Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[Calvin]

Wow, Yoshimura's a jackass. When it comes to arguing over Obama, he's like an anti-Matt.

 

[Paradoxium]

White House seeks to scotch bin Laden questions

The White House on Thursday sought to sidestep controversy over the exact circumstances of the raid to kill Osama bin Laden, highlighting instead a "flawlessly" executed and dangerous mission. Officials have declined to give any further details of the raid against the Al-Qaeda leader, after being forced to amend earlier accounts of what exactly happened when Navy SEALS stole deep into Pakistan in a covert action on Sunday.

White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters on Air Force One that the operation was still being evaluated, but said that after transparently offering details of what happened, Washington was no longer offering public accounts.

-- yahoo news

 

[Paroxysm]

Talk about overly dramatic.

Not really, it's frustrating dealing with ignorant people.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Everytime I pop into this thread, it just seems to be degrading. Aren't we all capable of civilised discussion here? Not that it's getting overtly hostile, but it's such an intensely negative vibe.

This is a political thread, obviously open to all sides of politics, but some people have clearly given the impression their intentions are to just either go on about how glad they are that Osama got shot in the head or try to antagonise anyone feeling celebratory over the fact.

I know this comment will be dismissed by a lot of people, but it'd just be nice if we could have an objective discussion. Everytime I check in here, there's either someone being uber defensive over America, bordering on hostility, or someone baiting Americans.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Did somebody really call President Obama a terrorist? Whoever said that, well to be blunt, your a ****ing idiot.

 

[Paradoxium]

Al Qaeda Considered 9/11 Anniversary Attack

"As of February 2010, al-Qa'ida was allegedly contemplating conducting an operation against trains at an unspecified location in the United States on the 10th anniversary of September 11, 2001... As one option, al-Qa'ida was looking into trying to tip a train by tampering with the rails so that the train would fall off the track at either a valley or a bridge. "

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Yeah Al Qaeda just won't learn until we kill every single high ranking member and show them, you **** with us and you will be destroyed.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Cool



Nevertheless, he and any other President fits the definition of a terrorist, because that's their nature.

Peace

Can somebody ban this guy? I think he's crossed the line.

 

[roach]

Not really, it's frustrating dealing with ignorant people.

how am I ignorant?
Our discussion started about freedoms he said I lost by reading it on the internet...yet I told him it just wasnt true based on my experiences as an american.
He tried to tell me my info of Iraq and Afghanistan was based on the tv and and internet and I corrected him by telling him how many tours I have done in both countries.
The point I was making is that experience trumps tv and internet. I have never been to outer space so can my reading about it out trump an astronauts experience who has been there?

 

[Yurka]

I dont think he'd not kill is wife and kids if it met he could kill more americans

He must likely would, but I would think it would make him hesitate at least for a moment and that hesitation could lead to the SEALS non-fatally taking him down.

Are you ****ting me? You don't think Osama would commit suicide to take a bunch of americans down with him if he were cornered? That like... the whole basis of what their terrorism is!

Oh I know he would, but add a large group of his children into the mix as well as his wife, I dont think he would be as quick to pull the pin, thats my point.


Again, I'm all for killing Bin Laden, and I would piss on his body if it were on solid ground, but something about his demise strikes me as suspicious.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah Al Qaeda just won't learn until we kill every single high ranking member and show them, you **** with us and you will be destroyed eventually

Fixed.

Can somebody ban this guy? I think he's crossed the line.

I think you are being entirely too defensive. I'm not defending what he said, but it's a political thread. Obama's a politician. People are going to say dumb things about politicians. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be in the thread. People saying extreme things to try and prove a point that is probably also ludicrous? That IS politics.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, I hate to do anything that resembles defending Osama, but just assuming he wouldn't hesitate to kill his wife and kids because he's a terrorist and ALL he wants to do is kill Americans? He's still a human being, capable of basic emotions like fear, survival and quite possibly love. To assume he isn't is just, well, ignorant. He may well have been a monster in that way too, but to just assume it? Sheesh.

 

[roach]

Also, I hate to do anything that resembles defending Osama, but just assuming he wouldn't hesitate to kill his wife and kids because he's a terrorist and ALL he wants to do is kill Americans? He's still a human being, capable of basic emotions like fear, survival and quite possibly love. To assume he isn't is just, well, ignorant. He may well have been a monster in that way too, but to just assume it? Sheesh.

its also the same way the government thought when they briefed the SEALs that he might have a suicide vest on.
These people dont think they way you and I think. They believe they will instantly go to heaven for killing infidels with themselves. Him blowing up the house and sending his loved ones to heaven quickly and killing americans would seem like a win-win.

 

[roach]

I think you are being entirely too defensive. I'm not defending what he said, but it's a political thread. Obama's a politician. People are going to say dumb things about politicians. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be in the thread. People saying extreme things to try and prove a point that is probably also ludicrous? That IS politics.

but its kind of hard to have an intelligent discussion like you crave when people say stupid things.

 

[roach]

He must likely would, but I would think it would make him hesitate at least for a moment and that hesitation could lead to the SEALS non-fatally taking him down.


Oh I know he would, but add a large group of his children into the mix as well as his wife, I dont think he would be as quick to pull the pin, thats my point.


Again, I'm all for killing Bin Laden, and I would piss on his body if it were on solid ground, but something about his demise strikes me as suspicious.

You are assuming he hesitated and not made a move for a weapon like was briefed...you are making up situations to prove your way of thinking

 

[redfirebird2008]

UPDATE: PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL MEET WITH BIN LADEN RAID SPECIAL FORCES MEMBERS ON FRIDAY
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/05/bin.laden.main/index.html?hpt=T2

This should not have been made public IMHO.

 

[Anita18]

I see what you're saying, I just think you're blowing it way out of proportion due to your need to criticize. It seems pretty natural to me (and most others) that the 24 Hour news cycle can tend to create a lot of inconsistencies while details are slowly trickling in (as more official briefings were conducted, such as the actual SEALS, of course details are going to become more clear), every news station wants to be on top of the story, so they grab at every little tidbit and try to fill in the gaps, claiming they know the story. It's fun having 24 hour news, but this is one of the downsides.

Yah seriously. The inaccuracy of still-pending events is always pretty rampant. TDKR news anyone?

Not really, it's frustrating dealing with ignorant people.

At some point you just gotta laugh at the absurdity. It's how I stay sane.

Are presidents open to using methods of violence or fear to achieve their agenda? Yes, to a point, but to lump Obama and OBL into the same mold is just ludicrous.

Again, I'm all for killing Bin Laden, and I would piss on his body if it were on solid ground, but something about his demise strikes me as suspicious.

I think the most suspicious part is that the US just barged into Pakistan without any warning. Talk about awkward.

 

[Calvin]

Also, I hate to do anything that resembles defending Osama, but just assuming he wouldn't hesitate to kill his wife and kids because he's a terrorist and ALL he wants to do is kill Americans? He's still a human being, capable of basic emotions like fear, survival and quite possibly love. To assume he isn't is just, well, ignorant. He may well have been a monster in that way too, but to just assume it? Sheesh.

I hesitate to call him a human, but even as a human I think what you're missing is that the guy had a very very very warped idea of what his religion was dictating. When people are vehement about their religion, they would totally sacrifice their kids, wife, and selves. And it sounded like most of his kids were out of the room anyway.

I seem to recall people sacrificing their kids in the bible for gods bidding, you don't think Osama would do the same as a crazy religious fanatic?

 

[roach]

I think the most suspicious part is that the US just barged into Pakistan without any warning. Talk about awkward.

i think this is rather telling on what we think of Pakistan's intell section...as was mentioned either they were really stupid in letting him hide in plain sight or really incompetant that they didnt know he was there

 

[LOBO3315a]

I think you are being entirely too defensive. I'm not defending what he said, but it's a political thread. Obama's a politician. People are going to say dumb things about politicians. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be in the thread. People saying extreme things to try and prove a point that is probably also ludicrous? That IS politics.

So if I claim the Queen Mum was a raving lunatic ****e, I shouldn't expect any Brits that happen to read it on here to call for me to be banned? As long as I'm making a point? I'll make a note of that.

Intelligent discourse is somewhat lacking in the past few pages. Next thing you know, people will be calling for Obama's impeachment and/or for him to be tried as a war criminal....

 

[Yurka]

You are assuming he hesitated and not made a move for a weapon like was briefed...you are making up situations to prove your way of thinking

No, not at all. In my initial post on this point I stated that a highly trained group of SEALS could probably have taken him down without fatally wounding him, however they were warned of UBL possibly having a suicide vest or some type of weaponry on him so they took him down at the first sign of opposition. My point was when they entered the room and saw a large group of children, I believe UBL wouldn't have been as quick to kill everyone in the room and could have given even a fraction of a second to be non-fatally taken down. Instead, they chose to fatally wound him, as per orders.

I think the most suspicious part is that the US just barged into Pakistan without any warning. Talk about awkward.

I'm actually all for that. Who knows what would have happened if we alerted Pakistan beforehand.

 

[Alex The Great]

Cool



Nevertheless, he and any other President fits the definition of a terrorist, because that's their nature.

Peace

 

[Calvin]

Yah seriously. The inaccuracy of still-pending events is always pretty rampant. TDKR news anyone?


At some point you just gotta laugh at the absurdity. It's how I stay sane.

Are presidents open to using methods of violence or fear to achieve their agenda? Yes, to a point, but to lump Obama and OBL into the same mold is just ludicrous.


I think the most suspicious part is that the US just barged into Pakistan without any warning. Talk about awkward.

Judging by Pakistan's seemingly shameful reaction, I'd say it's been more awkward on their part than ours.

 

[roach]

I hesitate to call him a human, but even as a human I think what you're missing is that the guy had a very very very warped idea of what his religion was dictating. When people are vehement about their religion, they would totally sacrifice their kids, wife, and selves. And it sounded like most of his kids were out of the room anyway.

I seem to recall people sacrificing their kids in the bible for gods bidding, you don't think Osama would do the same as a crazy religious fanatic?

I never question the lengths religious fanatics would go...I remember Jim Jones and David Koresh...people who do things in the name of god rarely show restraint

 

[Calvin]

No, not at all. In my initial post on this point I stated that a highly trained group of SEALS could probably have taken him down without fatally wounding him, however they were warned of UBL possibly having a suicide vest or some type of weaponry on him so they took him down at the first sign of opposition. My point was when they entered the room and saw a large group of children, I believe UBL wouldn't have been as quick to kill everyone in the room and could have given even a fraction of a second to be non-fatally taken down. Instead, they chose to fatally wound him, as was per orders.

I'd actually be even more afraid of an attack with a room full of kids than if I found him alone. If I opened the door and saw a couple kids run out, and a wife run at me, I gotta be thinking he's using that as a distraction to maybe pull a gun on me while I'm trying not to hurt the kids.