Bell tower scenes (spoilers(ish))

[November Rain]

In the first spiderman-teaser trailer, we saw peter trying to rip his costume off at the bell tower scene and it actually felt like he was ripping material through, as if he was struggling to get out of a straightjacket or something.

now in my eyes this gave the impression that the symbiote hand bonded with his suit and it was the material he was having problems with getting off himself.


Now in this theatrical trailer, when the same scenes are shown again, it would seem cgi has been added and it also seems much longer than previously anticipated. The cgi has tendrils and more visual shots of the black gooey symbiote leaking out from the suit before it has come off which to me give more of a impression that the symbiote IS the suit and peter is trying to force the bond of the symbiote physically off himself.

I know it's a very minor thing but i feel it gives a different impression on what the bond is trying to be. In the first, its as if the symbiote has bonded with the suit and he wants peter to wear the suit all the time to gain control of his host (which i believe is the impressioin we are getting from this film). In the second, it has more of a comic feel and it then makes me wonder why the symbiote has attempted a suit bond in the first place.

If they are going with the second, then it also brings up questions of why it didn't bond with Brock's suit at the church but instead it bonded directly with him (we don't see his clothes getting darker in the comic con footage, it's a direct bond which terms him to venom fairly quickly).


I just think it gives perhaps a mixed message about the symbiote's interaction with humans and how it gains controls over peeps.

or am i perhaps just looking for something to complain about?

i'll leave you with the two trailers to compare the 'ripping footage' and you can cast your decisions on which one you feel would be more appropriate on film...

Teaser trailer with more cloth based ripping

Theatrical trailer with more symbiote based removal

i'll leave a poll as well.

 

[Rambo, John J]

I think perhaps the symbiote originally 'bonds' with the actual suit as a way of making it more palatable for Pete - less of an 'ick' factor. Then later in the film when it has a stronger connection he realises he doesn't need the suit and can bond directly with the symbiote - perhaps when he discovers that the symbiote responds directly to his mental commands sans suit?

Or as another explanation, perhaps the symbiote does indeed bond with Peter via the suit, but in doing so changes the molecular structure of the suit itself? It's not a perfect solution to the problem you see but hey... this is movie land.

 

[November Rain]

so you think the ripping in the theatrical trailer is better than the ripping in the teaser trailer

 

[Rambo, John J]

Hmmm... I don't view either as being necessarily better. My initial impression was that the 'ripping' effect seen in the teaser was simply expanded upon in the trailer - when the symbiote realises that he's actually trying to get rid of it, it begins to fight that much harder to remain attached, giving rise to the more fluid, comicy effect with tendrils etc.

Although in saying that, i've only seen the full trailer once, i'll watch it a few more times and let you know what I think after scrutinising every single HD frame.

 

[Sean Adisano]

I think perhaps the symbiote originally 'bonds' with the actual suit as a way of making it more palatable for Pete - less of an 'ick' factor. Then later in the film when it has a stronger connection he realises he doesn't need the suit and can bond directly with the symbiote - perhaps when he discovers that the symbiote responds directly to his mental commands sans suit?

Or as another explanation, perhaps the symbiote does indeed bond with Peter via the suit, but in doing so changes the molecular structure of the suit itself? It's not a perfect solution to the problem you see but hey... this is movie land.

because in this trailer it does attach to his face on the bed...but then we see peter looking at the new black suite completely off peter. so i hope it all ties in to whats going on...either way it looks great

 

[Halcohol]

I think the latest version of that scene we've been shown has been the superior version. We should be given the impression that ripping the symbiote off is physically painful for Peter, because it's become so closely bonded to him. What we saw in the teaser just looked like he was ripping off the black suit.

In the teaser, what we saw was with no special effects. In the trailer, we've been shown a preliminary version of the final scene, with the tendrils and stringiness of the symbiote (those tendrils look pretty damn cool, if you ask me).

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to debate about this scene... it's obviously still evolving as the effects are finished up.

I foresee a comical scene following this one as naked Peter tries to get home

 

[Sean Adisano]

I think the latest version of that scene we've been shown has been the superior version. We should be given the impression that ripping the symbiote off is physically painful for Peter, because it's become so closely bonded to him. What we saw in the teaser just looked like he was ripping off the black suit.

In the teaser, what we saw was with no special effects. In the trailer, we've been shown a preliminary version of the final scene, with the tendrils and stringiness of the symbiote (those tendrils look pretty damn cool, if you ask me).

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to debate about this scene... it's obviously still evolving as the effects are finished up.

I foresee a comical scene following this one as naked Peter tries to get home

oh great, i knew someone would bring it up...lets hope theres a bush in the bell tower that covers tobeys lower half.

yea thats right a bush in the top of a bell tower

 

[Secret_Riddle]

theatrical ripping was much better

 

[November Rain]

Hmmm... I don't view either as being necessarily better. My initial impression was that the 'ripping' effect seen in the teaser was simply expanded upon in the trailer - when the symbiote realises that he's actually trying to get rid of it, it begins to fight that much harder to remain attached, giving rise to the more fluid, comicy effect with tendrils etc.

Although in saying that, i've only seen the full trailer once, i'll watch it a few more times and let you know what I think after scrutinising every single HD frame.

well there is one scene that is in both where we see an above view of parker ripping his mask off.

in the teaser, there are no tendrils but in the theatrical one there are tendrils that are struggling to stay attached to peter.

scrutnise away

 

[November Rain]

because in this trailer it does attach to his face on the bed...but then we see peter looking at the new black suite completely off peter. so i hope it all ties in to whats going on...either way it looks great

when he's looking at it does it have a mask?

I'm also wondering if the symbiote suit has a mask or if one morphs on, because i have yet to see a mask of it off peter.

and in the posters of topher grace it hasnt shown a mask either.

 

[mikebatho]

It's also a case of the first triler not having all the effects shots finished. I wouldn't worry too much about the differences in the two trailers having huge plot indications...

The plan was probably always to have the tendrils in the tearing scenes, but the shots simply weren't finished in time to get the first trailer out.....

 

[Sean Adisano]

when he's looking at it does it have a mask?

I'm also wondering if the symbiote suit has a mask or if one morphs on, because i have yet to see a mask of it off peter.

and in the posters of topher grace it hasnt shown a mask either.

it doesn't show any mask...and we know that eventually the suite is just the symbiote and not just his spidey suite with the symbiote on it.

 

[November Rain]

I think the latest version of that scene we've been shown has been the superior version. We should be given the impression that ripping the symbiote off is physically painful for Peter, because it's become so closely bonded to him. What we saw in the teaser just looked like he was ripping off the black suit.

In the teaser, what we saw was with no special effects. In the trailer, we've been shown a preliminary version of the final scene, with the tendrils and stringiness of the symbiote (those tendrils look pretty damn cool, if you ask me).

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to debate about this scene... it's obviously still evolving as the effects are finished up.

I foresee a comical scene following this one as naked Peter tries to get home

Well i felt that if the suit itself was going to be the problem that the symbiote had joined to, so when parker gets rid of the suit, the symbiote suit finds venom and morphs rather than simply the symbiote which i feel is how its going to be. if the suit is no longer where the bond is going to be with, then we have issues of why it didn't bond to brock's clothing and instead straight with him. but that remains to be seen, personally i would rather see the problem with the suit rather than the symbiote on the suit (if that's the route they are taking).

it was just conflicting view probably based on how the fact the cgi hadn't been done for it yet. on the screen caps page some of those cgi ripping shots freezed look weaker than a normal (no cgi) counterpart.

as for nakedness, they might go the cartoon way with some undies underneath or they may show some cheek but if the symbiote then leaves spideys ripped up suit, he could patch something together to then go home with (plus he's got natural webbing he could cover himself up with).

 

[November Rain]

it doesn't show any mask...and we know that eventually the suite is just the symbiote and not just his spidey suite with the symbiote on it.

so there's still a possibility of having shots where the mask morphs on and off once the suit is on?

 

[Sean Adisano]

so there's still a possibility of having shots where the mask morphs on and off once the suit is on?

could be...also more possibility of seeing the sybiote attach completely to peter when leaving the suite...if thats what it does and thats what it looks like it does, seeing hows he's ripping off the symbiote at the end and not a suite.

 

[Arcturus]

I just assumed the symbiote absorbed the spider-man costume and assimilated it's qualities into itself.

 

[Red]

My thoughts exactly. It appears Venom is created from the symbiote absorbed costume and not the symbiot directly.

 

[Iceman]

I prefer the ripping in the theatrical trailer as it seems more painful, as it should be. I'm not totally clear on whether the symbiote has actually absorbed the suit although it looks that way from this trailer.

 

[November Rain]

I just assumed the symbiote absorbed the spider-man costume and assimilated it's qualities into itself.

how would he then have a costume ready for the remainder of the film?

it's become apparent that he only has one costume

 

[jimmylace]

cool to see a before and after. think it bonds to costume just to lure pete into a false sense of security...less of the ick factor as someone else said abbove

 

[Halcohol]

how would he then have a costume ready for the remainder of the film?

it's become apparent that he only has one costume

How so? He might have multiples by the time of this film.

 

[Arcturus]

how would he then have a costume ready for the remainder of the film?

it's become apparent that he only has one costume

How am I supposed to know? It was just a guess. Maybe he has a spare costume? Use your imagination.

 

[November Rain]

if that was the case, why would he wear the same dirty one, night after night?

 

[Arcturus]

if that was the case, why would he wear the same dirty one, night after night?

Because he's a lazy grub which eats dorritos and watches re-runs of friends?

 

[November Rain]

sold