Batman Peed Himself?!

[Haff]

The peeing was kind of funny but it seamed pointless. I just hope he doesn't make batman have diarrhea or *********e.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Seriously? Thats you're argument? "No one wants to see their hero do human things!" Um, unlike you, I don't like things whitewashed. I shouldn't be surprised that people take this one incident and blow it way out of proportion, but I constantly am. I'm pretty sure Kevin Smith wasn't thinking "EFF those Batman fans! This will really ruin their day. Har har Batman peed himself. I so funnyz" I took it as Bruce being scared, which makes sense considering the circumstance. This is honestly on of the most ridiculous things I've seen fans get upset about.

How is it ridiculous?

He's one of the most respectable comic book superheroes. Pissing yourself is embarrassing and pathetic.

Do the math.

 

[Drz]

It happened in Batman's very first year. Frank Miller also decided to make Batman into a rat-eating man whos first Bat cave was in the sewers, he also had sex with Catwoman there. OH BUT ofcourse noone wants to dare complain about Miller.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

It happened in Batman's very first year. Frank Miller also decided to make Batman into a rat-eating man whos first Bat cave was in the sewers, he also had sex with Catwoman there. OH BUT ofcourse noone wants to dare complain about Miller.

Yeah, no one complained about that. Absolutely no one.

 

[Drz]

Fact is fans like yourself will always cry out and whine and rant about something being so hugely disrespectful. We got Grant Morrison who had Talia rape Bruce, Frank Miller who made Batman eat rats, Denis O'Neill who killed off Jason Todd instead of working on the character over hack writing decisions among many more. Deal with it.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

oh, you are an enlightened being that gets the point.

Discussion ends.

 

[super85]

I thought "The Widening Gyre" was dissapointing. I like a lot of Smiths previous comic book work, his run on Green Arrow was great fun. This was just very juvenile fanboy stuff, written by a guy who was stoned (he said so himself)

I thought it started out as an improvement over "Cacophony" but just ended (or end of first volume anyway) very weakly. And I'm also so very tired reading comic book stories (out of continuity or "real")where women are murdered, raped or made out to be idiots.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

And I'm also so very tired reading comic book stories (out of continuity or "real")where women are murdered, raped or made out to be idiots.

Absolutely agreed, I'm really sick of fridging a woman for the sack of motivating a male character, a poor trope used far too often in comics.

 

[DarthMaul]

Sorry to bump up old thread but I just finished reading Widening Gyre.
Seriously how does Kevin Smith get to write comic books. By far the worst and most offensive batman comic I read. Not to mention the crappy artwork.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Sorry to bump up old thread but I just finished reading Widening Gyre.
Seriously how does Kevin Smith get to write comic books. By far the worst and most offensive batman comic I read. Not to mention the crappy artwork.

You're wrong. Have a nice day.

 

[Batman]

I think at it's core, Widening Gyre is an admirable concept. Batman realizes how screwed up his life has been and how miserable his obsession has made him through every meaningful relationship he's had, be it with Silver or Dick Grayson. So when he experiences some genuine happiness that he finds himself capable of intertwining with his mission, he realizes he doesn't have to devote his entire life to sulking in the shadows and can still be an effective crimefighter, while leading a life of his own during the day.

That said, I've found some mischaracterizations in the book to be distracting and jarring, to the point that I can't really enjoy the story for it's strengths. And I don't mean "Oh god Batman peed himself!!11", I mean his mannerisms. Batman sometimes monologues in a way that makes him sound more like a typical New Yorker stereotype than a man of Bruce's eloquence. And then the random elements, like Silver constantly calling him "Deedee" and acting like your general sixteen year old girl, just add to the ludicrousness of something that I'm sure Kevin Smith meant to be taken seriously between the moments of innuendo and DC Universe cameos.

Personally, I loved certain moments in the last issue. Batman taking Silver to the Fortress of Solitude's garden to give her a rare alien flower, then teleporting her to the JLA's moonbase, and his subsequent paranoia shown after [BLACKOUT]he proposes[/BLACKOUT] are genuinely good character moments that display Bruce's amateur nature towards being in a healthy, normal relationship. I even commend the ending twist as something out of left field, a moment that I really didn't see coming in a medium full of cliches - even though I probably should have, given how conveniently [BLACKOUT]Onomatopoeia's storyline was allowed to end in Cacophony.[/BLACKOUT]

I guess my point is, this book has problems that are far worse and far more distracting than this. It wasn't a great moment, or even a dignified scene, but it wasn't the point that should have told people "Uh, WTF?" in regards to Widening Gyre's portrayal of Batman. Even in my praise of the book's good elements, I can't find a single reason to excuse Smith's blatant off-kilter stylings that didn't plague his previous comic book works.

 

[DarthMaul]

You're wrong. Have a nice day.

I see few other agreeing with me
http://www.the-isb.com/?p=4641

The whole art is as offensive as the writing. Seriously WTF!! You can't even draw a car with the door closed instead of just tracing whatever picture is available? I mean if it was a batwing with its canopy open was the artist going to trace it with the canopy open for no reason??
http://www.chickslovethecar.com/board/Batmobile_Topic81289-4-1.aspx

 

[Wedge A.]

I went to a Kevin Smith Q&A last night in Boston, and he referenced the Batman-fan outrage from this panel, and how the response was "Batman would never do such a thing".

His response to the fans was something to the effect of, "You're okay with Batman fighting pirates through time, but not peeing himself?"

Just thought you guys would like to hear his response to your anger.

 

[CrimsonDeath]

So is that Kevin Smith's way of saying that Grant Morrison's Bat-pirate stories are as bad as Batman peeing himself?
Because the idea of those things are equally out of place with a good Batman story. Unless they are just doing it for the fun of it, and well Morrison at least had a sci-fi point to it. What Smith did just seemed, well, unnecessary rather than funny.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I went to a Kevin Smith Q&A last night in Boston, and he referenced the Batman-fan outrage from this panel, and how the response was "Batman would never do such a thing".

His response to the fans was something to the effect of, "You're okay with Batman fighting pirates through time, but not peeing himself?"

Just thought you guys would like to hear his response to your anger.

Aside from the obvious differences between fighting pirates and peeing yourself (hint: one is awesome, the other embarrassing), I think what really annoyed people was that he shoehorned it into another writer's iconic Batman moment.

Has Frank Miller commented on it?

 

[mrbrownie]

I just finished reading it, and I really don't see what's the outrage about, I mean he didn't actually peed himself out of fear, but because of the unexpected intensity of the flame and explosion. In the end, yes, it's Batman peeing himself. But it was just pep talk for Baphomet, it could've been a lie after all. The only part I found really... really dumb was the end, when he's all like "Yo dawg, check out my cribz, and, diz da ass I'm marrying btw".

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I went to a Kevin Smith Q&A last night in Boston, and he referenced the Batman-fan outrage from this panel, and how the response was "Batman would never do such a thing".

His response to the fans was something to the effect of, "You're okay with Batman fighting pirates through time, but not peeing himself?"

 

[Mace Dolex]

Is this the pic everybody was talking about?

 

[Drz]

Yeah, because of that single page you got some fans claiming this was one of the worst 2010 comics.

 

[RustyCage]

Yeah, because of that single page you got some fans claiming this was one of the worst 2010 comics.

..It's.. a pretty awful page.

I'm kind of mad that I just let myself read it again.

'None of you is safe.' <- On top of it all. Guh.

 

[DaveMoral]

Haha. Wow. So he peed himself a little. I'm sure it wasn't a full soaking. It's kind of funny in the moment, honestly. This is a guy we never see vulnerable and yet here he is telling this kid this secret.

I mean, we are talking about a guy that got his butt kicked by prostitutes, damn near got his ass handed to him buy some guys trying to steal a tv on a fire escape etc.

This particular comic isn't the most widely read Batman comic out there, and anyone that's buying it because it's Batman I could see being offended if only for that reason. Others buying it because it's Kevin Smith accept it. NO ONE is going to honestly think that particular moment will become a permanent facet of Batman lore either in the DCU canon(because it's NOT canon) or in the popular imagination of Batman(because no one is reading it, DUH).

Ignore it and move on, or have a laugh at it because it is Kevin Smith.

Why So Serious?

 

[TruerToTheCore]

And modern comic book fans think of themselves as sophisticated and yet they defend ultra-childish crap like that.

 

[DaveMoral]

^I think that's an irrelevant point. I'm sophisticated because I read philosophy in addition to my comics. I like a good philosophical film, but I still find the Hangover hilarious.

 

[Drz]

Well said DaveMoral.