Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[Anita18]

Why does it matter whether or not Bin Laden was reaching for a gun, or assuming a threatening stance? He's dead, and BAWing isn't going to do anything.

People and their moral highhorses.

PS: Pics too graphic to be released is a bit suspect, just because there's ****ons of graphic and disturbing stuff to befound on the internets.

Yeah, but there's a HUGE difference on whether a graphic photo is on the internet, or whether its release is officially sanctioned by a government.

Whether a trial would have been a cluster**** or not isn't the issue though, theres a system and a way of doing things and going outside of that could mean trouble. Whether it's justified or not doesn't matter if it comes down to legality. Could still mean trouble. It's all well and good to say "That's just left wing talk" etc, but if it comes down to the law, it won't matter.

Yeah, but I'm not really sure how they could prove anything. Someone on the team was wearing a cam, but we don't know who and whether they got everything on tape. And yeah right it's ever gonna be unclassified. OBL is already buried, his body is lost. So you'd have to do all that forensic stuff from photographs. Either that or go by the word of the SEALs who did it. I don't really see how we could definitively prove anything.

I do think it's fine that people are raising this though. The US has always allowed this kind of dissent, and I think letting it continue makes us who we are.

 

[Yurka]

Yeah, I think that's the key Yurka. That's probably what it will come down to. I can't see the Seal team themselves being in trouble.

But like I said, I think this will be more of an issue further down the track, when the full, clear story comes out. Now, there are way too many conflicting reports.

Yea, we probably wont know much about the true story for quite a while. I've stated before that I think he was executed and the reason they dont want to release the photos is because the "massive" hole he has in his forehead is an exit wound.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yea, we probably wont know much about the true story for quite a while. I've stated before that I think he was executed and the reason they dont want to release the photos is because the "massive" hole he has in his forehead is an exit wound.

This seems like a reasonable conspiracy theory, but it falls down when Panetta goes on TV and says that a photo will definitely be released. I don't think the CIA would be pushing for the photos to be released if they felt it was an execution.

 

[nouan]

So the firefight was over in minutes. I bet Osama was just walking towards them dumbstruck and they pulled him to his knees and executed him with a bullet through the back of the head. Massive damage in front of the head, picture unreleaseble. Osama's last words must've been some a small praise to Allah.

 

[Anita18]

Yea, we probably wont know much about the true story for quite a while. I've stated before that I think he was executed and the reason they dont want to release the photos is because the "massive" hole he has in his forehead is an exit wound.

Would the SEALs really take the time to capture OBL, get him to face the wall and all that execution stuff, especially with people still alive in the compound AND Pakistani fighter jets coming to intercept them? I don't think they would chance that.

 

[nouan]

Would the SEALs really take the time to capture OBL, get him to face the wall and all that execution stuff, especially with people still alive in the compound AND Pakistani fighter jets coming to intercept them? I don't think they would chance that.

They spent 38 minutes in there.

 

[Paroxysm]

Would the SEALs really take the time to capture OBL, get him to face the wall and all that execution stuff, especially with people still alive in the compound AND Pakistani fighter jets coming to intercept them? I don't think they would chance that.

Source?

 

[Anita18]

They spent 38 minutes in there.

They had two other floors below OBL's room to clear, it isn't like they rappelled down onto the roof and busted in the windows right where OBL was. (Were there any windows, even?) The functioning helicopter landed outside the compound, the helicopter that stalled was forced to land inside in the yard.

Supposedly OBL was shot within the last 5-10 minutes of the raid, and presumably they had to have some time to collect all the computers and blow up the helicopter that malfunctioned. I dunno, I haven't been keeping up with all of the new info besides the one were OBL was probably not armed when the room got busted into.

Source?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/world/asia/03intel.html

By that point, though, the Pakistani military was scrambling forces in response to the incursion into Pakistani territory. “They had no idea about who might have been on there,” Mr. Brennan said. “Thankfully, there was no engagement with Pakistani forces.”

The SEALs might not have known that the Pakistani military were coming, but the fact that we kinda bashed in there without permission, they had to have known it was a guarantee.

 

[Paradoxium]

This has been making the rounds.

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/05/05/obama-turns-his-back-911-family-member

 

[nouan]

They had two other floors below OBL's room to clear, it isn't like they rappelled down onto the roof and busted in the windows right where OBL was. (Were there any windows, even?) The functioning helicopter landed outside the compound, the helicopter that stalled was forced to land inside in the yard.

Supposedly OBL was shot within the last 5-10 minutes of the raid, and presumably they had to have some time to collect all the computers and blow up the helicopter that malfunctioned. I dunno, I haven't been keeping up with all of the new info besides the one were OBL was probably not armed when the room got busted into.

There was 24 of them Seals and new reports say that only one of the couriers shot at them as they approached the compound, and the only gunfire after that first short firefight was only coming from navy SEALs, as they shot the other guys and Osama.

 

[roach]

So the firefight was over in minutes. I bet Osama was just walking towards them dumbstruck and they pulled him to his knees and executed him with a bullet through the back of the head. Massive damage in front of the head, picture unreleaseble. Osama's last words must've been some a small praise to Allah.

back at it again huh

 

[Paradoxium]

Osama was watching Smallville, the SEALs bust in and catch him watching Smallville. Embarrassed, he throws his wife at the TV and he shoots himself in the head. The SEALs look at each other perplexed and says... "uuuh Geronimo?"

Hence the multiple stories. Who wants to admit after a decade and a trillion, it was Smallville that killed Osama t:

 

[nouan]

back at it again huh

Well there's been some new news so...

 

[roach]

Osama was watching Smallville, the SEALs bust in and catch him watching Smallville. Embarrassed, he throws his wife at the TV and he shoots himself in the head. The SEALs look at each other perplexed and says... "uuuh Geronimo?"

Hence the multiple stories. Who wants to admit after a decade and a trillion, it was Smallville that killed Osama t:

I watched an episode of Smallville and was begging to have a SEAL team put a bullet in my head

 

[Calvin]

This has been making the rounds.

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/05/05/obama-turns-his-back-911-family-member

That sounds like what I would do. He gave her a straight answer, that he can't tell the attorney general not to do that, and she seemed to keep pressing him to do it. What a b**ch for trying to make such a petty political statement during a 9/11 memorial type of thing.

Anyway, thought this was a neat read for some that might be mixed up on a few of the details the news has been throwing around with a lot of misinformation.

Debunking 4 Myths Around Bin Laden Killing: Torture, Cowering, CIA, and Pakistan's involvement

 

[Yurka]

This seems like a reasonable conspiracy theory, but it falls down when Panetta goes on TV and says that a photo will definitely be released. I don't think the CIA would be pushing for the photos to be released if they felt it was an execution.

Youre saying hypothetically when Panetta says a photo will be released? I have a feeling we wont be seeing a picture released through the government any time soon,but a leak is very possible. Panetta seems like the straightest shooter (heh) in this whole situation, I hope at some point he'll try to clear up some of the hazy conclusions people have come to.

Would the SEALs really take the time to capture OBL, get him to face the wall and all that execution stuff, especially with people still alive in the compound AND Pakistani fighter jets coming to intercept them? I don't think they would chance that.

No, but I do think much of the almost 40 minutes was spent getting to UBL, then possibly a handful of minutes spent in his room. These men were the best of the best, it seems they had the situation completely at hand from minute 1, I find it hard to believe they went in to his room and shot him without speaking to him. While it's been confirmed that this was a kill mission, I can't imagine a team of 20+ seals felt threatened enough from UBL to shoot him on sight without initially trying to speak to him.

 

[nouan]

I watched an episode of Smallville and was begging to have a SEAL team put a bullet in my head

I've had that too, actually.

 

[Matt]

More and more credible sources are picking up in the contradictory nature of U.S. statements involving Bin Laden. Obama really needs to grab this story by the horns, hold a conference, address the attack and give an official, coherrent story. Otherwise what should have been his greatest accomplishment will quickly become a huge embarrassment to his administration.

 

[Calvin]

I can't imagine a team of 20+ seals felt threatened enough from UBL to shoot him on sight without initially trying to speak to him.

I sure as hell would even if I had 40 men with me. All it takes is a grenade or a suicide vest or something. Hell, even if you were worried about him having a gun, I wouldn't want to risk a single one of my men getting killed by him. If they gave his chance to surrender even a half second of judgement, that's probably a 100 times longer than they needed to.

 

[Paradoxium]

Jay Carney is already playing dodgeball and avoiding questions about Osama.

 

[Calvin]

More and more credible sources are picking up in the contradictory nature of U.S. statements involving Bin Laden. Obama really needs to grab this story by the horns, hold a conference, address the attack and give an official, coherrent story. Otherwise what should have been his greatest accomplishment will quickly become a huge embarrassment to his administration.

Other than this board, and maybe Fox news, I'm not really seeing any sentiment of people doubting the administration. I think your sample size might be a bit small.

 

[Anita18]

There was 24 of them Seals and new reports say that only one of the couriers shot at them as they approached the compound, and the only gunfire after that first short firefight was only coming from navy SEALs, as they shot the other guys and Osama.

I'm pretty sure not all 24 of them would come storming into one room. They didn't even know for sure whether OBL was there, so it would have been in their best interests to keep civilian casualties to a minimum.

No, but I do think much of the almost 40 minutes was spent getting to UBL, then possibly a handful of minutes spent in his room. These men were the best of the best, it seems they had the situation completely at hand from minute 1, I find it hard to believe they went in to his room and shot him without speaking to him. While it's been confirmed that this was a kill mission, I can't imagine a team of 20+ seals felt threatened enough from UBL to shoot him on sight without initially trying to speak to him.

They probably yelled for him to put his hands up (or show some other form of surrender) and when he didn't, they shot him. I don't see how that would have taken long.

More and more credible sources are picking up in the contradictory nature of U.S. statements involving Bin Laden. Obama really needs to grab this story by the horns, hold a conference, address the attack and give an official, coherrent story. Otherwise what should have been his greatest accomplishment will quickly become a huge embarrassment to his administration.

Eh, I think everything's still up in the air at this point. The people who would know for sure would keep their traps shut because this is classified, so the people blabbing to the press are getting either bad info or hearsay. I'm not sure if this is truly the huge story that it is, but then again I haven't watched the news in days.

 

[nouan]

Other than this board, and maybe Fox news, I'm not really seeing any sentiment of people doubting the administration. I think your sample size might be a bit small.

I think many people here in europe and in middle-east are doubting. We even had these changing stories pointed out in the news.

 

[LOBO3315a]

So the firefight was over in minutes. I bet Osama was just walking towards them dumbstruck and they pulled him to his knees and executed him with a bullet through the back of the head. Massive damage in front of the head, picture unreleaseble. Osama's last words must've been some a small praise to Allah.

I bet that when they broke into his room, he threw his wife at them, in a vain attempt to confuse the SEALs and to give him an opportunity to turn and reach one of the two firearms in the room. When she was shot in the leg, and went down his back was turned and couldn't see his ploy was unsuccessful. When ordered to cease and desist, he continued towards the weapon, thinking his ploy of throwing his unarmed wife at them had worked, misinterpreting her cries of pain, as cries of anger. The Navy SEAL shot him in the back of the head as he reached the weapon, causing massive damage in front of the head, picture unreleasable. His last words were probably some sort of garbled sounds that made no sense to anyone.

 

[roach]

I think many people here in europe and in middle-east are doubting. We even had these changing stories pointed out in the news.

i hate to be one of these Americans who say foreigners dont matter on this subject....but they dont.