Bill Finger

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Is Bill Finger still alive?
Do we know what he thinks about the various Bat-films?

Bob Kame died before BB after B&R, right?
How sad that must be, to take B&R as your last memory of Batman on film.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Bill Finger died 33 years ago.

 

[Two-Face]

Yeah Finger died in the 1970s.


RIP Mr Finger

 

[Superwoman Prime]

In case you were stupid, Two Face clarified that 33 years ago happened in the 70's.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Bill Finger died 33 years ago.

OMG!

I'm speechless.

 

[Acid Snowman]

Even worse, he died penniless and relatively unknown because Kane refused to properly aknowledge him as a contributor until after his death, for fear that he'd try to obtain the rights.

 

[BubbaGump]

How sad that must be, to take B&R as your last memory of Batman on film.

He deserved it.

 

[Dope Nose]

Is Bill Finger still alive?

y'know what you should get? the internet.

 

[Catman]

Bob Kame died before BB after B&R, right?
How sad that must be, to take B&R as your last memory of Batman on film.

well...atleast the animated series was still on the air.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

He deserved it.

No, he didn't. Don't be ignorant.

While, without Bill Finger's contributions, Kane's original Batman would have sucked ass, without Kane creating a Bat-Man, Finger wouldn't have had anything to CONTRIBUTE to.

Without Kane getting the ball rolling, we wouldn't even know who Bill Finger is and he wouldn't have a legacy at all, unacknowledged or not. Bill also could have sued for the right to a byline, but he didn't, so in the end, he let himself get completely screwed on Batman. He never even tried to receive credit.

If Kane hadn't CREATED Batman in the first place, Bill couldn't have improved the character. So all of you think about that one before you get up on your high horse and lobby hate at a dead man who was worth more than you'll probably ever be. Bob Kane gets more hate lobbied at him than he is due. Fact. Bill Finger is martyrd more than is reasonable. Fact. The fact that Kane relented in later years and the fact that Finger didn't fight for his rights equal things out. You're not going to have everything handed to you. If Bill wanted credit, he should have fought for it.

Legally, there is no gray area, either. The character was already created and submitted to DC. Bill came to the table too late to get a creator's credit. Legally, Bill doesn't get to have a co-creator credit because Bob already created and submitted the character. All he did was make revisions after the fact. It's true that Bill shaped Batman prior to his debut, but the "right" to a co-creator credit is hazy at best. It can be argued that every non Bill Finger writer should get a co-creator credit as well, after all, they're all making revisions to the character after-the-fact, too. Just like Bill did.

Please understand that I am not anti-Finger. In fact, I think it'd be damn spiffy if he got the co-creator credit that he should technically get, even if legally, he's no more fit for it than Denny O'Neil, but let's keep things in perspective here. Both parties are equally guity of something. Kane for taking credit for what Bill did (up until the 80s), and Bill for just letting Bob do it to him.

Batman was created by Bob Kane. Fact. Kane's only crime was letting people attribute everything to him. Don't villify Kane more than is due. Not mentioning Bill Finger as a contributor for a few decades doesn't equal an evil plot to make Bill die penniless, which is how the "Raise the Finger" types act. Grow up and comprehend the truth.

 

[Cobblepot]

Now you've done it Bubba.

 

[BubbaGump]

Now you've done it Bubba.

Indeed I have. But I still can't believe the stoneface smiley didn't tip him off.

 

[souloffire]

Also lets not forget Gardner Fox's contributions to Batman. He wrote the majority of the stories in the 30's and deserves a little credit.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I agree with the Doc. Finger deserves co-credit, but I hate when people say Kane shouldn't get credit at all.

It's a shame none of the high-ups in DC haven't tried to get Finger co-credit in Batman comics like Kane gets. But mark my words! I guarantee the last Batman comic we ever read decades from now, will say "Batman created by bOb Kane & Bill FinGer" even if I have to single handedly make sure of it.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

No, he didn't. Don't be ignorant.

While, without Bill Finger's contributions, Kane's original Batman would have sucked ass, without Kane creating a Bat-Man, Finger wouldn't have had anything to CONTRIBUTE to.

Without Kane getting the ball rolling, we wouldn't even know who Bill Finger is and he wouldn't have a legacy at all, unacknowledged or not. Bill also could have sued for the right to a byline, but he didn't, so in the end, he let himself get completely screwed on Batman. He never even tried to receive credit.

If Kane hadn't CREATED Batman in the first place, Bill couldn't have improved the character. So all of you think about that one before you get up on your high horse and lobby hate at a dead man who was worth more than you'll probably ever be. Bob Kane gets more hate lobbied at him than he is due. Fact. Bill Finger is martyrd more than is reasonable. Fact. The fact that Kane relented in later years and the fact that Finger didn't fight for his rights equal things out. You're not going to have everything handed to you. If Bill wanted credit, he should have fought for it.

Legally, there is no gray area, either. The character was already created and submitted to DC. Bill came to the table too late to get a creator's credit. Legally, Bill doesn't get to have a co-creator credit because Bob already created and submitted the character. All he did was make revisions after the fact. It's true that Bill shaped Batman prior to his debut, but the "right" to a co-creator credit is hazy at best. It can be argued that every non Bill Finger writer should get a co-creator credit as well, after all, they're all making revisions to the character after-the-fact, too. Just like Bill did.

Please understand that I am not anti-Finger. In fact, I think it'd be damn spiffy if he got the co-creator credit that he should technically get, even if legally, he's no more fit for it than Denny O'Neil, but let's keep things in perspective here. Both parties are equally guity of something. Kane for taking credit for what Bill did (up until the 80s), and Bill for just letting Bob do it to him.

Batman was created by Bob Kane. Fact. Kane's only crime was letting people attribute everything to him. Don't villify Kane more than is due. Not mentioning Bill Finger as a contributor for a few decades doesn't equal an evil plot to make Bill die penniless, which is how the "Raise the Finger" types act. Grow up and comprehend the truth.

Ah, finally, thank you!

 

[Two-Face]

The mini comic book that came with Dex SE DVD had:

The Bat-Man

Writer: Bill Finger
Artist: Bob Kane

DC has given Finger credit for that.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Indeed I have. But I still can't believe the stoneface smiley didn't tip him off.

Hey, I'm not going to trust smileys. I've seen a lot of morons who use smileys completely out of context that actually ends up being contrary to the point they're trying to make. I've been fooled enough over the years that I just ignore them.

Here's an idea; how about no sarcasm in text? That works for me.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

It's a shame none of the high-ups in DC haven't tried to get Finger co-credit in Batman comics like Kane gets. But mark my words! I guarantee the last Batman comic we ever read decades from now, will say "Batman created by bOb Kane & Bill FinGer" even if I have to single handedly make sure of it.

I think a more fitting byline would be "Batman created by Bob Kane with Bill Finger". It puts the credit in it's place. As Bill helped after the initial submission for credit.

 

[Penismightier]

I think a more fitting byline would be "Batman created by Bob Kane with Bill Finger". It puts the credit in it's place. As Bill helped after the initial submission for credit.

That would most certainly be both ideal and fair to all parties involved.

 

[BubbaGump]

Here's an idea; how about no sarcasm in text? That works for me.

Sure!

*hint**hint*

 

[BatScot]

Here is the very first appearance of “Kane’s” Batman:

... and here is the Alex Raymond Flash Gordon image he swiped it from:

Here is the iconic origin of “Kane’s” Batman:

... and here is Hal Foster Tarzan image he swiped it from:

The ‘look’ of Batman is Finger’s invention. The fact that Bill Finger was a writer does not preclude his ability to define a visual style; a visual style can be defined by a descriptive reference and a skilled writer has no less ability to create an image than does an artist. There is no “Created by Bob Kane” Batman because so very little of Batman’s most iconographic elements can be attributed to Kane himself.

As Jerry Robinson said: “I signed Bob Kane's name more than he did.”

 

[Mr. Socko]

The mini comic book that came with Dex SE DVD had:

The Bat-Man

Writer: Bill Finger
Artist: Bob Kane

DC has given Finger credit for that.

That's because it was one that he actually wrote. Just as Frank Miller gets credit in All Star. What I mean is that if you open any Batman comic you have, on the first page right under the title in a small square reads "Batman created by bOb Kane." I think Finger's name should be right in there as well.

I find it ironic that when talking about most great Batman comics, the writer(as usual) gets all of the credit, all praise goes to Alan Moore for The Killing Joke. I rarely ever hear an appreciation to the illustrator, Bolland. But when it comes to the creation, the illustrator, Kane gets credit while Finger, the writer, rarely ever does.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

No, he didn't. Don't be ignorant.

While, without Bill Finger's contributions, Kane's original Batman would have sucked ass, without Kane creating a Bat-Man, Finger wouldn't have had anything to CONTRIBUTE to.

Without Kane getting the ball rolling, we wouldn't even know who Bill Finger is and he wouldn't have a legacy at all, unacknowledged or not. Bill also could have sued for the right to a byline, but he didn't, so in the end, he let himself get completely screwed on Batman. He never even tried to receive credit.

If Kane hadn't CREATED Batman in the first place, Bill couldn't have improved the character. So all of you think about that one before you get up on your high horse and lobby hate at a dead man who was worth more than you'll probably ever be. Bob Kane gets more hate lobbied at him than he is due. Fact. Bill Finger is martyrd more than is reasonable. Fact. The fact that Kane relented in later years and the fact that Finger didn't fight for his rights equal things out. You're not going to have everything handed to you. If Bill wanted credit, he should have fought for it.

Legally, there is no gray area, either. The character was already created and submitted to DC. Bill came to the table too late to get a creator's credit. Legally, Bill doesn't get to have a co-creator credit because Bob already created and submitted the character. All he did was make revisions after the fact. It's true that Bill shaped Batman prior to his debut, but the "right" to a co-creator credit is hazy at best. It can be argued that every non Bill Finger writer should get a co-creator credit as well, after all, they're all making revisions to the character after-the-fact, too. Just like Bill did.

Please understand that I am not anti-Finger. In fact, I think it'd be damn spiffy if he got the co-creator credit that he should technically get, even if legally, he's no more fit for it than Denny O'Neil, but let's keep things in perspective here. Both parties are equally guity of something. Kane for taking credit for what Bill did (up until the 80s), and Bill for just letting Bob do it to him.

Batman was created by Bob Kane. Fact. Kane's only crime was letting people attribute everything to him. Don't villify Kane more than is due. Not mentioning Bill Finger as a contributor for a few decades doesn't equal an evil plot to make Bill die penniless, which is how the "Raise the Finger" types act. Grow up and comprehend the truth.

Ok, fair points and all, but to blame a man for not fighting?
Is that the world we live in now, where unless you fight for everything, your just a dick? I don't like that world. Somepeople arn't fighters. Some men don't want to get involved with legal battles for years. And to be honest, why should thay? Bob Kane had enough money, why didn't he just share it, or at least recognize Finger forfore the 80's?
Why couldn't Kane do the right thing?
Maybe its the indians fault that America too there land. Afterall, they should have fought harder right? Should have developed better weapons? Its not Americas fault they screwed them over, its the Indians for not fighting good enough.

 

[Acid Snowman]

"Without Kane getting the ball rolling, we wouldn't even know who Bill Finger is and he wouldn't have a legacy at all, unacknowledged or not."

Actually, He'd still live on as co-creator of Green Lantern, and, If i'm not mistaken, Wildcat.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

"Without Kane getting the ball rolling, we wouldn't even know who Bill Finger is and he wouldn't have a legacy at all, unacknowledged or not."

Actually, He'd still live on as co-creator of Green Lantern, and, If i'm not mistaken, Wildcat.

Without Bill Finger there would be no ball. Batman wouldn't have gotten off the starting blocks. Kane's Batman had a purple suit and red mask with no ears, as i remember.