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Nurse refuses student inhaler during asthma attack
School says medical release form lacked parent's signature



Volusia County School officials stand by a Deltona High School nurse's decision to refuse a student his inhaler during an asthma attack, citing a lack of a parent's signature on a medical release form.

"It's like something out of a horror film. The person just sits there and watches you die," said Michael Rudi, 17. "She sat there, looked at me and she did nothing."

He said the school dean found his inhaler during a search of his locker last Friday. The inhaler was still in its original packaging -- complete with his name and directions for its use; however, the school took it away because his mother hadn't signed the proper form for him to have it.

School leaders called Sue Rudi when her son started having trouble breathing. She rushed to the office and was taken back to the nurse's office by school administrators and they discovered the teen on the floor.

"As soon as we opened up the door, we saw my son collapsing against the wall on the floor of the nurse's office while she was standing in the window of the locked door looking down at my son, who was in full-blown asthma attack," Rudi said.

Michael Rudi said when he started to pass out from his attack, the nurse locked the door.

"I believe that when I closed my eyes I wasn't going to wake up," he said.
The Director of Student Health Services, Cheryl Selesky, said that parents must sign the medical release form each year, which allows students to carry their prescribed drugs with them in school.

This year, the district had no record of his Rudi's signature, said Selesky.

"I mean its common sense if I saw an animal on the street in distress I would probably stop to help, why wouldn't she help a child," Sue Rudi said.
But Rudi is a senior, and his mother said the district has had records of his asthma throughout his years in the school.

She thinks her son could have died because of a technicality.

"How dare you deny my son something that we all take for granted, breath," said Sue Rudi. "Why didn't someone call 911?"

Selesky said the district is looking into whether proper procedures were followed by the school, and while nurses can't give medications without the proper authorization, it is district policy to call 911 when a student cannot breath.

Selesky could not explain why 911 was never called.

"I understand if you can't give it to him call 911," Sue Rudi said. "Why did you not call 911?"

Sue Rudi said she worries about the next student caught in a similar situation, and has filed charges against the nurse with the Volusia County Sheriff's Office.

"I want to press child endangerment charges for something they did to my son," Rudi said in the 911 call.

Local 6 reached out to the school district officials for more information, but they declined to interview.

Watch Local 6 for more on this story.

wow, nurse should get jail and lose her license
 
The nurse should be put in front of a firing squad.
 
No, she should not.

I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If she gave it to him without a signature, she gets reprimanded for not following procedure. if she follows procedure, she gets reprimanded. if she calls 911 and the kid dies in the meantime, she gets reprimanded for not giving him his inhaler immediately. That's what we let this country become.

Ultimately, it's the parents' responsibility to have the permission slip signed and in direct possession of the appropriate hands at the school. None of this "animal on the side of the road" ********, which leads me to the next point that this is largely sensationalist reporting at best. The kid almost dies because the parent is flippant regarding school policy and assumes because it was OK the last three years, her child is exempt from the rule this year.

And before the contention arises that schools should've have this kind of rule in place, remember that this generation of kids are DUMB. I mean, EXTREMELY DUMB. Kids are resorting to getting drunk on hand sanitizer, so schools have to have something like this medical release form in place.
 
And really, "horror movie"? Was she standing over the kid while he was on the floor dangling his inhaler just out of reach with an evil grin on her face? I understand he was probably hallucinating from the lack of air, but did it really happen in real life?
 
No, she should not.

I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If she gave it to him without a signature, she gets reprimanded for not following procedure. if she follows procedure, she gets reprimanded. if she calls 911 and the kid dies in the meantime, she gets reprimanded for not giving him his inhaler immediately. That's what we let this country become.

Ultimately, it's the parents' responsibility to have the permission slip signed and in direct possession of the appropriate hands at the school. None of this "animal on the side of the road" ********, which leads me to the next point that this is largely sensationalist reporting at best. The kid almost dies because the parent is flippant regarding school policy and assumes because it was OK the last three years, her child is exempt from the rule this year.

And before the contention arises that schools should've have this kind of rule in place, remember that this generation of kids are DUMB. I mean, EXTREMELY DUMB. Kids are resorting to getting drunk on hand sanitizer, so schools have to have something like this medical release form in place.

I agree, she's damned no matter what. Yet it speaks volumes about a person who, when presented with a no-win situation for themselves, just stands idly by when someone is in distress.

If you're a good person, and you're ****ed whether or not you help, you ****ing help.
 
I agree that the nurse should've just given it to him regardless but the parent deserves blame also for not signing the damn form.
 
She'll get a reprimand? Big deal. Give the kid his @#$%ing inhaler.
 
Sorry, but what she did goes against the Hippocratic Oath. She should have done anything to help the kid, and she didn't. If she wasn't allowed to do anything, then call the damned paramedics. Don't just stand there. If the parents had enough time to get there, then the paramedics surely did.

The school needs to look for a new nurse, because she needs to be fired, asap.
 
I don't know what disturbs me more, the fact that she did nothing, or that she locked the door on the kid as well. :dry:
 
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Odds are they didn't call 911 because they didn't think it warranted calling 911. It was an asthma attack, not a heart attack. She's a nurse. Its her job to intervene if it gets bad enough. My guess is she thought it wasn't.

A kid who has asthma bad enough to think he could die from it carries his inhaler with him. He doesn't leave it in its original packaging in his locker.

This is sensationalism.
 
It's district policy to call 911 when a student cannot breath. So since they weren't its also the schools fault for not doing so. Unless this full blown asthma attack is just completely overstated.
 
Odds are they didn't call 911 because they didn't think it warranted calling 911. It was an asthma attack, not a heart attack. She's a nurse. Its her job to intervene if it gets bad enough. My guess is she thought it wasn't.
This is sensationalism.

As someone who suffered from childhood asthma, you are misinformed.

Asthma attacks can range from something as little as a small cough, to a complete shut-off of air - something just as dangerous as a heart attack. You can be sufferer of asthma for years and only deal with the occasional cough, then all of a sudden get one of the "big" ones. It's insulting to say that "it's an asthma attack, not a heart attack." The big attacks are some of the worst, most horrifying things a person can experience - imagine feeling immense sharp pain in your lungs as if being stabbed by thousands of red hot knives, and quite literally drowning; gasping (if you're even able to) between violent coughs but not being able to get any air. It's horrifying and deadly, not sensationalist.

A kid who has asthma bad enough to think he could die from it carries his inhaler with him. He doesn't leave it in its original packaging in his locker.

First, most schools don't allow you to carry inhalers. Pretty much the only medication you are allowed to physically carry on your person is an epi-pen. Secondly, the vast majority of asthma sufferers do not experience the major attacks such as this kid did, and ultimately become conditioned to not needing on their person at all times.

This nurse was wrong. It has nothing to do with the signature or lack thereof. A student needed medical attention and she refused to give it, or contact 911. As another person pointed out, this is a direct violation of the Hippocratic Oath (and common sense). This isn't the first time that the stringent and (imo) ridiculous medical rules put in place at schools has risked the life of a student. And unfortunately, this won't be the last. A severe overhaul of the logic behind a student's right to their medication and the governing of the school needs to happen to keep something like this or worse from happening.
 
I don't know what disturbs me more, the fact that she did nothing, or that she locked the door on the kid as well. :dry:
Yeah, I don't get why she locked the door. Of course, nothing that she did makes sense to me.
 
No, she should not.

I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If she gave it to him without a signature, she gets reprimanded for not following procedure. if she follows procedure, she gets reprimanded. if she calls 911 and the kid dies in the meantime, she gets reprimanded for not giving him his inhaler immediately. That's what we let this country become.

Ultimately, it's the parents' responsibility to have the permission slip signed and in direct possession of the appropriate hands at the school. None of this "animal on the side of the road" ********, which leads me to the next point that this is largely sensationalist reporting at best. The kid almost dies because the parent is flippant regarding school policy and assumes because it was OK the last three years, her child is exempt from the rule this year.

And before the contention arises that schools should've have this kind of rule in place, remember that this generation of kids are DUMB. I mean, EXTREMELY DUMB. Kids are resorting to getting drunk on hand sanitizer, so schools have to have something like this medical release form in place.

Apparently in your hurry to denounce the parents you missed the part about how the rules state - IF SOMEONE IS HAVING TROUBLE BREATHING, CALL 911.....AND SHE DIDN'T CALL THEM - she is a nurse, and did not follow the proper procedure by calling for more help....AND....she did not provide any type of aid to the ailing student as he struggled to breath.
 
Next headline: Volusia County School District Bankrupted By Lawsuit
 
She stood and watched him suffocate, and locked the door??

Consent form or not, a student is dying in front of you, call 9-1-1.

She's a female dog, and if this was anyone close to me, I would slap her across the face.
 
As someone who suffered from childhood asthma, you are misinformed.

I had it as well. Pretty bady, as did every one of my siblings.

Asthma attacks can range from something as little as a small cough, to a complete shut-off of air - something just as dangerous as a heart attack. You can be sufferer of asthma for years and only deal with the occasional cough, then all of a sudden get one of the "big" ones. It's insulting to say that "it's an asthma attack, not a heart attack." The big attacks are some of the worst, most horrifying things a person can experience - imagine feeling immense sharp pain in your lungs as if being stabbed by thousands of red hot knives, and quite literally drowning; gasping (if you're even able to) between violent coughs but not being able to get any air. It's horrifying and deadly, not sensationalist.

I’m aware of how it feels.

I’m also aware that while you can have only the “occasional cough” and get a really bad attack, that is not the norm for asthma sufferers.

First, most schools don't allow you to carry inhalers. Pretty much the only medication you are allowed to physically carry on your person is an epi-pen. Secondly, the vast majority of asthma sufferers do not experience the major attacks such as this kid did, and ultimately become conditioned to not needing on their person at all times.

That’s all well and good…If I’m a kid or the parent of a kid who has suffered bad asthma attacks, or even moderate ones, and I think an inhaler will help, to Hell with their rules, I’m carrying one, or I’m damn well making sure the paperwork is done so I can have one at the school.

This nurse was wrong. It has nothing to do with the signature or lack thereof. A student needed medical attention and she refused to give it, or contact 911.

It’s certainly possible.

Thus far, the nurse was wrong…based on what this student, who was supposedly having an attack so bad he thought he was dying, said.

All we have is what this kid said happened. The student claims she locked the door and did nothing to help him, and that she was just watching him die. For all we know, he had some issues breathing, but was still relatively okay when the mother was called or had JUST started having the serious part of the attack, or the worst of it, just before or when his mother showed up. For all we know, he was overreacting and falling to the floor because he’d never experienced it before, or because he was panicking along with the attack.
To say the nurse “refused” his inhaler? There’s a bit of a difference between the school taking his inhaler and the nurse outright refusing to give it to him. For all we know she didn’t have time to get to it, or didn't know where it was.

For all we know, he's lying.

And as bad as it was based on his story...he didn’t die, did he? Did they end up calling 911 when his mother got there? Was his attack not that bad, and he just felt okay afterward? There are too many elements of this story that aren’t apparently considered important.

Until we hear her side of the story, its pretty much sensationalism.
 
Giving rules greater weightage than life of a child is unprofessionalism, no matter if the child was okay afterwards or that his parents should have signed the required documents earlier, what matters is how the situation was handled at that time.
 
As a sufferer of asthma and having had one of the big attacks I know what the kid was going through. The nurse is clearly incompetent. Any trained can spot the difference between a real and fake asthma attack. Regardless of the inhaler and permission slip she should have called 911 or found some loop hole or some way to help the kid. She failed to follow protocol, she broke the hypocratic oath, and she stood idly by while a child collapsed to the floor unable to breathe. She is not fit for her job or to be responsible of children.

She's lucky she wasn't throttled by the parents. I would have ensured my child was ok then I would have commenced to chocking the life out of the nurse to see if she liked not breathing. That may seem over the top but you do not endanger children. With adrenaline punping and the culprate of your childs near death experience standing right there it would be hard not to attack her. You dont **** with a bear cub so what makes people think they can mess with human children? Parents are going to hurt you if you mess with their child. Laws be damned that nurse would need protection from me. If I could restrain myself I would at the very least take her and that school for all they are worth in court.
 
Sorry, but what she did goes against the Hippocratic Oath. She should have done anything to help the kid, and she didn't. If she wasn't allowed to do anything, then call the damned paramedics. Don't just stand there. If the parents had enough time to get there, then the paramedics surely did.

The school needs to look for a new nurse, because she needs to be fired, asap.

Bingo! That woman is a selfish wench who should get thrown out on her sorry butt. Her job vs. the student's life ... Yeah, I think a human life is more important, here!
 
Apparently in your hurry to denounce the parents you missed the part about how the rules state - IF SOMEONE IS HAVING TROUBLE BREATHING, CALL 911.....AND SHE DIDN'T CALL THEM - she is a nurse, and did not follow the proper procedure by calling for more help....AND....she did not provide any type of aid to the ailing student as he struggled to breath.

I agree that was an oversight on my part. However, this wouldn't have happened in the first place if the parents had signed the slip. I understand how severe asthma can, but I also know how infrequent its severity can be. My girlfriend has a bad case of it, but the last really bad incident was almost a year ago and even then it was a slow buildup to how bad it got. In some cases, she was able to breathe her way through it. Not saying this is every case, but it's not out of the possibility the nurse believed he'd be able to get through it.

And it seems like I may be making excuses, but the door may have been closed, and unknowingly locked, as to avoid another kid walking by, patient privacy if you will. There's enough happenstance at play here. You just can't assume the nurse wants to watch this kid suffer.
 
I agree that was an oversight on my part. However, this wouldn't have happened in the first place if the parents had signed the slip. I understand how severe asthma can, but I also know how infrequent its severity can be. My girlfriend has a bad case of it, but the last really bad incident was almost a year ago and even then it was a slow buildup to how bad it got. In some cases, she was able to breathe her way through it. Not saying this is every case, but it's not out of the possibility the nurse believed he'd be able to get through it.

And it seems like I may be making excuses, but the door may have been closed, and unknowingly locked, as to avoid another kid walking by, patient privacy if you will. There's enough happenstance at play here. You just can't assume the nurse wants to watch this kid suffer.

Its not for the nurse to decide whether she thinks he can make it through it. Kid with asthma has asthma attack you give him his inhaler. If you can't then you call 911. There are no other choices. She did neither. She failed at her job therefore she should be canned and in this case disciplinary actions are warranted. Knowing many people that work in the medical field I know that far less severe screw ups will get you fired. What this nirse did is enough to where she shouldnt be a nurse at all. She failed to responsibly and properly perform under pressure of the job.
 
No, she should not.

I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If she gave it to him without a signature, she gets reprimanded for not following procedure. if she follows procedure, she gets reprimanded. if she calls 911 and the kid dies in the meantime, she gets reprimanded for not giving him his inhaler immediately. That's what we let this country become.

Ultimately, it's the parents' responsibility to have the permission slip signed and in direct possession of the appropriate hands at the school. None of this "animal on the side of the road" ********, which leads me to the next point that this is largely sensationalist reporting at best. The kid almost dies because the parent is flippant regarding school policy and assumes because it was OK the last three years, her child is exempt from the rule this year.

And before the contention arises that schools should've have this kind of rule in place, remember that this generation of kids are DUMB. I mean, EXTREMELY DUMB. Kids are resorting to getting drunk on hand sanitizer, so schools have to have something like this medical release form in place.

No. Sometimes you've just gotta make decisions using your own common sense, not the ****ing rulebook.

This is like a satirical skit on Monty Python taking the piss out of ridiculous bureaucracy or something.
 

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