Bill Maher snapped last night

Man, SB and Wilhelm are like those two guys in Michael Jackson's "Beat It" video dancing around with their wrists tied to each other's, but instead of switchblades they're armed with :huh: s. It's like a battle for the title of "Mr. Condescending Know-it-all" of 2007. Good times!
Just stick around to see the part where we finally decide to stop dueling and we dance instead!
 
i'm already sporting a semi-chubby in anticipation of that.
 
What?!

No way, a whole wing of "the movement" is devoted to the idea that the attacks were real, in line with the official story, but that the problem is that the government knew they were coming and allowed it to happen to further the goals of P.N.A.C.
Physics and architecture have nothing to do with any of it.

The "Truth Movement" is comprised of people who question the mainstream account of what happened that day.
Tons of them are more interested in stuff like:

The 9/11 investigations making light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignoring the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)


Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.


How it's well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.

If you ask who was in charge, Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.


How the US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

How the US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue?
There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise."
So people think the wargames served as a cover for air defense sabotage.

This makes it doubly preposterous when Bush and Cheney say "No one could have forseen planes crashing into buildings."
TELEVISION FICTION WRITERS foresaw that exact scenario. :huh:


It's super damning how multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

And it's a fact that certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
There's a lady whose office is the exact point where a plane hit.
Guess where she was that morning.
She was at Warren Buffet's golf tournament, held on an Air Force base.
It's his annual golf tournament for all of his high powered friends, and every single other year, it was held on a different date (I can't remember, like, April 20th or whatever), but in 2001, after all those years, he told everyone that this year, it would be held on the morning of September 11th, so all his high powered friends took that morning off.

If you watch 9/11 retrospectives, you will see a lot of CEO's, talking about how sad it is that practically their whole staff was taken out. :o

........and how unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.



There's, uh, a lot more to it than engineering and physics. :o






I've seen both sides of this because as I've said before, my favorite magazines are "Paranoia" and "The Skeptic"...and I'm here to tell you, you're generalizing.
There are people on both sides that ignore experts, and there are people on both sides who don't have an agenda and really want to get at the truth.
There are people who think the Gov't. let it happen, who also ridicule claims about explosives in the buildings, just as there are people who believe the gov't. was innocent, but there are too many suspicious or convenient "facts" floating around to buy their "Official Story".

Here ya go, just about all of that is debunked in here

http://powerflv.com/play2?cat=Docum...ew+Loose+Change&actual_title=Full+Documentary
 
I'll take a look at it but I'd like to reiterate that I'm not "100%-Alex Jones is a prophet-anything bad you can say about Bush is true".

I've mentioned how Paranoia magazine had a "Let's Deal With all this 9/11 stuff" issue...and The Skeptic had the same thing, and I read with interest where tons of the stuff the conspiracy theorists say is "slam dunk" was easily demolished, but I also read where a lot of the "debunking" was invalid and there were no answers for the questions raised by the Conspiracy guys.

When I posted th^t list, if you'll look back, it was in response to a stupid thing Matt said, which was that the strongest evidence 9/11 Truth people have is in the "impossible" way the buildings fell..........so I posted those to remind him, that a LOT of the 9/11 Truth people BELIEVE it was Saudi Arabians that flew planes, and the planes blew up and made the bldg.s fall...............so physics and pyrotechnics literally have NOTHING to do with it, for some.

That doesn't mean I believe everything in that very abbreviated list. There's tons of info that I just don't have the time to talk about here...so I listed a few from the "Planes blew up the bldg./Bush allowed it to happen" crowd.
 
Look little wackjob nutcase
You can believe what ever you want but tryiing to spin the crap you believe as fact ignoring REAL FACTS in doing so only makes you look like a MORON.
I was being nice with the scientology comment... you know giving your wackjob ass a way out.
But I see you are the dumbass who believes idiots like Michael Moore....
Comparing watergate to 9/11 yeh you are a dumbass aright.

wow.
you know what I found funny.
how you pretty much dodged the post he made.
please tell me, what "real facts" he happens to ignore?
what is he "spinning"? what part of what he said is implausible and why?

finally what is "tryiing"? do you have to own a Wii to Tryii?
 

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