Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 4

[samsnee]

UPDATE: US TO HAVE ACCESS TO BIN LADEN'S WIVES?
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/09/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html?hpt=T2

Eh, who wants sloppy seconds?

 

[enterthemadness]

There's just no way they couldn't have known. They could probably see the damn compound from the base!

Or if you believe what people in Pakistan say or what InFo Wars says...he was never there. Tech, the body has been dumped out to sea...and the only 'video' or photos' are at the White House and will never be released. So who knows. The only thing certain is he was either dead for years or the US actually got him in Pakistan.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Absolutely fascinating article from the Times about contingency planning for "worst case scenarios" for Operation Neptune's Spear. This discusses how the SEALS planned to fight off Pakistani forces (and rescue potential POWs) if Pakistani army engaged them during the operation. Really a must-read if you're into this kinda stuff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/world/asia/10intel.html?_r=2&hp

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

The words of Joker in TDK come to mind, about the soldiers that get killed and no one gives a damn, but when a mayor or some other dick from an authority group gets murdered, everyone loses their mind lol

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

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[papie]

[YT]JzD-rnmeiH8[/YT]

What a piece of crap he is.

Firstly, he doesn't recognize 4 innocent people died to get one guilty guy.
Secondly, if you pay respect to Islam without it obstructing your mission you are being considerate to the innocent and that is only respectable.
Thirdly, the fact that he wants his body put on display shows he is more barbaric than OBL.
Fourthly, it is only logical that you do not warn the country you are invading. They (Pakistan) have every right to decline the operation. The fact that Obama wanted to shoot down interfering Pakistanian soldiers shows that he would risk the most dangerous war in US history for one old man who hasn't done anything since 9/11.

Do I mind that OBL was shot? No, I don't even care if they executed him after capture.
What I do mind is that people don't recognize this is a ridiculous act.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

What a piece of crap he is.

Firstly, he doesn't recognize 4 innocent people died to get one guilty guy.

The four armed men (including the courier who delivered OBL's terror-tapes) living in Osama's compound were innocent? Lollercoaster.

Secondly, if you pay respect to Islam without it obstructing your mission you are being considerate to the innocent and that is only respectable.

Yes. Osama was very respectful towards the 87 Muslims who died on 9/11 when those jetliners rammed into the World Trade Center. They sure got a proper Muslim burial.

Thirdly, the fact that he wants his body put on display shows he is more barbaric than OBL.

That Youtube guy killed thousands of civilians? Oh wait. He didn't kill anyone. He just stated a kinda dumb view on Youtube, like a million idiots with Youtube channels. Moral equivalence fallacy fail.

Fourthly,

"Fourthly"?

it is only logical that you do not warn the country you are invading. They (Pakistan) have every right to decline the operation. The fact that Obama wanted to shoot down interfering Pakistanian soldiers shows that he would risk the most dangerous war in US history for one old man who hasn't done anything since 9/11.

"One old man who hasn't done anything since 9/11"? Is that why they found a treasure trove of intelligence in OBL's compound showing he was still very much involved in ordering and plotting attacks and was "much more than just a figurehead."

The only thing Obama risked was a political failure that would have irreversibly damaged his reputation and re-election. A big risk to take, but he knew the reward in taking out Osama Bin Laden, a man who murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11, was worth it.

But congrats on sounding like an Osama Bin Laden apologist. Good to see he still has fans.

 

[papie]

The four armed men (including the courier who delivered OBL's terror-tapes) living in Osama's compound were innocent? Lollercoaster.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906279/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden
4 unarmed men were shot.

Yes. Osama was very respectful towards the 87 Muslims who died on 9/11 when those jetliners rammed into the World Trade Center. They sure got a proper Muslim burial.

I'm not saying Osama was respectful, he was a terrible person. Does that give Americans a reason to be disrespectful against a religion?

That Youtube guy killed thousands of civilians? Oh wait. He didn't kill anyone. He just stated a kinda dumb view on Youtube, like a million idiots with Youtube channels. Moral equivalence fallacy fail.

Barbaric =/= morality.
I would gladly trade one barbaric death to save 3000. Putting a fire axe up someones ass is just ridiculous.

"Fourthly"?

Whoops, spell checker failed me there. I'm Dutch.

"One old man who hasn't done anything since 9/11"? Is that why they found a treasure trove of intelligence in OBL's compound showing he was still very much involved in ordering and plotting attacks and was "much more than just a figurehead."

The only thing Obama risked was a political failure that would have irreversibly damaged his reputation and re-election. A big risk to take, but he knew the reward in taking out Osama Bin Laden, a man who murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11, was worth it.

But congrats on sounding like an Osama Bin Laden apologist. Good to see he still has fans.

The executive command is based out of Yemen.

And Obama did not only risk political failure but war with Pakistan, a country with nukes. Believe me, it would be worst war in US history.

And I am not an Osama Bin Laden apologist but thank you for offending me. Name me an enemy and I shall be an enemy.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906279/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden
4 unarmed men were shot.

The SEALs were shot at. They returned fire. I'm not shedding any tears for the people giving safe harbor to Osama Bin Laden, thank you.

I'm not saying Osama was respectful, he was a terrible person. Does that give Americans a reason to be disrespectful against a religion?

We were more respectful than that bastard deserved.

Barbaric =/= morality.
I would gladly trade one barbaric death to save 3000. Putting a fire axe up someones ass is just ridiculous.

I didn't even watch that Youtube video. I immediately gravitated towards your reply, and that comment in particular, because I hate hyperbolic crap like that. And I don't buy your hasty explanation either. You said the Youtuber was more barbaric than OBL and that to me was obviously flawed and ridiculous enough to comment on.

The executive command is based out of Yemen.

Al Qaeda on the Pakistan/Afghanistan mountains and 'Al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula (Yemen)' are actually two separate entities. So that's not true.

And Obama did not only risk political failure but war with Pakistan, a country with nukes. Believe me, it would be worst war in US history.

No, it wouldn't. Read this article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal

Pakistan wouldn't dare start a war with us. We're its sugar-daddy.

And I am not an Osama Bin Laden apologist but thank you for offending me. Name me an enemy and I shall be an enemy.

That was wrong of me and I apologize. I'm in a bad mood.

But you have to understand why Americans, and New Yorkers in particular, would be thrilled about this guy's death and get so pissed when they see people questioning whether it was necessary and warranted.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I'm Dutch.

I think that probably explains your whole post.

 

[papie]

Believe me, I think it's fantastic that he's dead.
Even as a dutchmen I know terrorism even if we've never had an attack on more than one person.
the attack carried out by obama and the SEAL was tremendously succesfull but they did kill innocent people (I don't regard harbouring a terrorist as innocent but not as evil either). Also,this operation had a huge risk of escalating and ruining everything Obama had done to fix what Bush had done to enrage the middle east.
Not recognizing this is being blind and stupid.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Believe me, I think it's fantastic that he's dead.
Even as a dutchmen I know terrorism even if we've never had an attack on more than one person.
the attack carried out by obama and the SEAL was tremendously succesfull but they did kill innocent people (I don't regard harbouring a terrorist as innocent but not as evil either). Also,this operation had a huge risk of escalating and ruining everything Obama had done to fix what Bush had done to enrage the middle east.
Not recognizing this is being blind and stupid.

Harboring a terrorist makes them guilty right alongside Bin Laden. Besides, two of these guys were not only harboring him but engaging in terrorist activities themselves. They were his couriers, meaning they would send messages from him to other members of Al Qaeda and they would also send audio/video propaganda to the media.

 

[papie]

Harboring a terrorist makes them guilty right alongside Bin Laden. Besides, two of these guys were not only harboring him but engaging in terrorist activities themselves. They were his couriers, meaning they would send messages from him to other members of Al Qaeda and they would also send audio/video propaganda to the media.

Yeah, those guys didn't deserve to die if they hadn't killed anybody.

Thing is, I think it is good how Obama handled it. Just the right amount of respect.
No need for more, no need for less.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah, those guys didn't deserve to die if they hadn't killed anybody.

For all you know their courier activity had a direct impact on the 7/7/2005 attack in London, or for that matter, any number of fatal Al Qaeda attacks in the 6 years that Bin Laden was living at that compound.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Eva Braun didn't deserve to die. She was Hitler's innocent wife.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

bin laden has cost the us taxpayer more than 1 billion dollars....

 

[redfirebird2008]

bin laden has cost the us taxpayer more than 1 trillion dollars....

fify.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

bin laden has cost the us taxpayer more than 1 billion dollars....

So basically a Saturday night with Charlie Sheen.

 

[papie]

For all you know their courier activity had a direct impact on the 7/7/2005 attack in London, or for that matter, any number of fatal Al Qaeda attacks in the 6 years that Bin Laden was living at that compound.

Allright, so suspicion is justification for getting killed?

 

[redfirebird2008]

Allright, so suspicion is justification for getting killed?

What do you mean suspicion? They know for a fact that his couriers were sending messages from him to the outside world. They also know for a fact that he was still involved in Al Qaeda operations.

 

[chaseter]

HAHA. I loved Chris Wallace's interview the other day with Donilon where he asked how shooting an unarmed Osama was justified but enhanced interrogation is not. Basically we can shoot unarmed people in the faces but we can't shock their nipples?

 

[chaseter]

Eva Braun didn't deserve to die. She was Hitler's innocent wife.

But that dog of theirs was such an evil ****

 

[papie]

What do you mean suspicion? They know for a fact that his couriers were sending messages from him to the outside world. They also know for a fact that he was still involved in Al Qaeda operations.

But you do not know for a fact that they relayed any info that lead to the death of anyone

 

[Kelly]

Being a member of Al Quaeda? Yes, they deserved what they got....

You lie with dogs you get fleas....

You lie with Osama you get killed....

Pretty simple.

 

[redfirebird2008]

But you do not know for a fact that they relayed any info that lead to the death of anyone

Let's connect the dots, shall we?

1. Bin Laden was still an operational leader of Al Qaeda.
2. Two couriers were his only contact with the outside world.
3. Al Qaeda committed plenty of fatal attacks in the last 6 years.