Nurse refuses student inhaler during asthma attack

Nurse should have given him his inhaler. Simple as that. I have asthma and if some nurse didn't give me my inhaler I would make sure she gets fired for being incompetent.
 
The guy's seventeen. I doubt he would have screwed up using it, or used it to get high. I never did that with my insulin at school, and they let me carry that around with me at school since I was like 14. Damn the proper procedure, she should have given it to him.
 
I've been carrying my Epi-Pen and inhaler since I've been at least 11 years old. I live in Australia mind you so it's possibly different here.
 
No, she should not.

I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If she gave it to him without a signature, she gets reprimanded for not following procedure. if she follows procedure, she gets reprimanded. if she calls 911 and the kid dies in the meantime, she gets reprimanded for not giving him his inhaler immediately. That's what we let this country become.

Ultimately, it's the parents' responsibility to have the permission slip signed and in direct possession of the appropriate hands at the school. None of this "animal on the side of the road" ********, which leads me to the next point that this is largely sensationalist reporting at best. The kid almost dies because the parent is flippant regarding school policy and assumes because it was OK the last three years, her child is exempt from the rule this year.

And before the contention arises that schools should've have this kind of rule in place, remember that this generation of kids are DUMB. I mean, EXTREMELY DUMB. Kids are resorting to getting drunk on hand sanitizer, so schools have to have something like this medical release form in place.

Well, if you're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position, I would side on helping the child.
 
I was just baffled to read that he was 17, I mean come on he's clearly not a child. For them to to take the decision for someone of that age is ridiculous.

I agree with most of you she failed to act. She should have A. Given him is inhaler or B. Called 911, not particularly a hard choice to make either.
 
It's just one of those stories where you wanna grab the women, shake her and scream 'What the hell is the matter with you!'

Actually had something a bit similar once. My friend started having an asthma attack 20 miles away from home, so we took her straight to the a+e. Nurse told us to wait in the waiting area. I said 'Can you give her an inhaler or something, she can't breathe properly', but they told us they couldn't give her anything, she had to wait for the doctor.

The doctor took 30 minutes to come out :(

And I really don't get it, cause how are asthma inhalers dangerous? I've had a toot on a friends, doesn't do anything to you... :confused:
 
Well like most drugs you can OD on them. But not from one canister i'd imagine.

This is a simple case of someone not having the ability to use their own judgement and following the rulebook to the letter. I hate these kinds of people, the world needs less of them.
 
So with limited info, we're just going to believe the kid and his obviously classy mother about what happened?

No need for the other side of the story...

Wow.
 
There is no other side of the story. The kid was having an asthma attack, the nurse refused him his asthma inhaler because the rules said he needed a note. In cases like that, you would hope a human being had the common sense to think "Oh it's against the rules, but this kid might die".
 
Odds are they didn't call 911 because they didn't think it warranted calling 911. It was an asthma attack, not a heart attack. She's a nurse. Its her job to intervene if it gets bad enough. My guess is she thought it wasn't.

A kid who has asthma bad enough to think he could die from it carries his inhaler with him. He doesn't leave it in its original packaging in his locker.


This is sensationalism.


The school took it away from him. It's in the article.
 
Yea, at my school if anyone was on medication they had to leave it in the medical bay, and go there when it was time to take it.
 
So with limited info, we're just going to believe the kid and his obviously classy mother about what happened?

No need for the other side of the story...

Wow.
At first, I just thought you were playing the Devil's advocate. Now, after you toss an insult at his mom, it just seems like you have your mind made up that this story is full of lies.

Also, the article says that the administrators found the inhaler in his locker and took it from him. Don't you think that maybe they should have, at that point, contacted the parents to tell them they needed the permission slip? It's certainly not unreasonable for the parents to have assumed their son's paperwork was still on file from all the previous years he had dealt with this.

Look, bottom line here is that the nurse stood by and let the boy ultimately pass out from his asthma attack. All over a piece of paper. Would she have also let him die over that piece of paper?
 
Bottom line, rules were not followed. No signature, call 911, don't let him collapse then lock the door. WTF!?! At least if ALL rules were followed it would at least look better for the school and nurse.
 
I was just baffled to read that he was 17, I mean come on he's clearly not a child.

But, legally, he is a child because he's not 18.

The guy's seventeen. I doubt he would have screwed up using it, or used it to get high. I never did that with my insulin at school, and they let me carry that around with me at school since I was like 14. Damn the proper procedure, she should have given it to him.

It's not about whether this kid is responsible with his inhaler or not. As stated before, this generation of kids is EXTREMELY DUMB with the type of things they're getting high on. The basic form of monitoring what drugs are entering the schools is this medical release form. And no, she shouldn't have given it to him because that then nullifies the entire point of the release form, thus no one will sign it because when the time comes, the nurse will just give it to you anyway.

Also, the article says that the administrators found the inhaler in his locker and took it from him. Don't you think that maybe they should have, at that point, contacted the parents to tell them they needed the permission slip? It's certainly not unreasonable for the parents to have assumed their son's paperwork was still on file from all the previous years he had dealt with this.

Right, they found it, I'm assuming last week, having not been used yet. And there is nothing in the article that states the administrators DIDN'T contact the mother. Just like it doesn't say the mother assumed the paperwork was valid from the last three years.

Oh wait, it does. It is absolutely unreasonable for the parents to have assumed the paperwork was still on file if they had to sign one each year.

Look, bottom line here is that the nurse stood by and let the boy ultimately pass out from his asthma attack. All over a piece of paper. Would she have also let him die over that piece of paper?

It doesn't say he had completely passed out. It says that the mother walked in as the kid started to collapse against the wall.


As I've said before, I know how bad asthma can be, but I also know how infrequent and relatively easy to pass through it can be. If the kid hasn't even opened the damned inhaler, is the nurse, who likely has been doing this longer than the kid has been alive, wrong to assume he'd be able to pass through it? She's a medically trained professional, just like those doctors who will make you wait 30 min to 4 hours (in the case of my girlfriend in a West Philly hospital) just to be examined.

To me, the most likely of scenarios is that she made a judgment call that the attack would pass if she kept the kid calm and breathing because she doesn't have the right to give him the medication. She closed the door for patient privacy. But things started to take a slide, but not to the point of asphyxiation, so that's when they contacted the mother when it took time to locate the inhaler. It seems to say the mother got there in the nick of time as the kid fell to floor.

The nurse did her job, and should not be reprimanded for it. But she will likely be ousted due to backlash over this incident from the parents who refuse to think rationally.

The real contention with this article is the rush-job writing. There's no clear indication of stream of events. The kid and mother says she was in a locked door with no indication of how the mother was contacted. Obviously, the nurse HAD to call someone, who then made a decision to call the mother over 911. And again, there's no indication of what happened when the school took the packaged inhaler. More importantly, no one bothered to ask why the slip wasn't signed in May of the kid's 4th year. Lousy reporting only backed by the mother and son hamming it. That animal on the side of the road comment has invalidated any claim she has.
 
If the nurse saw the kid having trouble breathing, she should've used her common sense & given him his inhaler, then this wouldn't be making headlines. :doh:
 
There is no other side of the story. The kid was having an asthma attack, the nurse refused him his asthma inhaler because the rules said he needed a note. In cases like that, you would hope a human being had the common sense to think "Oh it's against the rules, but this kid might die".
Of course there's another side to the story. Unless you just believe in believing what someone says. Which is absurd to me.

The school took it away from him. It's in the article.
Yea, at my school if anyone was on medication they had to leave it in the medical bay, and go there when it was time to take it.

I'm aware of that. My point is, if I have suffered bad asthma attacks, to hell with their rules. I'm keeping one with me.

At first, I just thought you were playing the Devil's advocate. Now, after you toss an insult at his mom, it just seems like you have your mind made up that this story is full of lies.

No, but I can listen to what she's saying, about how she's trying to compare what happened to her son with how she would stop to help a hurt animal in the road and see she's milking this.

Also, the article says that the administrators found the inhaler in his locker and took it from him. Don't you think that maybe they should have, at that point, contacted the parents to tell them they needed the permission slip? It's certainly not unreasonable for the parents to have assumed their son's paperwork was still on file from all the previous years he had dealt with this.

Who says they didn't try to contact the mom?

Look, bottom line here is that the nurse stood by and let the boy ultimately pass out from his asthma attack. All over a piece of paper. Would she have also let him die over that piece of paper?

No, the bottom line is that this is what the boy said.

Where is there any proof that he did, in fact, pass out? He says he closed his eyes.
Then there's a gap, and at some point, he didn't die. So what happened after this point?

Bottom line, rules were not followed. No signature, call 911, don't let him collapse then lock the door. WTF!?! At least if ALL rules were followed it would at least look better for the school and nurse.

Again. This is what the kid says happened. That doesn't make it true.

I haven't seen the school's rulebook, have you? I don't know what the nurse is actually supposed to look for. For all we know, if a student is having a mild asthma attack, maybe they're supposed to use their judgement. Seeing as ho, if its as simple as "If a student is having issues breathing, call 911", then you would have to call 911 everytime someone had the hiccups or choked on water or anything else.

To me, the most likely of scenarios is that she made a judgment call that the attack would pass if she kept the kid calm and breathing because she doesn't have the right to give him the medication. She closed the door for patient privacy. But things started to take a slide, but not to the point of asphyxiation, so that's when they contacted the mother when it took time to locate the inhaler. It seems to say the mother got there in the nick of time as the kid fell to floor.

That would seem reasonable.

It's also entirely possible the kid had a panic attack.

The real contention with this article is the rush-job writing. There's no clear indication of stream of events. The kid and mother says she was in a locked door with no indication of how the mother was contacted. Obviously, the nurse HAD to call someone, who then made a decision to call the mother over 911. And again, there's no indication of what happened when the school took the packaged inhaler. More importantly, no one bothered to ask why the slip wasn't signed in May of the kid's 4th year. Lousy reporting only backed by the mother and son hamming it. That animal on the side of the road comment has invalidated any claim she has.

Pretty much.
 
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As for the locked door, might the kid have just heard a metal clank of the door shutting? and who hasn't accidentally locked a door. Also, doors can be permanently locked to the outside if you don't adjust the tab, which if you're a nurse who has to lock the door every time you leave the room, adjusting the tab is the last thing on her mind when she shuts the door.
 
The fact that this happened in Florida says it all. What's up with Florida lately ? Something in the drinking water ?
 
Then he probably wouldn't have been alive to tell a story about the nurse locking him in the room and watching him die, and no one would ever have found out about this.
 
Bottom line, rules were not followed. No signature, call 911, don't let him collapse then lock the door. WTF!?! At least if ALL rules were followed it would at least look better for the school and nurse.
That's the kicker right there. if you're such a stickler for the rules, why would you not call 911 as is required?

If youre so afraid of breaking the rules and giving this kid his inhaler because it might cause you to lose your job, not calling 911 as the rules also state, and just watching him die is surely a far greater breach of the rules...and common sense in general.
 
All sides at fault here to some degree, providing the information in the article is accurate.
 

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