CA:TWS are referenced, but Steve Rogers isn't the person he was in that film. And the subplots, including the forced pairing between Natasha and Bruce and Hawkeye's family, doesn't feel true to the characters.

I'm thinking maybe Whedon, Feige, and the Marvel brain trust should've had several meetings while the story was being outlined. That way they could've agreed on what could stay and what could go before writing started in earnest, instead of clashing in the editing room. It would feel more organic and less forced.
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Yes yes, all of this.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I really liked the beginning of the movie up until Ultron leaves Avengers tower and I really liked the last act after Vision shows up. But the second act was a mess.

 

[RedRose]

So my review is I thought this movie was a fun film. But I also thought it the worst out of all the Marvel movies.

It felt like many steps backwards. It felt cartoonish. The characters weren't developed, or weren't developed well. There were so many interesting things that were touched upon and never expanded upon.

I think this movie was (obviously) a huge undertaking. But I kind of feel like its similar to writing this huge essay for a class and you are working hard on it and uh-oh its the due date, ok time to throw everything together and just turn in what you have and cross your fingers it all works out.

It just wasn't as sophisticated as I was hoping. I want a serious movie with comedic moments, not a comedic movie with serious moments. I know that's just a personal preference, but...yeah.

I think a part of the problem was I was fooled by even the trailers...like the scene where Cap tries to save the falling car and fails. I thought that was HUGE. And then in the movie, Thor just saves the day from below. Again, not that that is WRONG, but...yeah. Thought it was going to be more serious and compelling than what we got.

Bruce/Natasha was a huge misstep. I think nothing about Natasha should be written without consulting Scarlett b/c I think she understands this character so well. At least it is over and hopefully will never see the light of day again.

Things I loved? I complained over too much humor...but a lot of it WAS pretty funny. I loved Thor in this. I loved Wanda. I loved Vision.

I def need to re-watch this film but...I kinda don't want to. But I will.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

This is a really good review. I am also disappointed. There was a lot to like..even love in this movie. But it was a big episode of the Avengers Assemble cartoon. I had thought the movies were becoming more sophisticated (Cap 2 def upped the ante) and this felt like many many steps back.

Thank you. It really is comforting to know that I'm not that alone on my thoughts of this film and of the mcu in general. I agree with what you said too - that's a good way of putting it too (what I bolded).

It's interesting that you mentioned cap2 upped the ante for tone and sophistication. I hadn't thought about that before and now that you mentioned it, I'd definitely say av2 took several steps back from there as well.

 

[X Knight]

Well, just got back from it. I enjoyed it!

Scarlet Witch was the highlight for me.

 

[PunyGod]

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[XtremelyBaneful]

OMG dude what makes you think you are alone in your opinions? Get over yourself.

OMG, leave me alone.

 

[Keehar]

OMG dude what makes you think you are alone in your opinions? Get over yourself.

PunyGod is trollin'.

 

[Vincanws]

I think it's disingenuous to Whedon and co for anyone to suggest there is no sophistication in 'Age of Ultron' but I would equally argue any day that words like, "spectacle", "fun", "humorous" are applicable and important first and foremost in these movies.

People wanting sophistication..maybe you should watch the last Terry Gilliam movie to get off on that. You'll be scratching your collective heads for the rest of the decade and beyond, if that's your bag. People wanting a good time at the movies however ...

 

[marvellover]

Hulk, he may as well not have been in the final battle.

The movie lack a proper Hulk-Ultron fight

 

[PunyGod]

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[XtremelyBaneful]

I think it's disingenuous to Whedon and co for anyone to suggest there is no sophistication in 'Age of Ultron' but I would equally argue any day that words like, "spectacle", "fun", "humorous" are applicable and important first and foremost in these movies.

People wanting sophistication..maybe you should watch the last Terry Gilliam movie to get off on that. You'll be scratching your collective heads for the rest of the decade and beyond, if that's your bag. People wanting a good time at the movies however ...

he wasn't saying there's no sophistication but that he expected more. and I feel the same way. cap2 raised the bar with it but av2 did not quite hold it up to par.

 

[The Shape]

I really liked the beginning of the movie up until Ultron leaves Avengers tower and I really liked the last act after Vision shows up. But the second act was a mess.

Agreed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah,that finish was an incredibly lame ending to a good action scene.


In my review as well,I seemed to point out most of the negatives despite giving the film 4.5. I think the film is obviously flawed, but ultimately the fun and spectacle wins me over. And I think most people will agree with that. I think some obviously want to find the chinks in the Marvel armor and want to belabor the films weaknesses,but the film does have them.

Definitely, I was liking the fight up until then. I did enjoy the movie but the negatives just seem to pop out more than the positives for me. It's happened with a few MCU movies were I have really enjoyed them while watching them, but then I think about it afterwards and the flaws just stick out hugely

The movie lack a proper Hulk-Ultron fight

A good Ultron vs Hulk fight would have made up for the awful ending we got to the HB fight.

 

[Mjölnir]

Actually Hulk wasn't calming down, he very clearly got visibly angry again when he saw the cops with their guns approaching, then the punch came. And exactly, a huge building collapsing on him wasn't enough to knock out, but a single punch when he was getting angry again was? That was just crap.

And I found IM overly and horribly dominant In this movie. He gets his vision before anyone else after he is the first the break into the castle once he himself takes down its defences. Makes Ultron and convinces Banner to help him. Is the only one to walk out of the first Ultron fight unscathed and actually beats him. Then proceeds to stop the Hulk, something Thor was unable to do in the first movie or Abomination was able to do in TIH. He figures out where Ultron is each time, then also comes up with the plan to stop Ultron and manages to instigate it. He sets up the academy at the end and walks away from all the crap he caused totally unscathed and without even a bad comment against him at the end of the movie. I am sure I am missing stuff as well but the IM love in just got to ridiculous proportions for me. It made the character annoying and I have never felt that before.

Oh and Baneful no problem your review was great and I have already written mine thanks.

You don't seem to accept the concept of accumulating damage for some weird reason. Not sure what else to say about it though. As for calming down he clearly has a very different state of mind when he watches the destruction. He doesn't have time to get that angry at the police before he's knocked out.

Hulk took a lot more damage in this fight than he did in the other two you mention, and at least Thor did never go all out on Hulk like that (which would have risked destroying the Helicarrier). As for all your terrible, horrible, ridiculous, whatever problems I guess I'll just say that we disagree.

 

[Mjölnir]

fair enough. for the record as far as ultron's portrayal goes, i think james spader was awesome. everything in my review (despite it being negative) wasn't negative. I said i liked that they gave hawkeye more focus. and I dug the new characters. particularly quicksilver, I think his scenes may've been the best in the movie, which is ironic because that's what people say about quicksilver in dofp

i'd still disagree about them having the best chemistry as a team though. mostly cap's and stark's chemistry was great but everyone else's was alright this time around imo. but then again it's you, and it's me. you like/loved the movie, that's cool

Yeah, not everything was negative but pretty close to it so I'd call it a real thrashing. If I wrote a review with that good/bad ratio it would mean that almost nothing in the movie was good at all and probably the worst thing I've seen in years.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This movie is a good fun sequel to a good fun movie.
And a very good follow up to one of the greatest MCU movies; Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Easily 8.5/10.

I saw someone say they should have recreated the moment that is my namesake but have Ultron just shrug it off and say you'll have to do better than that.

Would have been worth a chuckle at least.

What we got deserves more of a chuckle.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You don't seem to accept the concept of accumulating damage for some weird reason. Not sure what else to say about it though. As for calming down he clearly has a very different state of mind when he watches the destruction. He doesn't have time to get that angry at the police before he's knocked out.

Hulk took a lot more damage in this fight than he did in the other two you mention, and at least Thor did never go all out on Hulk like that (which would have risked destroying the Helicarrier). As for all your terrible, horrible, ridiculous, whatever problems I guess I'll just say that we disagree.

Well that's what was even more stupid about the way it ended, Hulk takes all that damage during the fight, and then is knocked out by one punch at the end? Despite him getting angry at the time. It was just a stupid way to end the fight so that Iron Man could save face and show he is the best hero. As others have suggested, Hulk just reverting back to Banner after seeing the destruction would have been much better, as still neither character would have won the fight, and it would have showed that Hulk is so embarrassed by the destruction he had caused that he reverted back to .banner despite hating him. It would have been character progression and a satisfying way to end the fight. Much better than the stupid way it ended in the movie.

It would have been a WTF moment, but I actually would have preferred Thor flying In from no where to knock hulk out instead of how it ended in the movie. But no, can't not show Iron Man/Stark as the master now can we.

 

[The Shape]

I actually thought they went way overboard with the humor this time, especially during the finale. I get that the humor and one-liners are a staple of these movies, and there were plenty of jokes I liked and laughed at. It was just a little too much, though.

People complain that a movie like Man of Steel is humorless, but then AOU was like the antithesis of that to the extreme. The onslaught of jokes during the finale (there is literally a joke or one-liner in every other character moment) come from every which way, and it does somewhat lessen the threat level as if the heroes aren't taking this seriously. They even had Hawkeye talking to himself, joking about how he could shoot an arrow at Quicksilver and no one would know. A little silly, for my tastes.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well that's what was even more stupid about the way it ended, Hulk takes all that damage during the fight, and then is knocked out by one punch at the end? Despite him getting angry at the time. It was just a stupid way to end the fight so that Iron Man could save face and show he is the best hero. As others have suggested, Hulk just reverting back to Banner after seeing the destruction would have been much better, as still neither character would have won the fight, and it would have showed that Hulk is so embarrassed by the destruction he had caused that he reverted back to .banner despite hating him. It would have been character progression and a satisfying way to end the fight. Much better than the stupid way it ended in the movie.

It would have been a WTF moment, but I actually would have preferred Thor flying In from no where to knock hulk out instead of how it ended in the movie. But no, can't not show Iron Man/Stark as the master now can we.

^good point. hulk seeing the guns pointed at him is what was about to set him off again so it would've been better if hulkbuster just dropped in front of them saying hold your fire and hulk became human again.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^good point. hulk seeing the guns pointed at him is what was about to set him off again so it would've been better if hulkbuster just dropped in front of them saying hold your fire and hulk became human again.

Yep would have been a much better ending as Hulk would have realised IM as friend rather than foe once the hex wore off.

 

[Mjölnir]

Well that's what was even more stupid about the way it ended, Hulk takes all that damage during the fight, and then is knocked out by one punch at the end? Despite him getting angry at the time. It was just a stupid way to end the fight so that Iron Man could save face and show he is the best hero. As others have suggested, Hulk just reverting back to Banner after seeing the destruction would have been much better, as still neither character would have won the fight, and it would have showed that Hulk is so embarrassed by the destruction he had caused that he reverted back to .banner despite hating him. It would have been character progression and a satisfying way to end the fight. Much better than the stupid way it ended in the movie.

It would have been a WTF moment, but I actually would have preferred Thor flying In from no where to knock hulk out instead of how it ended in the movie. But no, can't not show Iron Man/Stark as the master now can we.

Because of what I already said, accumulated damage and having calmed down. He was in full rage before and then looked to be on the verge of even shifting back. The reaction to the cops wouldn't be nearly enough to call him raging, so definitely in a weaker state for two reasons.

I was surprised that there was a winner in the fight though as Marvel wanted draws in the other fights. I would have enjoyed seeing him come to his senses as well.

 

[hafizbat]

I really liked the beginning of the movie up until Ultron leaves Avengers tower and I really liked the last act after Vision shows up. But the second act was a mess.

I agree, those parts are excellent. The middle act was a mixed bag, the entire railyard ship sequence up until Hulk gets knocked out was great, but the dreams/visions, farmhouse, and cave scenes all drag the movie down.

Cut or modify those parts and give that time to develop Ultron and I think the movie would have been definitively better than The Avengers. I'd can the romance between Hulk and BW too. Good idea, but the execution was lacking and forced, and further bogged down the movie. Ironically, those are the most Whedon parts of the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Because of what I already said, accumulated damage and having calmed down. He was in full rage before and then looked to be on the verge of even shifting back. The reaction to the cops wouldn't be nearly enough to call him raging, so definitely in a weaker state for two reasons.

I was surprised that there was a winner in the fight though as Marvel wanted draws in the other fights. I would have enjoyed seeing him come to his senses as well.

But he can't have been that calm otherwise he would have started reverting back to Banner, and then we see him get visibly angry before the knockout punch came. It was just a stupid way to end the fight, let's face it. Him reverting back would have beenuch, much better. I really liked the fight until that point.

 

[Mjölnir]

But he can't have been that calm otherwise he would have started reverting back to Banner, and then we see him get visibly angry before the knockout punch came. It was just a stupid way to end the fight, let's face it. Him reverting back would have beenuch, much better. I really liked the fight until that point.

He doesn't revert back as soon as he's calm. The ending of the movie shows that.

And you're going on quite a lot as if your opinion is "right". There's no "let's face it", it's just your opinion that you're repeating over and over.