Batman: Arkham Knight - Part 2

[LordMortis315]

Rā's al Ghūl is pretty much Batman's Moriarty.

 

[Shikamaru]

Rā's al Ghūl is pretty much Batman's Moriarty.

Ra's is an extreme version of Batman. An "end justifies the means" archetype. Moriarty is a criminal in the traditional evil sense.

 

[zenith16]

So far, the Arkham Knight comes off as another attempt at giving Batman a Moriarty. That is, a dark mirror who is both a physical and mental equal to him. DC's been trying it for decades now. They tried it with Bane, Hush, Prometheus, Deathstroke, Owlman in the New 52, etc.

Every one , but death Stroke counts he was night wings main foe prior to the new 52. currently he's just running around with the new 52 universe just messing around with every one . and I still don't think bat man views him as even near the others with in the current universe.

 

[TheVileOne]

There are a lot of villains that are like analogs to Batman.

If you think about it, Penguin in some ways is. Prometheus. Even Black Mask.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

List of the incredibly tired trope of the Anti-Batman -

- Joker
- Wrath
- Bane
- Two-Face
- Prometheus
- Court of Owls/Talon
- Owlman
- Killer Moth (who is the best character ever and I will fight anyone who says otherwise)
- Dr. Hurt (who is a terrible hackneyed cliche spouting moron)
- Black Mask
- Hush

It is a concept waaay overplayed. However, Arkham Knight may turn out to be interesting. But it is certainly played out.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

- Dr. Hurt (who is a terrible hackneyed cliche spouting moron)

I will never understand people that took Hurt seriously as a villain. He was pretty much a complete parody of the type of villains like Hush and nu52 Owlman (only written before him) with the extraneous ties to Bruce Wayne, the secret organizations and massive schemes, etc. He slipped on Joker's banana for pete's sake!

It's just like people that hate on Lobo because he was too dark, gritty, and X-TREEEM!!!!!, while fawning over Wolverine at the same time.

 

[jonathancrane]

Hurt was fine.

I can see why people would not like him, but, he is one of my favorite Bat-villains. Morrison's run was the equivalent of David Lynch directing an episode of Batman '66. Again, I can see why people would not like it, but, it does possess some vitality
considering Snyder modeled/lifted RIP for his Owls storyline and "The Clown at Midnight" for "Death of the Family."

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Hurt was fine.

I can see why people would not like him, but, he is one of my favorite Bat-villains. Morrison's run was the equivalent of David Lynch directing an episode of Batman '66. Again, I can see why people would not like it, but, it does possess some vitality
considering Snyder modeled/lifted RIP for his Owls storyline and "The Clown at Midnight" for "Death of the Family."

I never meant to say he was a bad one. But I've always seen him as Morrison's parody of the villain created solely to be "Batman's ultimate enemy yet". A lot of his elements, like the distant relation to the Waynes or the Satanic allusions, seemed to me to be a part of that.

 

[jonathancrane]

I never meant to say he was a bad one. But I've always seen him as Morrison's parody of the villain created solely to be "Batman's ultimate enemy yet". A lot of his elements, like the distant relation to the Waynes or the Satanic allusions, seemed to me to be a part of that.

Gotcha.

 

[Rocketman]

I don't really see the issue of trying to create many villains who are "parallel opposites" to a main hero. Isn't that kind of the point? Villains who mirror the hero, yet are nothing like them? A paradoxical relationship? That just seems like no-brainer storytelling to me. That's Superman and Lex Luthor.

To me, it always felt like:

Joker = Batman's main villain psychologically
Bane = Batman's main villain physically
Riddler = Batman's main villain mentally
Two-Face = Batman's main villain emotionally
Ra's Al Ghul = Bruce Wayne's main villain overall

Every other villain is sort of the "next level down" of everyone above.

Scarecrow = Batman's second main villain psychologically
Deathstroke = Batman's second main villain physically
Penguin = Batman's second main villain mentally
Catwoman = Batman's second main villain emotionally
Hugo Strange = Bruce Wayne's second main villain overall

 

[Brother Jack]

Every villain is a reflection of Bruce/Batman in some way. Except for the Joker, who is the exact opposite of him in almost every way.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I don't really see the issue of trying to create many villains who are "parallel opposites" to a main hero. Isn't that kind of the point? Villains who mirror the hero, yet are nothing like them? A paradoxical relationship? That just seems like no-brainer storytelling to me. That's Superman and Lex Luthor.

To me, it always felt like:

Joker = Batman's main villain psychologically
Bane = Batman's main villain physically
Riddler = Batman's main villain mentally
Two-Face = Batman's main villain emotionally
Ra's Al Ghul = Bruce Wayne's main villain overall

Every other villain is sort of the "next level down" of everyone above.

Scarecrow = Batman's second main villain psychologically
Deathstroke = Batman's second main villain physically
Penguin = Batman's second main villain mentally
Catwoman = Batman's second main villain emotionally
Hugo Strange = Bruce Wayne's second main villain overall

You're speaking of foils to Batman, and those are OK to have plenty of. Strong villains usually act as foils to at least ONE of the hero's traits.

We're more referring to the type of villains that want to be the "evil twin" or literally "anti-Batman", like Wrath, Prometheus, Owlman, Killer Moth, and now, the Arkham Knight.

 

[TheFirstAvenger]

https://mobile.***********/BestBuy/status/450392029093441536
Bruce Wayne's son???

 

[jonathancrane]

What the f---!?!??

 

[Compi716]

Damian!

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I'm not putting much stock into a Best Buy tweet until there's some other form of confirmation.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

If the tweet is removed... then it clearly has some validity.

Wait and see mode. Don't tell me Best Boy has blown Rocksteady's big secret?

 

[guitarsingerguy]

If they tweet is removed... then it clearly has some validity.

Wait and see mode. Don't tell me Best Boy has blown Rocksteady's big secret?

It might not mean it's valid. It may be the complete opposite.

 

[TheVileOne]

The way "masked as Bruce Wayne's son" is phrased in that tweet makes no sense.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

The way "masked as Bruce Wayne's son" is phrased in that tweet makes no sense.

The whole tweet kinda seems like broken English.

 

[TheFirstAvenger]

Yeah, the tweet is phrased a little odd.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

That's the big tweest. Batman is Damian and Arkham Knight is Bruce. Mind blown!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

List of the incredibly tired trope of the Anti-Batman -

- Joker
- Wrath
- Bane
- Two-Face
- Prometheus
- Court of Owls/Talon
- Owlman
- Killer Moth (who is the best character ever and I will fight anyone who says otherwise)
- Dr. Hurt (who is a terrible hackneyed cliche spouting moron)
- Black Mask
- Hush

It is a concept waaay overplayed. However, Arkham Knight may turn out to be interesting. But it is certainly played out.

Aren't all of Batman's villains, in one way or another, just a mirrored "bad" version of him? I've seen the argument on how Poison Ivy is an extreme fractured aspect of Bruce's philanthropic side, with the environmentalist angle. Never seemed like a tired trope, but more like a psychological play on close to the edge Batman is.

I do think that sometimes we get villains that seem more like him out of necessity of needing a villain who can actually put up a good fight. Batman is such a tough one to match because he's so good, I can see why it's a pitfall people would fall into.

 

[Dark_Lord]

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[ChrisBaleBatman]

The whole tweet kinda seems like broken English.

Yeah, it's weird how it's phrased.

Masked as Bruce Wayne's son? So, he's pretending to be Bruce's son?

Weird. I wonder if it could be about some Damien Wayne-Batman skin, from the Morrison run. That's the only thing I can glean from that.