Batman: Arkham Knight

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With all I've read about Arkham Knight, I'm going to agree that Origins is appearing to be the best, next to Asylum. Origins still has faults, but atleast a major physical threat to Batman wasn't beaten in a tank battle, and instead a fun rewarding hand to hand fight.
 
And as The Joker and I recently were discussing, the Cold Cold Heart Freeze DLC is by far the best story DLC in the series.
 
I lean to A Matter of Family but I'm biased because I got to play as one of my favourite characters. :oldrazz:
 
If Arkham Knight really is the weakest game like people here are saying then I really hope that they release the older games on the PS4. I loved Arkham Knight but maybe if I played the other games first then I would have had higher expectations and as a result I wouldn't have enjoyed Arkham Knight as much.
 
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It is so awesome just cruising around Gotham in the Burton Era Suit & Batmobile.
 
just a heads up, Gamestop will have Arkham Knight for $40 in celebration of Batman Day tomorrow ( 9/26 ).
 
This guy meant business. Loved Bane in origins.

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Also I really loved the score in Origins. Thought it was great.
 
This guy meant business. Loved Bane in origins.

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My favorite Bane lines are when he tells Bruce he's in his house, and what he's done to Alfred; "I am in your house....Bruce. Come home, say your goodbyes. Once you've had time to turn grief into anger, then you will be ready to face me. I have left enough life in him for some final words.....if you hurry".
 
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I want to know WB Montreal's plans with their next Batman game already damn it, Well assuming they do another Batman game..Which is very likely since Rocksteady is out of the Batman business with this game
 
My favorite Bane lines are when he tells Bruce he's in his house, and what he's done to Alfred; "I am in your house....Bruce. Come home, say your goodbyes. Once you've had time to turn grief into anger, then you will be ready to face me. I have left enough life in him for some final words.....if you hurry".

Great stuff for sure :up:

I want to know WB Montreal's plans with their next Batman game already damn it, Well assuming they do another Batman game..Which is very likely since Rocksteady is out of the Batman business with this game

I really hope they do another. I'm excited to see what else they can do.
 
I'm praying they do but not another Arkham prequel, Either an AK sequel without the Arkham title or a whole new original story and game universe
 
AK and AO seem like a perfect example of the differences between the philosophies involved in their construction: AK was built from a gameplay standpoint first, and thus while some may find the Batmobile tiring, it's still an exceptionally well put together game with almost no glitches that is trying to change and perfect the gameplay, while AO was built from story first standpoint, so it had more rewarding storytelling while the gameplay improvements were fewer.

I'd still argue that AO seems a stronger game is some ways that I'm surprised AK didn't seek to overthrow, but there's no denying the workmanship of Rocksteady on AK.

So I'm hoping we see the next WBM game combines the enhancements from AK that are new (better combat, maybe a perfected version of the Batmobile, etc) with AO's advantages (boss fights, crime scene solving) but also embracing what I think a lot of us thought would be features of AK: free roam with the Batfamily and an organic and respectful integration of them into the main game. The latter two especially would increase replayability.
 
Ironically, I've had more glitches with AK than AO.
 
I was lucky, The biggest bug I had with AO was some stuttering in sound during the bat wing cut scene for transportation.
 
People love UTRH a lot,it's a good story but I'll never understand why people want that story to be done in every medium.

Honestly, it's only been adapted twice. Nowhere as much as all the adaptations and homages to stories like The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, Knightfall, or The Long Halloween. The original story had premise, but it was badly written and the Superboy punch was stupid.

The animated film that adapted the story was much better, and I'm guessing a lot of people's appeal to the story came from that. A cleaner origin for Jason's Red Hood persona, clear writing that actually succeeds in making Jason into a tragic character with understandable motivations instead of an edgy, whiny teen, and terrific voice acting. Jensen Ackles should do more voice acting.

The second adaptation now is this game, and they completely messed it up. They managed to make Batman appear as a neglectful a-hole, while simultaneously make the AK come off as some whiny idiot. I should've sympathized with his plight, but didn't. Too many inconsistencies with his character motivations, and Troy Baker was godawful as AK, particularly once the mask comes off. They should've been honest about AK and his identity, and focus on that character arc instead of wasting time with one of the world's most insultingly predictable "twists".
 
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I'm praying they do but not another Arkham prequel, Either an AK sequel without the Arkham title or a whole new original story and game universe

I think a new universe would be cool. Arkham is great and all, but this is a world of diversity. I'd love a game based on the Batfleck.
 
yeah that's also why I had a talk with chris bale some time ago when I stated the next bat man what ever it is should be down in like story arc of the comic's or like episodes fromthe animated series or animated movies hire those people that usual do story arc's for batman games to do a story like the people that do the game part do the game but the story plot should finished and completed first and also this way you have all to other villain have their spotlight as well if they have their own stand alone stories in game where joker can't grandstand. he'll have a storyto him self as will they have their own . if the tv animated stories can do this ti can done in games as well. it shouldn't be that hard ether.

I also remember that the killing joke is being adapted into an animated movie most like due to how well Arkham knight did sales wise. but that animated movie is happening now. so.....
 
Honestly, it's only been adapted twice. Nowhere as much as all the adaptations and homages to stories like The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, Knightfall, or The Long Halloween. The original story had premise, but it was badly written and the Superboy punch was stupid.

The animated film that adapted the story was much better, and I'm guessing a lot of people's appeal to the story came from that. A cleaner origin for Jason's Red Hood persona, clear writing that actually succeeds in making Jason into a tragic character with understandable motivations instead of an edgy, whiny teen, and terrific voice acting. Jensen Ackles should do more voice acting.

The second adaptation now is this game, and they completely messed it up. They managed to make Batman appear as a neglectful a-hole, while simultaneously make the AK come off as some whiny idiot. I should've sympathized with his plight, but didn't. Too many inconsistencies with his character motivations, and Troy Baker was godawful as AK, particularly once the mask comes off. They should've been honest about AK and his identity, and focus on that character arc instead of wasting time with one of the world's most insultingly predictable "twists".

UTRH remains the greatest argument I've seen for Judd Winnick being a great writer when put under the right editors and forced to trim the fat. Most of his stuff is a little sloppy and light, but he took a decent story in UTH and perfected it to greatness in UTRH.

And yeah, there's some major disappointing elements in AK's portrayal of the character's arc. The idea they had for making him more antagonistic, unstable, and still alive wasn't bad; the idea of the Joker torturing a Robin to the point of insanity and making him a brainwashed Anti-Batman has its merits, and the fakes death removes the need for a Lazarua Pit. But there's far too much of the story afterwards that's not answered. Jason is far too inconsistently portrayed in his demeanor and self control. If they wanted a respected militia leader, then they probably should have had his obsession be more low key and something that is unveiled slowly in the game, and maybe suggest that Jason is fighting his urge to kill Batman.

If they wanted someone as absolutely bonkers as he is, then the game should have had some reason why he didn't just make a bee-line straight for Bruce. Maybe if they'd had Scarecrow discover Jason after Joker's death and set about trying to control him, that would have worked, or have AK and his militia turn on Scarecrow and the rest of the Gotham rogues, embracing the idea that he wants to replace Batman completely and make Gotham safer and used Scarecrow's plan to clear out the innocent so his men could kill all the "scum." Instead, the power dynamics of the villains are all over the place, with the Arkahm gang only seeming to fund and distract Batman when they probably should make up half to three-quarters of the enemies in the game, and it's still very unclear why the hell the militia and its commander work for a guy they effectively recruited.

And again, you can tell the overall story construction was not overseen by anyone who had a Ph.D. In Batmythology; there's too many missed story lines and suggested plotlines that would make the game just a bit better throughout. It's clear that the developers mixed up their Robins, since Tim is effectively the most bland, middle of the road archetype of the name, and they mixed up their Robin and Batgirl romance. Someone should probably be pointing out that Red Hood used to be Joker's handle, since that's the biggest irony about Jason assuming the identity. If Jason is so upset at being replaced, why isn't he attacking Tim or Nightwing, and why aren't those two in the field helping Batman?

Probably the entire Joker's blood subplot could have been dropped and replaced with a few confrontations with AK using Robin and Nightwing. I mean, the idea has some merit, but it's still stupid: the plot point was resolved in AC, the fear toxin is enough to threaten Batman's mind with a Joker takeover so we don't need zombie-Joker blood, and all it does is make Batman do stupid things like lock up innocent people and allies, while also continuing to make Harley a pathetic flunky after they tried to make her better. I appreciate the fun of the subplot, but it wasn't needed, hurt the characterization of Batman, and took the place of other, more engaging possibilities.
 
The second adaptation now is this game, and they completely messed it up. They managed to make Batman appear as a neglectful a-hole, while simultaneously make the AK come off as some whiny idiot. I should've sympathized with his plight, but didn't. Too many inconsistencies with his character motivations, and Troy Baker was godawful as AK, particularly once the mask comes off. They should've been honest about AK and his identity, and focus on that character arc instead of wasting time with one of the world's most insultingly predictable "twists".

This. So many times.

Under the Red Hood Jason Todd understood that Batman failed him, he couldn't believe he let Joker live and that was something that ate Jason out, but when Jason came to Gotham he started ruling over criminal lords and began destroying the crime businesses and making a monopoly.

Arkham Knight decides to have an entire military force not to destroy the villains, but to assist him in killing the Batman. -___________-
 
Arkham Knight decides to have an entire military force not to destroy the villains, but to assist him in killing the Batman. -___________-

And the whole city. He's backing Scarecrow's mad plan to destroy Gotham with fear gas. Millions of innocent people who did nothing to him. All because he thinks Batman neglected him and replaced him.

At least Jason of the comics was only punishing and killing the criminals, and even then when he ruled over them he kept them on a tight leash, like warning the drug dealers to stay away from schools and children or else they're dead meat. He had a warped code of honor. He protected the innocent.

There's no sympathetic angles at all to Jason or his story in AK.
 
I found it frustrating how obvious they made who the Arkham Knight was, yet Batman couldn't figure it out.

World's greatest detective my ass.
 
I was surprised by the Identity because I kept lying to myself that AK was Bruce Wayne's clone. It would have explained the childish attitude!
 
I was lucky, The biggest bug I had with AO was some stuttering in sound during the bat wing cut scene for transportation.

Literally the only glitch I experienced as well.

I found it frustrating how obvious they made who the Arkham Knight was, yet Batman couldn't figure it out.

World's greatest detective my ass.

Oh stop
 
I'm going to have to say that 35% was too low of a discount for Batgirl. The DLC barely lasted an hour, it didn't offer much challange nor provide anything new or interesting. 4.45€ wasted. :|
 
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