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Bought/Thought March 17th, 2010 SPOILERS

The first three panels are the exact same both art and context wise. It's showing you that it's the same event taking place, however it's showing you more of the event than was showin in 9, because if the dialog that happened at the end of 12 happened at the begining of 9, people would be like "wait what the hell who poked normans brain what's going on?"

Seriously, you're trying to find errors when there isn't any.

Wait, so the scene is the same despite the fact that Victoria is talking to Mr
. Secretary, tries to get Osborn, who doesn't respond, and so she makes an excuse for him and walks away. But then in the other scene she isn't talking to Mr. Secretary and is coming to talk to him about something else, he answers the door, they discuss some things, and then she leaves.

And add to that, she's wearing differant clothing in both scenes. One is a white shirt with a vest, the other has her in a jacket with a pink collar. From moment she enters to the moment she leaves, differant clothing.

They're differant scenes and you're altering and editing them to make the continuity issues go away. Why? Look at them at face value, how they're given. The only similarity is the artistic approach of Victoria's approach. Nothing else is even remotely similar?!

Siege 1 or it's events aren't even mentioned in 14, as they haven't happened yet. One of your big things your holding onto is because Norman told Ares in siege 1 to make a plan that he couldn't have told him anywhere else and because of that Siege 1 is set in stone somewhere. The dude had to come up with battle plans to siege Asgard. That'll take some time to think of.

Again, you're trying to find errors.

From Dark Avengers #14:

Norman - "Find out from Ares how the Asgard Planning sessions are going and get back to me"

Victoria - "Sir?"

Norman - "He's supposed to be putting together Asgard invasion scenerios for me to go over."

etc.

From Siege #1

Now, it's too much for me to quote but in the scene Ares first refuses to do the above stating he "would never do battle against the Asgardian Gods." And Osborn later convinces him to do this.

So how is he planning for the invasion of Asgard in Dark Avengers 14, which you claim takes place prior to Siege #1, when he refused to do it until Osborn convinces him otherwise, in Siege #1. So it HAS to take place after that scene in Siege #1.

I don't have to look for anything to be problemsome... it's all so blatantly obvious that I don't understand why you're even defending it.
 
Wait, so the scene is the same despite the fact that Victoria is talking to Mr
. Secretary, tries to get Osborn, who doesn't respond, and so she makes an excuse for him and walks away. But then in the other scene she isn't talking to Mr. Secretary and is coming to talk to him about something else, he answers the door, they discuss some things, and then she leaves.

Ever watch a show like LOST, or a show where someone leans in and tells a main character something that we don't hear, or when the main character goes off for a few minutes to talk to someone about something, then appears again, and it's not until much much later that we actually find out what was happening, or what was whispered in the ear, or what the main character went to go talk about? That's EXACTLY what's going on here. Could it be that it's two completely and totally different times that she went to get osborne and was completely surprised in the exact same fasion and manner both times when she was locked out? Sure, I guess. It's a **** of a lot more likely that Bendis didn't include part of the story in 9 so that he could later tell it in 12. You know, how just about every story goes. Builds suspense, adds to the mystery. It's storytelling 101.

And add to that, she's wearing differant clothing in both scenes. One is a white shirt with a vest, the other has her in a jacket with a pink collar. From moment she enters to the moment she leaves, differant clothing.

Splitting hairs. It's literally the EXACT same thing except the colors are SLIGHTLY lighter in issue 9 than they are in 12. And, with the large amount of coloring errors that happen in comics...well, let's just say that it's not like she was wearing a pants suit in one issue and a bikini in the other.

They're differant scenes and you're altering and editing them to make the continuity issues go away. Why? Look at them at face value, how they're given. The only similarity is the artistic approach of Victoria's approach. Nothing else is even remotely similar?!

If you think that an artist coping three panels exactly from three issues ago is just how the artists approached the page and not specifically something Bendis wanted, then I feel bad for you. It's incredibly obvious that it's supposed to all be the same interchange. You have Hand coming in talking to the Defense guy. Puts him on hold, goes to talk to Norman. He's busy, she insists, he opens, she gives him that dealy about how he needs to see a shrink, he kicks her out, she tells the defense guy he's out on a mission.


From Dark Avengers #14:

Norman - "Find out from Ares how the Asgard Planning sessions are going and get back to me"

Victoria - "Sir?"

Norman - "He's supposed to be putting together Asgard invasion scenerios for me to go over."

etc.


From Siege #1

Now, it's too much for me to quote but in the scene Ares first refuses to do the above stating he "would never do battle against the Asgardian Gods." And Osborn later convinces him to do this.

So how is he planning for the invasion of Asgard in Dark Avengers 14, which you claim takes place prior to Siege #1, when he refused to do it until Osborn convinces him otherwise, in Siege #1. So it HAS to take place after that scene in Siege #1.

I don't have to look for anything to be problemsome... it's all so blatantly obvious that I don't understand why you're even defending it.

DA 14 takes place literally DAYS before the actual SIEGE on Asgard. The events in the Siege series happen so fast and at such a high pace that it' easy to get confused, however not ALL of the events in Siege 1 happen in 1 day. Norman telling Ares to form a plan then attacking a few days later seems a hell of a lot better than Norman telling Ares to form a plan then attack mere hours later. There was some time (not much, a few days max) after Volstagg's incident and their Siege.

But, I'm done with you. You're clearly not going to budge on this, even if you're obviously in the wrong. I'm just gonna leave you with this - without all these big issues you're making up, or if the issues were perfect in continuity order would that have made the story better? And if it would have, then why let something so small (yet blown to gargantuan proportions) like that ruin the story for you?
 
No, that was the implication.
He was there when Herc died.

So were other Avengers like Hank Pym, U.S. Agent, and Quicksilver who actually knew Herc more. Two of them were on the cover, but not in the interiors.

I mean, Spider-Man was there when Hercules died, and he was too busy. :p

I just think it is because Wolverine's in everything. He, Deadpool, and Iron Man have been in competition for years for who can appear in the most books possible a month.

(I didn't mind the implication, just wanted to know I read it right.)
 
Ever watch a show like LOST, or a show where someone leans in and tells a main character something that we don't hear, or when the main character goes off for a few minutes to talk to someone about something, then appears again, and it's not until much much later that we actually find out what was happening, or what was whispered in the ear, or what the main character went to go talk about? That's EXACTLY what's going on here. Could it be that it's two completely and totally different times that she went to get osborne and was completely surprised in the exact same fasion and manner both times when she was locked out? Sure, I guess. It's a **** of a lot more likely that Bendis didn't include part of the story in 9 so that he could later tell it in 12. You know, how just about every story goes. Builds suspense, adds to the mystery. It's storytelling 101.

I know what you're talking about, I'm an avid Lost fan. Heck... I'm a writer with a couple comic shorts being published in a few months and I have a novel being considered for publication, but that form of storytelling isn't what you're refurring to. And if it is, Bendis has butchered the attempt. I mean, when someone (you) have to make up scenerios and connections between two scenes that have nothing to do with each other just to make it fit, something's wrong.


Splitting hairs. It's literally the EXACT same thing except the colors are SLIGHTLY lighter in issue 9 than they are in 12. And, with the large amount of coloring errors that happen in comics...well, let's just say that it's not like she was wearing a pants suit in one issue and a bikini in the other.

Something you can't explain away is obviously just splitting hairs... uh huh. :rolleyes:

If you think that an artist coping three panels exactly from three issues ago is just how the artists approached the page and not specifically something Bendis wanted, then I feel bad for you. It's incredibly obvious that it's supposed to all be the same interchange. You have Hand coming in talking to the Defense guy. Puts him on hold, goes to talk to Norman. He's busy, she insists, he opens, she gives him that dealy about how he needs to see a shrink, he kicks her out, she tells the defense guy he's out on a mission.

You have noticed that she's only talking to the defense guy in issue 9, but isn't in issue 12, right? That's the point of her visit. She's coming to him and tells him that the secretary of defense is on the line and that he needs to speak to Norman. She doesn't get an answer and she leaves making an excuse for him to Mr. Secretary.

In issue 12 she is NOT talking to anyone on the phone (in text, though she has her hand to her ear in the first panel). She comes and he opens the door and she wanted to talk about the Molecule Man issues. No mention of the Secretary of Defense. He isn't on the phone. He's not a factor.

And yet... they're the same scene? This is where you're throwing things in there and ignoring other things just to make it work. I really don't understand why, but hey, if you want to be adamant on being wrong... be my guest.

DA 14 takes place literally DAYS before the actual SIEGE on Asgard. The events in the Siege series happen so fast and at such a high pace that it' easy to get confused, however not ALL of the events in Siege 1 happen in 1 day. Norman telling Ares to form a plan then attacking a few days later seems a hell of a lot better than Norman telling Ares to form a plan then attack mere hours later. There was some time (not much, a few days max) after Volstagg's incident and their Siege.

Yes, that could work... save that at the time issue 9 or 12 came around, Asgard hadn't even come up. He didn't consider going after Asgard until after the Free Oneshot that had Loki telling him about it. Then he had the deal in The Siege: Cabal Oneshot. So you're telling me that the first few issues of Siege take place prior to both of those just so this theory of yours can fit?

If all this is true, then fine... but it makes Bendis a really crappy storyteller and lessons the value of the story just as I said. The fact that we actually have to sit here and argue over the order of the comics for it to make sense is sure sign of that.

But, I'm done with you. You're clearly not going to budge on this, even if you're obviously in the wrong.

I'm stating what the books state. You're making up things and taking away things to make your perspective make sense. Yet, I'm OBVIOUSLY in the wrong. You sniff paint, don't you?

I'm just gonna leave you with this - without all these big issues you're making up, or if the issues were perfect in continuity order would that have made the story better? And if it would have, then why let something so small (yet blown to gargantuan proportions) like that ruin the story for you?

Because I read books for the stories. When the stories are decimated with continuity issues, it takes away from the enjoyment of that story. I don't read things for arcs, I read the big picture. This isn't just an arc of Dark Avengers, it's just a part of the story of Dark Avengers, and when Bendis writes it so that there is no right direction for the book because everything contradicts everything else... how is it possible to enjoy that?

Hey, if you like crap... feel free to shovel it down your throat and call it steak, but I'll call it like it is. Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap.

And I still don't get why this is such a big deal for you? It's not possible that you actually believe what you say. It's just not possible for someone to be that niave.
 
Dread's Bought/Thought for 3/17/10 Part II:

MARVEL BOY: THE URANIAN #3:
The second bit of Jeff Parker material this week, and also related to the AGENTS. This mini has sought to flesh out Bob Grayson, one of the AGENTS as sometimes he gets lost in the series proper. Felix Ruiz does the artwork and I am not sure his sketchy style was the best for a 1950's sci fi story such as this. He would seem more at home in horror or some sort of urban noir tale. Val Staples does the color work and he does a lot to make the art work better and to keep all the tones appropriate. Ruiz's art isn't bad, I just am not convinced it was the most appropriate for the story, which is bad when I'm at the end and still unsure. At any rate, it covers some of the gaps in Grayson's origin as well as sets up that his bretheren back on Uranus are hardly as good intentioned as he or his father were, wanting to return to Earth and "evolve" them, whether the Earthlings want it or not. It was good seeing some of Bob's early adventures but I am not sure I know more about him as a character than I did before. It was good seeing him get a girlfriend in the past (before he seemed to get weird in the present), and the bit where he worked with his 50's comic book artists and writers was a fun twist. Still, I may have a hard time remembering details after a while.

The reprints of actual MARVEL BOY comics in the back are interesting as historical stuff. Parker does have a handle on Grayson's earnest genius hero demeanor, although Grayson is older and acts somewhat more refined in the present. There was one bit in a comic where Grayson goes on a long lecture to himself (and the reader) exposing the hypocrisy of Communists, which is interesting for the time. Nowadays, the only times when a comic story stops so a character can give a political lecture, it is usually to tell the reader how conservative viewpoints are always irredeemably evil. It is quaint to see when such things happened to warn us of the evils of communism. Beyond that, it's standard late Golden Age stuff. Not the silliest of stuff, but still a bit goofy by today's standards.

NOVA #35: This here is the ****. This week a lot of people will likely either like GOTG or HERCULES: FALL OF AN AVENGER better, and those are perfectly reasonable opinions because both thos books were also very good this week. But me? I went with NOVA, which was my Book Of The Week over at Examiner. Why? Because Nova is the frickin' man. Hercules is the man, and many of the Guardians are awesome. But Nova's like the Optimus Prime of space right now, which is as geeky a comparison as it gets. He's taken down Annihilus, and taken down Ego, and even Gladiator's Supergirl Lite cousin. Now, he flirts with taking down the greatest challenge he has ever faced -- Mark Millar. In the process, Abnett & Lanning have done a great job dusting off Nova's old 1970's nemesis the Sphinx (who last popped up during the Erik Larson series) and given him a great new design and made a worthy threat of him. The only reason REALM OF KINGS is involved is because the Fault is central to the story. Although, I suppose Sphinx is a "king" if you want to get technical. Considering he pre-dated Apocalypse by years, I thought it was a good thing to amp him up a bit. Mahmud Asrar, co-creator of Image's DYNAMO 5 has filled in for Andrea DiVito and I do like his work more than Kevin Sharpe. This issue shows some signs of rush at times but otherwise is very solid. Hanna and Hang do inks and colors and as usual knock it out of the park.

This is it, the finale to the whole arc. The Sphinx has utilized the nature of The Fault, where the rules of space and time do not apply, to fight his younger self to gain two Ka Stones, and each is a powerful enough artifact to influence reality. It all comes down to one hero tough enough to try to beat Sphinx before he's mastered the stones enough to basically unmake the rest of the "positive" universe outside the Fault. There is a bit of techno-babble exposition but it boils down to Sphinx specifically making an "impossible" world where he could achieve the impossible, and then he wants to master it so he can unmake the "possible" universe outside the Fault. One highlight is easily when Richard utilizes the full Nova Force and gushes about being able to hold off a god-blast. In a way, opening a stargate has been Richard's method of dispatching with quite a few threats lately, but it all comes down to pace, and I think Abnett, Lanning, and Asrar paced it all very well.

The best was yet to come, though. Sphinx's magical world comes crashing down, and everyone who was pulled through time starts to vanish, either back to their own period or possible non-existence. And that is when Richard apparently was too tempted from two issues back to let go of Namorita when he had the chance. I certainly didn't expect Nova to actually save Namorita, and Darkhawk even calls on how Richard likely pulled some space/time lever and something bad will come of it. But Richard decided it was worth that because Namorita deserved the same second chance at life as Norman Osborn, Colossus, Captain America, Magneto, Red Skull, Baron Zemo, and other figures have gotten. It actually opens up a lot of possibilities for next issue and the future. Will this be like Booster Gold wanting to save Ted Kord, and that one act unravels the entire time line? Will this version of Namorita act as if she is a parallel version from the past, and she'll still be "dead" on Earth unless Namorita chooses to take her counter-part's place? Or will this Namorita somehow gain all the knowledge from her counter-part in this time, including that she should be dead?

Granted, that would mean that Dwayne and Microbe (and Speedball's character) were the only New Warriors who stayed dead after Stamford, but I don't think the audience really wanted the New Warriors to all get blown to bits. And it wasn't as if Namorita wasn't dead for longer than Steve Rogers was. Why do A-Listers only get the "get out of death free" card? If she actually could return for real in NOVA, it would do a great deal to say that this book, as well as the space ones, matter. It certainly opens up a world of possibility. It might make Namora a bit happier; she's lost her cloned daughter and Hercules in a very short span of time. While there is a part of me that things this may be a Ted Kord like situation, where Richard will have to let Namorita go, but it certainly would be interesting if it wasn't, if the impossible bent a little for the good guys for once, rather than allowing some villain an upteenth excuse to cheat death for franchise reasons. The Breakworld decided that Colossus shouldn't die for completely horrible reasons; Rich is only acting out of love and regret, after all.

Opens up a world of possibilities that don't include death, which is why it is my top book of the week. That, and Nova kicks ass.

SIEGE #3: If you have never read a Bendis story before, this isn't so bad. Even if you have, it's not a below average issue or series so far to be honest. The problem is that it succumbs to Bendis' particular tics while also showing that he apparently didn't get the memo about him not having 6-9 issues to resolve this. He shouldn't need that many, but he has gotten used to dragging out the most mundane act to 6 issues. Now he has 4 (5 if you include THE CABAL one shot), and this issue it seems to be crunch time.

The whole "two people talk in narration boxes all important like while chaos fights in the panels" has been done by Bendis before in other events, and other stories. NEW AVENGERS, HOUSE OF M, SECRET INVASION. In fact, don't a lot of his stories devolve into "everyone is in a sea of combat, swinging at each other" with no pacing or purpose? SECRET WAR, HOUSE OF M, even SECRET INVASION. I swear he did a sequence very close to this in USM once. This time those talking are the President and one of his chief's, but it could have been Nick Fury and Maria Hill, or Hill and the President, or two SHIELD agents, or Moe and Curly. He obviously thinks these royal rumble battles are awesome, but they become hard to follow even without a sea of gibberish text clouding stuff. Brubaker can pull off battle pacing. Bendis can't, at least not for long. Ares fought Sentry for 7 pages last issue, but Thor barely gets 4 here. It is as if Bendis always knows where he is going, and always has an idea, his eternal dilemma is the how and why, the execution.

Last issue, the story demanded Thor escape Osborn, and that Maria Hill save him. Rather than use some bit of espionage or trickery, she just blasts in with a yokel and they drag him off. Just as this issue is basically, "everyone fights until Osborn loses", and next will be "everyone fights until Void loses, and probably at least one of them dies". The problem is it should not be so mind glaringly obvious. This is Marvel's #1 writer on their top selling event of the year and he can't telegraph drama any better than whoever writes those BK KIDS CLUB flyers at BURGER KING. He uses dialog or chaotic fight art to distract you from the sense that this sandwich has some expensive bread and an ocean of mayo, but absolutely no meat.

There is one moment where Taskmaster runs into Captain America and all I could think of was, "Wow, I can't wait to see Christos Gage make that into 5-10 pages in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE and make it awesome". I also imagined Gillen making Thor's fight with Sentry in THOR seem more epic. There is another moment where Osborn tells Rogers he is under arrest, and Rogers says he was about to say the same thing, and I thought...do EITHER of them have the authority to make an arrest? Rogers was pardoned in WHO WILL WIELD THE SHIELD #1, but that doesn't mean he is a cop or agent who can arrest people; if anything he told the President he was retired, unless the President drafted him (an offer you never would have heard Rogers say during the Bush years, but we're past that now). Technically Rogers has entered this situation rogue, leading around heroes who have blatantly ignored the SHRA or working with Nick Fury, who was considered an enemy. Osborn technically is the Sec. of Defense and can arrest people, but has been declared a rogue. So we have a vigilante who was pardoned for past vigilante action taking on a rogue agent. I'm probably over-thinking that moment, but that's when Bendis stories do. Without any good meat in there, I have no choice but to examine the bread and dressings. What else is there, the plate?

I can also see why JMS jumped ship to DC; I cannot imagine he was thrilled with the idea of his year and a half on THOR becoming meaningless for a spring event. Personally I didn't mind the angle of Asgard being over Oklahoma and I know destroying it is just there for an explosion. Still, again, a good writer would provide the Obligatory Cheap Explosion and not make it FEEL like an Obligatory Cheap Explosion. Bendis doesn't, and hasn't in a lot of his work for a long, long time. Maybe he relates to Sentry. A boss put him in charge of everything and he has no choice but to go loose, and damn the consequences. Joe Q knew Bendis' niche was urban pulp but has tasked Bendis to write everything from team comics to wedding invitations and Bendis isn't about to say no. Speaking of Sentry, has there ever been a more one-note Heel's Berserk Henchman in comics in a good long time than Sentry? He's basically Bebop (or Rocksteady) with the Power Cosmic and less dialog. Bendis fails to understand how EVERY READER WHO HAS EVER LIVED can predict where he is going, but he treats every mundane turn or no-brainer twist as some Agatha Christie masterstroke. And why the hell are the Hood and his gang of mobster villains there!? To provide fodder for the tie-in's? To rob Tigra of her deserved victory over Parker in A:TI? If anyone deserved to beat Hood like a rag doll and throw him in the clink, it was/is Tigra.

You also have to love how other heroes watching on TV smugly act as if it was so obvious that Osborn was a raging lunatic who never should have been put in so much power. Gee, if THEY saw that, how the **** does anyone think us readers have examined the situation for nine bloody months!? Having characters within a story acknowledge how ludicrous a certain twist is can work to deflect responsibility or blame to a point, but do it too often like Mark Millar, and it almost seems like a writer's subconscious screaming at them. Yes, Johnny Storm. The concept of a convicted serial killing terrorist who even personally executed reporters being drafted to be the Sec. of Defense without one reasonable explanation to do away with his prior convictions is literally more unbelievable than radioactive spider-bites. But who cares about the hows or whys, right? How many characters are complaining about seeing things coming? How do they think we feel?

Still, there are good moments. Oliver Coipel's art is good as always. The inks and colors are also good. It was good to see Norman Osborn get beat up a bit, for Iron Man to return, and even for Spider-Man to land the final punch at the end. I was actually pleased to see Thor not exactly get mopped around as if it was the Shocker (even if, for the guy who has faced down Surtur and the Midguard Serpent, he looked like he was pissing himself when Sentry got all Void on him). I suppose some may say, "well, Dread, if you read Bendis' other 2-3 books this week/month, it all makes sense", but why should it take 2-3 issues to cover what I have seen better writers handle well in a 10 page back up strip? Why does Bendis always get a pass because he is #1? If anything, that pedestal should raise the bar, and in my opinion he has rarely matched his pedigree. If you charge $200 for a steak and say you are a 5 star joint, it had damn well better be a ****ing great steak. You can't charge $4 for a $1 story and expect us not to be irked (technically the issue was 23 pages rather than the usual 22 - go "extra sized"). There are quite a few cool splash pages, though, and some people love that glossy paper.

There is an ad for X-MEN: SECOND COMING that is literally a one page banner for everything wrong with American comics. It proudly vows, "Many will Fall. Some will Die". Do they not realize they do this every year, and fans have gotten wise about it?

Also, if you made a drinking game every time someone says, "Oh, come on" like it was the most original line ever uttered, you'd be wasted before USM #50, much less this.

No, so far SIEGE isn't quite as terrible as HOUSE OF M or SECRET INVASION, but is this the measure of the greatest writer in comics right now? "His latest **** isn't as bad as his past ****?" That is talent? That is why countless rookie writers will never be close to the biz unless they drive themselves to poverty making indie's no one will ever read? To be dwarfed by a guy who can't even write a royal rumble properly? For every Lee O'Malley or Peter Laird there will be thousands who never get beyond flipping burgers trying to make it in the biz, and Bendis makes reaching the highest position in comics look like nothing but a joke. People sigh when a Bryne or a Claremont can't reach prior heights, and Bendis' best is so small compared to them. You usually need to be good for a decade before people will swallow you stinking up the joint for a decade. Bendis didn't have that.

SIEGE isn't bad. But if it truly is the worst selling "big event" of the last 5 years (at best it debuted at 130k), I can't say I feel much pity. Marvel and Bendis think SIEGE is the best story on the face of the globe, seven years in the making (even if 7 years ago was 2003 and Bendis was not on Avengers yet, but what do you expect of a company that cannot count to 600?), but the rest of us are just waiting for it to finish so we can move on to better stuff.

VENGEANCE OF THE MOON KNIGHT #6 Hurwitz and Opena finish their first arc of this Moon Knight relaunch, and it has outlasted books like DOCTOR VOODOO and SWORD, although with sales at 19k, it likely won't last past issue 10 or 12. At any rate, Moon Knight has his latest showdown with Bushman, who was resurrected by Hood. Things get very bloody but he manages to resist his own dark impulses, as well as the dark temptations of Khonshu. The Moon God is getting impatient that Spector now refuses to kill in his name. Specter thinks he has things under control for now, but of course the Profile goes digging for dirt, and all will not stay well. The next two issues will see Deadpool show up, because Marvel decided he was in too few books. Hardly even see the guy!

Opena's artwork has been a major draw for me here. Aside for one awkward moment the battle between Moon Knight and Bushman is well paced and exciting. It isn't anything Eisner worthy, but for what it is, it's solid stuff. Part of me thinks Moon Knight at this stage may be more fun on a team book than in a solo, but this has been a better volume than a lot of his last. I honestly think Marvel should have waited to relaunch Moon Knight if they wanted sales to improve (2-3 months wasn't enough), but I haven't regretted it so far.
 
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Well this thread became a pissing contest quick.

Hobbit despite claims that you are not a Bendis basher and just stating fact, you so avidly do so in a way that makes it seem like you are *****ing for the sake of *****ing. I read everyone's reviews here because I like to read what people think about these comics, but I'll admit I just skip yours now because you are talking about swearing off Marvel comics because of these HUGE continuity errors. They aren't, you only notice if you are anal rententive. Your bias is even more clear when you talk about Siege 3 being boring and really... it was totally fan-boy fare done right. Like sorry you feel that way, and by all means, drop all the comics. I only summerize this because in the way that you have reviewed the Bendis stuff, you've created an adversary in SouLess who, instead of just saying "think what you want, it works in my mind and most other peoples... you're biased'". he is going to the unnecessary effort of trying to prove you wrong... and it... just... keeps... going. You don't like it. You can't be convinced against the way you feel about it. Great, lets move on. Congrats on the novels and ****. Review comics. Go.
 
I don't buy many single issues anymore but I couldn't help myself with Green Horent:Year one.

It's fantastic.

Most people online have been making fun of the fact that DYNAMITE has about 6 Green Hortnet series coming out with Kevin Smith's version being the leader. Honestly Matt Wagner's should be the torch bearer. Not only is it better written, with better art, but it feels like the Green Hornet should be. It even feels like I'm watching an old seriel. If your turned off my Kevins version, please, ignore it, and purchase Matts. It doesn't derserve to be ignored because of Kevins fame at having comics come out late.

It's so good, I'm thinking about opening up a pull, just to make sure I don't miss an issue.
 
American Vampire #1. I mostly read Marvel stuff but since this had vamps and Stephen King was attached, I had to check it out. I was glad I did. The book is an ongoing but it is a combination of two stories -- the first about a woman who gets attacked by vamps and I assume will later become one. Before that actually happens, she keeps getting hit on my this grungy cowboy sorta dude. The second half shows that that cowboy dude is in fact a vamp (but not of the same group that attacked the girl however) and this second peice showed how he himself became a vamp almost 100 years earlier. I find it fun and interesting, no small part due to the fact that the cowboy dude fits my profile for an attractive Kurt Cogain sorta grunge sexy bad boy cute. I am curious to se how this all adds up. So far, I am enjoying the heck out of it. :D
 
There is another moment where Osborn tells Rogers he is under arrest, and Rogers says he was about to say the same thing, and I thought...do EITHER of them have the authority to make an arrest?

Also note... bendis did this exact set up in Secret Invasion between Osborn and Fury. :)

I suppose some may say, "well, Dread, if you read Bendis' other 2-3 books this week/month, it all makes sense."

Nope, it doesn't. Dark Avengers only makes it worse and New Avengers hasn't tied in yet (and also added to the continuity problems dealing with the look and setting of Cap learning about the Siege).

No, so far SIEGE isn't quite as terrible as HOUSE OF M or SECRET INVASION.

Correction... Siege is worse than House of M AND Secret Invasion. I actually liked both of those, Secret Invasion more than House of M, which had unfinished plots, such as Xavier's whereabouts.

Marvel and Bendis think SIEGE is the best story on the face of the globe, seven years in the making (even if 7 years ago was 2003 and Bendis was not on Avengers yet, but what do you expect of a company that cannot count to 600?), but the rest of us are just waiting for it to finish so we can move on to better stuff.

Heh, a friend and I have been doing the math in our heads trying to figure out how it's been seven years in the making and it just doesn't add up. We gave up and just laugh at how stupid it is.
 
Hobbit despite claims that you are not a Bendis basher and just stating fact, you so avidly do so in a way that makes it seem like you are *****ing for the sake of *****ing.

If you read every review you'll have seen that I've been defending Bendis for years. I've never called him the best writer in town but his stuff isn't nearly as bad as people claim... up until Dark Avengers, which by connection is degrading my enjoyment of Siege... which is a bit hollow in execution. That's not crapping for the sake of it. I haven't just been bellyaching nonsense, I state every single point in every single issue that has me upset. But I guess this is just one of those things like Dread was saying... people complain left and right but Bendis gets a pass for some reason. I don't get it.

I read everyone's reviews here because I like to read what people think about these comics, but I'll admit I just skip yours now because you are talking about swearing off Marvel comics because of these HUGE continuity errors.

I'm ticked off at Marvel for various reasons but I'm dropping books because I just can't afford all the books I buy every week and my wife's getting on me about it. I mean, spending somewhere around $150 a month on comics out of an average income family isn't exactly feesible.

Dropping the entire Avenger line is just because I have to pick one line because I can't personally get partial stories, I need them complete, so I need to drop a genre, not random issues. I've been an X-Men fan for 14 years or so, and the Cosmic line is the best line Marvel puts out. The Avengers are hit and miss for me and also have the most comics connected to them so they're the logical choice, even if I do enjoy them the majority of the time.

The horrible execution of Dark Avengers just has me fired up is all.

They aren't, you only notice if you are anal rententive.

Or if you have eyeballs to read with... don't forget those :)

Your bias is even more clear when you talk about Siege 3 being boring and really... it was totally fan-boy fare done right. Like sorry you feel that way, and by all means, drop all the comics. I only summerize this because in the way that you have reviewed the Bendis stuff, you've created an adversary in SouLess who, instead of just saying "think what you want, it works in my mind and most other peoples... you're biased'". he is going to the unnecessary effort of trying to prove you wrong... and it... just... keeps... going. You don't like it. You can't be convinced against the way you feel about it. Great, lets move on. Congrats on the novels and ****. Review comics. Go.

Whatever. I guess comics don't need to be written well or make sense or even say what they're supposed to say. When you have people who can just make up the story for you as you go along to make it all make sense and ignore all your problems... then you're golden :rolleyes:

Frankly, I don't care. I review comics, I state what I like about them and I state what I don't like about them. You got a problem with that then don't read them. Not like I care any.
 
Eh, on second thought I probably am being a bit more cranky today than I need to be, and it honestly has nothing to do with comics. So sorry to Souless and whoever else needs to hear it.

My wife and I miscarried a couple days ago and I've been a bit on edge since. Not that it's an excuse, but that's the deal. So sorry.

I'm still right about the continuity errors, but I could have handled it better, so my bad.
 
Also note... bendis did this exact set up in Secret Invasion between Osborn and Fury. :)

Toldja I'd seen it before. He's done that bit a few times. He repeats himself a lot.

JewishHobbit said:
Nope, it doesn't. Dark Avengers only makes it worse and New Avengers hasn't tied in yet (and also added to the continuity problems dealing with the look and setting of Cap learning about the Siege).

I see. I've never read DARK AVENGERS and I left NEW AVENGERS over a year and a half ago. Before issues were $3.99.

JewishHobbit said:
Correction... Siege is worse than House of M AND Secret Invasion. I actually liked both of those, Secret Invasion more than House of M, which had unfinished plots, such as Xavier's whereabouts.

HOUSE OF M took two issues to even begin, since the first two issues were mostly needless window dressing. Simply by only being 4-5 chapters, SIEGE is better. SECRET INVASION had it's moments, but it was also way too long and tried to cover up it's flaws by being confusing. I wouldn't go so far as to call SIEGE as WORSE than HOUSE OF M and SECRET INVASION, but that's my opinion of course. That said...at best, SIEGE is average. And I honestly think that alone is a failure. Bendis is their number one!

JewishHobbit said:
Heh, a friend and I have been doing the math in our heads trying to figure out how it's been seven years in the making and it just doesn't add up. We gave up and just laugh at how stupid it is.

If it matters, I don't think fans or retailers bought it. Sales for SIEGE #1 were listed as a little over 108k, but the issue was returnable so Diamond likely under-reported sales on it by about 5-20%. Sales for SIEGE #1 were roughly the same. Still, if SIEGE #1 sold 130,000 copies, that would still make it the lowest selling debut of a Big Two event mini in a long time. CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN #1 sold way better than that, as did FINAL CRISIS #1. On the plus side, Marvel is making all the right noises about giving the "one summer blockbuster event and a year's stories leading up to it" format a rest in 2010. The problem will be changing how they have "trained" retailers and fans.

Since 2005, both Marvel and DC have trained their fans to only pay attention to books that are "important". Naturally companies try to say every book is important, but fans know which are and which aren't, and flock to those. Being good doesn't matter, so long as it is "important". Then the economy tanked and spending power went down, while the price of many of these "important" books went up. Comic sales are still way up from 2000, but keep in mind in 2000, Marvel was just coming out of the red. And comics at most were $2.25.

I likely will enjoy some of the tie-in's for SIEGE more than SIEGE itself, which is nothing new. I also am waiting for HEROIC AGE to start. I can't wait to see how Ed Brubaker handles an Avengers team. With Iron Man, Black Widow, and Falcon often in issues of CA, some could argue he's almost written the Avengers already.
 
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The only time I've ever read Brubaker to where he's really caught my eye was Immortal Iron Fist. His Uncanny run was mediocre at best (with some good moments) and I've only read the first 12 or so issues of his Daredevil run (I'm getting caught up on that) and, while good, it pales in comparison to any single arc of Bendis's run.

So Brubaker going to an Avengers title isn't really anything special to me. But I'm more about characters than writers, so I'll see the lineup before I dismiss that one. Honestly, I'm more excited about Avengers Academy and New Avengers than Secret. And that's not really by much.
 
Just realized why I didn't see Nova this week. Apparently the shop got in copies of 30 Days of Night or something instead of the Novas they ordered, so they're getting the Novas next week.

Sucks :( I could have used a good read this week.
 
The only time I've ever read Brubaker to where he's really caught my eye was Immortal Iron Fist. His Uncanny run was mediocre at best (with some good moments) and I've only read the first 12 or so issues of his Daredevil run (I'm getting caught up on that) and, while good, it pales in comparison to any single arc of Bendis's run.

So Brubaker going to an Avengers title isn't really anything special to me. But I'm more about characters than writers, so I'll see the lineup before I dismiss that one. Honestly, I'm more excited about Avengers Academy and New Avengers than Secret. And that's not really by much.

Brubaker has been varying shades of awesome on CAPTAIN AMERICA for about five years and counting now. REBORN, even without being late was perhaps his worst work on the franchise, and even that, flawed as it was, was better than SIEGE has been thus far (yes, I'll go that far). Brubaker is hardly the first or last good writer who has struggled with writing the X-Men. Matt Fraction is having a rough time, too. The post M-Day format and the editorial board's insistence on shaking things up every year makes it hard for any writer to really do defining work.

I am kind of hoping Iron Fist makes it onto the SECRET AVENGERS. He'd certainly fit and I'd expect Brubaker to actually make use of him, unlike Bendis (where all Rand seemed to do was say 1-3 short lines an issue, provide hide outs and occasionally punch something).

In CAPTAIN AMERICA, Brubaker has had Iron Man, Black Widow, and Falcon appear fairly often, so in a way he's been able to write small Avengers teams here and there for a while. Heck, one issue way back with Union Jack and Spitfire may as well have been a lost Invaders issue.

Just realized why I didn't see Nova this week. Apparently the shop got in copies of 30 Days of Night or something instead of the Novas they ordered, so they're getting the Novas next week.

Sucks :( I could have used a good read this week.

Indeed. NOVA #35 was great, actually because of the optimistic twist. Hope you nab it soon.
 
Dread said:
There is another moment where Osborn tells Rogers he is under arrest, and Rogers says he was about to say the same thing, and I thought...do EITHER of them have the authority to make an arrest?

Citizens Arrest.
 
Now, he flirts with taking down the greatest challenge he has ever faced -- Mark Millar. .

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Well this thread became a pissing contest quick.

Hobbit despite claims that you are not a Bendis basher and just stating fact, you so avidly do so in a way that makes it seem like you are *****ing for the sake of *****ing. I read everyone's reviews here because I like to read what people think about these comics, but I'll admit I just skip yours now because you are talking about swearing off Marvel comics because of these HUGE continuity errors. They aren't, you only notice if you are anal rententive. Your bias is even more clear when you talk about Siege 3 being boring and really... it was totally fan-boy fare done right. Like sorry you feel that way, and by all means, drop all the comics. I only summerize this because in the way that you have reviewed the Bendis stuff, you've created an adversary in SouLess who, instead of just saying "think what you want, it works in my mind and most other peoples... you're biased'". he is going to the unnecessary effort of trying to prove you wrong... and it... just... keeps... going. You don't like it. You can't be convinced against the way you feel about it. Great, lets move on. Congrats on the novels and ****. Review comics. Go.

I can only assume Hobbes' correct opinions on ****** Bendis comics have driven you so mad that you had no choice but to send your child into the future so he could be trained by his formerly dead cousin to travel back to an alternate past to defeat your temporally displaced wife's archnemesis/clone.
 
DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK
IVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS
ROCKING MY PEERS AND KEEPING SUCKERS IN FEAR
MAKING THE TEARS RUN DOWN LIKE A MONSOOON
LISTEN TO THE BASS GO BOOM

Love that commercial.
 
Siege is actually pretty good. Of course, I don't believe that it is 7 years in the making, that simply does not make any sense.

I wish they got to the point about the Sentry sooner, and a proper scrap between the Sentry and Thor. Oh well.
 
I can only assume Hobbes' correct opinions on ****** Bendis comics have driven you so mad that you had no choice but to send your child into the future so he could be trained by his formerly dead cousin to travel back to an alternate past to defeat your temporally displaced wife's archnemesis/clone.

Funny thing is... I'm not even a Bendis hater. I've never complained (like this) before until last issue. So that's two issues, and apparently I'm Hitler. Dread's said much worse than me, and without layouts and examples :)

No biggie though, no need to stir the pot... until next issue anyway.
 
It might actually cool if I made you out to be Hitler. But alas, it just comes off as fanboy rant like Bendis himself peed in your cornflakes. Dread can rant like no one else but to the best of my knowledge he has never gone on about these "glaring continuity errors" like they are a reason to stop reading everything Avengers or whatever you put. Take it in stride dude.

And for the record fifthfiend, my wife's displaced clone is alive and well and currently the only way I'm able to get threebees. If ya know what I'm saying.
 
It might actually cool if I made you out to be Hitler. But alas, it just comes off as fanboy rant like Bendis himself peed in your cornflakes. Dread can rant like no one else but to the best of my knowledge he has never gone on about these "glaring continuity errors" like they are a reason to stop reading everything Avengers or whatever you put. Take it in stride dude.

The continuity errors are glaring and obvious. If you don't see them then you're pretending their not there. I don't get why. I've layed them out for you in detail above, feel free to read through them.

And I made the decision to attempt dropping the Avengers titles well before this arc even started. It's just helping push that decision for me.

And I've always found it funny that when a person gets upset about comics, even just once or twice after years of defending them, they're labled a fanboy. Honestly, if a person spend their money on something (that's overpriced in my opinion anyway)... is it so wrong to expect quality? Or at least minor continuity errors to be corrected.

Now, with the major continuity errors here that screw up where the title take place, Bendis messing up his own continuity in less than 3 months, editors not catching it and allowing it to go through, and now "fanboys" like Souless and AgentEnforcer claiming the errors aren't there at all (Poof! They're gone, see! You see nothing!)... yeah, excuse me for get annoyed.
 

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