Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[kane9321]

pakistan has some explaining to do,they were keeping bin laden safe

 

[steintym]

Oh boy ... Here it comes ... Legality?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Legally speaking, I think there are two issues... Whether or not it was legal by Pakistan law, and whether the killing was legal but the geneva convention etc (whatever laws would protect someone from being killed outright). Now, whether the breaking of those laws was necessary or not is a separate thing.

Also, my opinion on this whole issue has me a little muddled up myself. I had a really good chat with an American friend as well as my Uncle who's lived in NY for 25 years, and they raised some interesting points, so i'm not totally sure on where I stand. There's both a humanitarian side to me, where the killing of an unarmed Osama doesn't sit right with me, no matter how evil he was, and the realist side of me that sees it had to be done one way or the other. Now i'm just not sure which I feel is more right. To be honest, I think it's too big a thing to look at in black and white either way. You've got to recognise both the merits and the moral implications of this incident, I think.

Either way, I don't think we're going to know the full story until 6 months to a year from now, but either way it will come out. Better to worry about it then rather than now when we don't have all the facts and emotions are still stirred up.

 

[kane9321]

bin laden was an FN terroist period...I really dont give a flying F if he was armed or unarmed. This murdering bastard has killed so many people,this piece of crap had to be taken down point blank

much props to our president and to seal team six

 

[steintym]

Agreed - Glad they took him out. A trial would have been a joke and I can only imagine the number of situations that would have occurred while he was in custody. I'm happy this was resolved by the SEAL team.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

Is there any particular reason why you didn't refer to him as President Obama or Barack Obama?

isnt barack hussein obama his name? president barack hussein obama...am i right?

 

[Kelly]

The Geneva Convention is probably what the White House lawyers are looking at and getting their ducks in a row as we speak....

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I know it's a common Muslim name, but you've got to admit, it's pretty funny that he has both Hussein and a name that rhymes with Osama. That's such a perfect comedy gift it's too good to even make fun of. It does all the work itself.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens. It could very interesting times if it turns out they've broken the Geneva convention or something, because I think it would pretty much divide America down the middle. Some people wouldn't care under the circumstances and some would. Also, I suppose if it breaks the Geneva convention it becomes an international issue. It will be very interesting to see what unfolds over the next few months.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

I know it's a common Muslim name, but you've got to admit, it's pretty funny that he has both Hussein and a name that rhymes with Osama. That's such a perfect comedy gift it's too good to even make fun of. It does all the work itself.

well his father was a muslim. not a suprise that he got a muslim name...but i understand that for americans it's a bit strange..

 

[Kelly]

If only Middle Eastern countries take issue, and no European countries question anything....we will probably be fine. But, if European countries start questioning that that could be the problem...

If the UN (who has been decidedly quiet on this) says ANYTHING negative, I would pull our money immediately and tell them good luck without our huge portion of your budget.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It would be interesting to see how Australia acts. There has been a big social backlash to it in our media from vocal left wingers but the government has very firmly supported the US Government, so it has the potential to stir up trouble in OTHER countries too.

 

[Anita18]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens. It could very interesting times if it turns out they've broken the Geneva convention or something, because I think it would pretty much divide America down the middle. Some people wouldn't care under the circumstances and some would. Also, I suppose if it breaks the Geneva convention it becomes an international issue. It will be very interesting to see what unfolds over the next few months.

I dunno, I haven't seen much of the hubbub about OBL being unarmed, but then again I don't live in San Francisco. I'm all for peace and brotherly love, but as a realist, I also know that capturing him and having a trial would have been an utter cluster*****.

Eh, it is what it is.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Well it counts as several firsts for an American President. First with an Islamic name, non-Caucasion, etc.

Regardless of the 'legality' of the issue, I highly doubt anything will be raised over it. It's not as if many of the countries who support the Geneva Convention, will do much more than wag their collective finger at us. Most of them wanted him gone as well.

However, did the Geneva Conventions not cover the people who were burned to death, jumped to their deaths, or were crushed as millions of tons of concrete and steel fell on them? I mean if you forgo the Accords, should they apply to you as well?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Geez, all this controversy over whether OBL was armed or not. The SEALS did a good job, but haven't they heard about the "drop piece" trick? Obama must know about it: it's one of the oldest tricks in the dirty Chicago cop handbook.

 

[bullets]

Didn't Bin Laden have his arms stretched out.. clearly reaching for a gun if you ask me.

 

[Pink Ranger]

"He's coming right at us!" BLAM!

 

[Kelly]

They said that the two guns in the room were within reach of where he was standing...they did what they needed to do.

 

[Victarion]

Why does it matter whether or not Bin Laden was reaching for a gun, or assuming a threatening stance? He's dead, and BAWing isn't going to do anything.

People and their moral highhorses.

PS: Pics too graphic to be released is a bit suspect, just because there's ****ons of graphic and disturbing stuff to befound on the internets.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Whether a trial would have been a cluster**** or not isn't the issue though, theres a system and a way of doing things and going outside of that could mean trouble. Whether it's justified or not doesn't matter if it comes down to legality. Could still mean trouble. It's all well and good to say "That's just left wing talk" etc, but if it comes down to the law, it won't matter.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Who gives a damn if he had a gun, knife, fly swatter in his hand, the MFer got what he deserved.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, he may well have, but that doesn't change the law. I'm not saying whether or not the law would be justified in this instance, but if it turned out it was illegal and they let it slide without due process THAT would be an international incident.

 

[Yurka]

It really doesnt matter at all if he were reaching for a gun. The SEALS had authority of the situation so they acted accordingly, if they felt like he was being a potential threat, and took him down, there should be no repercussions. Im just worried they captured him, and executed him. But that most likely will never be released.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I think that's the key Yurka. That's probably what it will come down to. I can't see the Seal team themselves being in trouble.

But like I said, I think this will be more of an issue further down the track, when the full, clear story comes out. Now, there are way too many conflicting reports.

 

[Pink Ranger]

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